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GOING NATIVE IN AMERICA - The Benefits of Becoming Indian
DER SPIEGEL (German magazine) ^ | ---- January 16, 2006 | Jörg Blech

Posted on 01/18/2006 5:43:33 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge

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To: pepperdog
There were a huge number (in excess of 20,000) people who applied for enrollment as Cherokees at the time the Dawes Rolls were created who were REJECTED.

That didn't mean they weren't Indians ~ just that they were not Cherokee.

101 posted on 01/18/2006 5:11:13 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: girlangler
I remember reading and interesting theory about the Irish origins of the Melungeon.
This theory was claiming that they are a racial remnant of the original inhabitants of Ireland. In other words pre-Celtic.
102 posted on 01/18/2006 5:31:35 PM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: girlangler
I remember reading and interesting theory about the Irish origins of the Melungeon.
This theory was claiming that they are a racial remnant of the original inhabitants of Ireland. In other words pre-Celtic.
103 posted on 01/18/2006 5:32:01 PM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: Reily

I read several newspaper articles about a book published in the 1990s, written by someone up in this area, that supposedly tied, with the help of DNA,the Melungeons to early middle eastern explorers. Very interesting story, the Melungeons.

Can't remember the title or author, but I'd bet the East Tennessee State University library could locate it, and most of what has been written about them.

The Melungeons are in one small pocket up here at the Tennessee/Kentucky/Virginia borders. Their history has been all but wiped out because the vital statistics records in the past had no way of identifying their race, and they were recorded as Indian, black American, etc.


104 posted on 01/18/2006 5:46:05 PM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: Reily
The Melungeon are a complex mix of folks. One recent study revealed they have a gene-marker typical of a group of folks found only in Pakistan. That group, in turn, is descended from black African slaves brought there before America was discovered.

My own personal theory is that the Melungeons are descendants of men held as POWs at the Spanish POW camp in what is now South Carolina back in the 1500s. For the most part, the POWs were Eastern Orthodox, or Hindu, or anything but Moslem. I think the Spanish regularly tossed Islamic prisoners overboard.

At the same time there'd been a regular traffic of folks leaving Europe for America and winding up out in the woods in Virginia, etc. One estimate I ran across had about 20,000 such people running around what is now Maryland when Jamestown was founded. What were those folks doing and just where did they come from?

Compounding the problem of figuring out who and what the Melungeons were, there was a really serious drought on the East Coast from about 1575 to 1610. Simultaneously the Indian settlements at Angel Mounds, Cahokia and Terre Haute broke up, and you had all sorts of Indians traveling East, West, North and South, creating all sorts of mayhem and disruption. The Cherokee, who'd been West of the Mississippi, somehow ended up in the Appalachians. The "Eastern Cheyenne" were created. The Sioux obtained the horse and a whole new culture was created ~ but this time one that used what are clearly Sheng Dynasty Chinese characters as the basis for their sign language ~ which probably demonstrates that more than one Chinese cook on a Spanish ship checked out in South Carolina and ran as far as he could to escape those people.

America in the immediate post-Columbus period was exciting and disastrous. No doubt the Melungeon people came into being in those days.

105 posted on 01/18/2006 5:49:44 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It is entirely possible he was scammed.


106 posted on 01/18/2006 6:27:14 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: peyton randolph

A papoose isn't a baby it's divice made of wood and cloth to carry a baby.

You know exactly nothing about Natives and your attempt at a joke isn't funny in fact it's quite pathetic.


107 posted on 01/18/2006 6:33:53 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
A papoose isn't a baby it's divice made of wood and cloth to carry a baby.

You're delusional...and the word is spelled "device."

108 posted on 01/18/2006 6:38:38 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph
Actually you are right. A papoose board is a device. The papoose is a baby.

But that doesn't make me delusional, merely careless.

BTW be careful with you're spelling in the future. I'll be watching.

I hate the spelling police.
109 posted on 01/18/2006 6:56:08 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
But that doesn't make me delusional, merely careless.

And apparently lacking a sense of humor.

I hate the spelling police.

I guess I won't be invited to your next party.

110 posted on 01/18/2006 7:11:51 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph

Sure you're invited to the next party. LOL

Just don't climb onto my case if my grammar fails me.


111 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:17 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Sure you're invited to the next party. LOL

Okay. I'll RSVP. Just hire someone else to tell the jokes. I'll leave it to the professionals. :-)

112 posted on 01/18/2006 7:39:46 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph

You're harsh behond measure.

I admetted my mistake and went so so far as to point out my mistake.

And I still get kicked in the balls.

Be a graceful winner why doncha


113 posted on 01/18/2006 7:46:28 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever
Be a graceful winner why doncha

I was trying to be polite and let you pick the comedian...since my efforts apparently flopped.

114 posted on 01/18/2006 8:02:40 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
[S]ome ... Americans are really strange people.

I did I did. That was the reason that I wrote "some".

115 posted on 01/18/2006 11:08:50 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Allegedly, we'll get an F-22 this year.

WOW!

116 posted on 01/18/2006 11:11:31 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: antceecee
Some of my siblings, myself, my nieces, nephews etc... have some Native American physical features, including some who have the skin coloring.

I have a photo of my grandmother, and she has very definite Native American features, such as high cheekbones. Most of us grandkids inherited it to a degree.

117 posted on 01/19/2006 9:21:40 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Probably a flyover only, alas.

It's a huge airshow, though, and we routinely get the B-1, B-2, etc.


118 posted on 01/19/2006 9:47:51 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: girlangler
Re: post 53: She believes Indians never killed animals