Skip to comments.Murtha’s Mangled Medal Stories
Posted on 01/17/2006 8:32:14 PM PST by Calpernia
Since November, the media have carried around Rep. John Murtha around on their shoulders like a conquering hero for his opposition to the war in Iraq. Theyve thrown around the words war hero like clowns throwing candy at a parade. Murtha was broadcast far and wide attacking Vice President Cheney for his five deferments from Vietnam, suggesting these chicken hawks dont like any suggestions about how to fight a war.
If Murtha were a Republican accusing a Democrat like this, we know what would happen. The so-called nonpartisan, objective, mainstream media would either (a) totally ignore him as an irrelevant, obscure House wacko, or (b) investigate his own military record to see if he earned all the war hero talk. And if discrepancies were found, all hell would break loose. And if you dont believe me, just ask John ONeill and the Swift Boat Vets for Truth, who underwent first (a) and then (b) when they challenged John Kerry.
But Murtha is a Democrat accusing a Republican. So it fell to the Cybercast News Service, (CNSNews.com, which I founded), and reporters Marc Morano and Randy Hall to look into the Murtha military record. What they found were a lot of similarities to the military record of John Kerry.
Like Kerry, Murthas medals came for surface wounds that never caused his evacuation from the battlefield, and like Kerry, he attempted to get his medals by political manipulation, in Murthas case, through then-Rep. John Saylor. But Saylors office felt it was odd for Murtha to seek medals for superficial lacerations.
Murtha also told differing stories about when and where he was wounded in action. A Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story reported in 2002 that Murtha had facial lacerations. In 1994, the Uniontown (Pa.) Herald-Standard quoted Murtha saying he was wounded in the arm for one medal and my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down for the other. Then, Morano and Hall uncovered a June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown (Pa.) Tribune-Democrat quoting from a letter from Murtha to his wife describing his injuries as being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."
Since there were so many similarities to Kerry including the fact that author Morano was also one of the first reporters on the Swift Boat Veterans story the left predictably threw an ugly fit. It was not long, then, for Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne to load his air-rifle for rhetorical battle. I underestimated the viciousness of the right wing, he began.
Even before he gets started, we know where hes going, dont we?. Liberals want to insist when they tout a war hero making their anti-liberation of Iraq talking points, its 100 percent beyond the pale of decency to investigate him. They want the world to know that when a war hero acceptable to them disagrees with President Bush, everyone must stop, shut up, and listen like an old E.F. Hutton commercial.
Dionne sounds just like his hero Bill Clinton as he proclaims to be maddened by the unblushing hypocrisy of the right wing and the way it circulates...personal vilification to abort honest political debate. As if that werent enough, theres also this: Moreover, the right has demonstrated that its attitude toward military service is entirely opportunistic.
Now here is where we should all acknowledge our partisanship I oppose the Clintons and the Kerrys, and Dionne favors them. But can Dionne honestly state that the left wing (and objective smearers like CBS) have not resorted to personal vilification on the military record of George W. Bush? Can he honestly ignore that the left has vilified the World War II military service of Bob Dole in 1996 (Robert Ellis in The Nation) and George H. W. Bush in 1992 (Sidney Blumenthal in the New Republic)?
More importantly, how dare anyone on the left accuse any conservative of attitudinal opportunism where military service is involved. Military service didnt matter a bit to them when Bill Clinton was running, but was vitally important when Kerry was their man in 2004. They felt George W. Bushs National Guard record was a scandal in 2000, but also didnt want the media poring over Al Gores Vietnam service as a journalist. Four years later, there they were again, poring over Bushs Vietnam-era service record.
Its fair to state that on some investigative stories, only conservatives want the tough, thorough report, and on others, only liberals are really jazzed about it. But what about the public interest? A media revering the words objective, nonpartisan, and mainstream would investigate both Republicans and Democrats when politicians start dragging out their war records.
Good post, C.
They never did tell us what made Max Cleland a "War Hero" either. No medals, but played up the handicap and the uniform as if he threw himself on a grenade to save Bob Hope. No one is to question anything about them, ever again.
I agree. Like Kerry, Murtha has made a big political issue out of his Vietnam service. He should sign his form 180 and release his military records. If he were a Republican, the media would be screaming their heads off demanding that he make his records public.
How anyone could vilify Bob Dole over his military service is beyond me. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about his war record:
In 1942, Dole joined the Army's Enlisted Reserve Corps to fight in World War II. He became a second lieutenant in the Army's 10th Mountain Division.
In April of 1943, while Dole was fighting the German Wehrmacht in the hills of Northern Italy, he was hit by Nazi machine gun fire in his upper right back. His right arm was also injured so badly that it was unrecognizable. He had to wait nine long hours on the Italian battlefield before he was finally taken to the Fifteenth Evacuation Hospital. He was eventually transferred to a U.S. Army hospital in Michigan, where he would begin his recovery, and survive all the serious injuries and operations. The extensive wounds in his right arm though rendered his right arm completely paralyzed. Today, Dole often carries a pen in the hand of his paralyzed right arm.
Dole was twice decorated for heroic achievement, receiving two Purple Hearts for his injuries, and the Bronze Star Medal for his attempt to assist a downed radio man.
Leftists are contemptible.
There are war heros and there are heros in everyday, ordinary life. As far as I'm concerned I've never held in higher esteem a man who acted bravely in combat to save a fellow soldier than a man who ran into a burning house to rescue his neighbor's child. Both are heroic. But for that matter, woman who endures years of physical abuse at the hands of her husband just to preserve a family life for her children, or a man who endures a brutal ten year attack from his alcoholic ex-wife to protect his children from her insanity, are every bit as 'heroic' as anyone else.
That said, to me the greatest heros are the men and women who suffer, sacrifice and endure great pain for the benefit of others, without ever telling anyone about it or seeking recognition for it. THAT is a true hero. People like John Murtha and John Kerry are self-inflated phonies of the worst kind. They far more resemble two piles of dog poop sitting in the park drawing flies with their foul odor than heros.
My eyes were sooooooo heavy, and they popped right open when I saw this.
Bookmarking for the morning.
"They never did tell us what made Max Cleland a "War Hero" either."
The skinny on Cleland is that he and a buddy were relaxing in their camp and went to get a beer. Cleland or the other guy dropped a grenade which had been attached to his person, thus making the grenade live. Hello grenade, goodbye limbs. No medals for carelessness.
Of course, Cleland does't feel its necessary to relate all those tedious facts, easier to just keep quiet while the hero worship arrives.
Has this alleged "hero" filled out his form 180?
I wonder how many of murtha's purple hearts are dated concurrent with his SENATE term, rather than his MILITARY service term?
He's another RAT fraud, but a lot of people keep saying "Don't reveal the truth about his war record, because it makes us look mean". Screw that, he's a liar.
That's why you should ignore Wikapedia. Dole was woulded in 1945. You're off by 2 years.
I wonder how much murtha's war record has changed in the last 30 years.
I believe that once a serviceman becomes a US senator, his military records are subject to becoming "military fantasies."
Murthas Mangled Medal Stories
"Murtha also told differing stories about when and where he was wounded in action. A Pittsburgh Post-Gazette story reported in 2002 that Murtha had facial lacerations. In 1994, the Uniontown (Pa.) Herald-Standard quoted Murtha saying he was wounded in the arm for one medal and my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down for the other. Then, Morano and Hall uncovered a June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown (Pa.) Tribune-Democrat quoting from a letter from Murtha to his wife describing his injuries as being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."
I have a question,who is in charge of Purple Hearts.My Dad had one.
Each branch of the service handles their own.
And you should hear them bitch about how Bob Dole was never court martialed for his failure to salute after getting the Purple Hearts, too.
[quickly ducks flames]
Seeing that I'm very proud of a full head of hair at almost 60, I'm loathe to shave it. Besides, any man who claims medals for superficial wounds after seeing badly wounded,true American Heroes is a p*ssy and coward in my book. Maybe someday I'll tell you what I really think of them and not hold back.
If Murtha was such a war hero and all that, why didn't the rats consider nominating him for higher office than the house? Why wasn't he considered for VP over Algore or as Algore's running mate?
No one ever heard of him before the left found out how he hates the thought of our troops winning a war.
My husband who fought in Korea had two 2 inch scars that were 1/4 inch wide. He had no purple hearts, and he would never tell me how he got them, unlike other boyhood scars he did talk about. He suffered for many years from PTSD. Not all scars show unfortunately.
As to Murtha, Kerry, Cleland, Dole, etc., I don't know what is the truth of their situations. We do know they were in a warzone. Pres. Bush and VP Cheany were not. Their choice.
More about this here:
You sound like someone that would have been all for the American Freedom Memorial
I don't know or question the validity of Murtha's purple hearts or war record. He has used it for years to further his political career. I believe that any politician using his military service to actively do that should open that record for public scrutiny.
He reminds me of John McCain.
<< John Murtha and John Kerry .... far more resemble two piles of dog poop sitting in the park drawing flies with their foul odor than ..... >>
Didn't want the word "heroes" in the same sentence as "Murtha" and "Kerry."
The "military records" of both are overwhelmingly more the products of treasonous "Democrat" politics than they are in any way related to reality and/or connected to the military.
His own sedition, subversion and treason-related less-than-honorable-discharge record politically sanitized by the traitor, Jimmy-Bubbah Carter, Kerry's "Vietnam 'service' record" was an even more delusionally fantasized work of fiction than was that of the world's most dangerous dullard, the bible-school failure and way-too-typical functionally-illiterate "journalist," Al-Fredo Gore-leone.
And Murtha's much-vaunted "37 years of service" and "rank of colonel" turns out to have been a couple of years of doing what he was told followed by 35 years in the reserves spent essentially pursuing the machinations and fabricating the elements that came together in the entirely political creation of his present legend-in-his-own-play-lunch-time war-hero status.
Meanwhile, except when he is busy treasonously, mindlessly and bitterly critiquing his superiors, suborning dissent, and treasonously giving aid and comfort to our enemies -- and while even the corrupt, criminal-alien-"elected" racist-bigot, Loretta "Sanchez" Brixey and the idiot savant racist-bigot, Cynthia McKinney, sit on the house's Armed Services Committee -- the "Democrat" potty's genius military strategist "Lt Col" Murtha's, big bum but burnishes the back-bench.
I read recently that Murtha, like Kerry, had requested these medals about 10 years later, after having been refused them by a commanding officer at the time.
>>>> want the word "heroes" in the same sentence as "Murtha" and "Kerry."
I don't want the word "heroes" in the same sentence as "Murtha" and "Kerry" either. But did you see the rest of post 9 or did you get tripped up on this sentence?
Not only is Murtha and Kerry being called heroes; but entrapped cowardess and personal struggle is being compared to Noble actions.
Here you go:
Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
>>>World War II Navy veteran Harry M. Fox, previously indicated that Murtha in 1968 personally asked Fox's boss, then-U.S. Rep. John Saylor (R-Pa.), for assistance in obtaining the Purple Hearts, but was turned down because Saylor's office determined that Murtha lacked sufficient evidence of wounds. Murtha later challenged Saylor for his House seat in 1968 and lost. Fox said he personally viewed Murtha's military records in 1968 as Saylor's aide.<<<<
Looks like those guys who dodged Vietnam were the smart ones. No war record to question = no problem.
WHAT? Are you nuts?? Enduring abuse at the hands of ANYONE is NOT peserving ANY kind of "family life" -- that notion is absolutly ridiculous!! And to say that a man (or woman) who is putting their life on the line for MY freedom is "no more heroic" than someone who stands around letting someone abuse them, that just makes NO sense at all!!
Pres. Bush still served.
Here is a token of my appreciation
Thanks for that source, Cal. I knew that I had read it somewhere...just got the part of its being a commanding officer that refused him the medals....It was Kerry who was refused by a commanding officer.
Oooooh!! Nice token!! LOL
>>>>Looks like those guys who dodged Vietnam were the smart ones.
I wouldn't call dodging smart though.
Now THAT I would compare to the battered woman example in post 9.
Cleland or the other guy dropped a grenade which had been attached to his person, thus making the grenade live.
Another good example for the battered woman comparison in post 9.
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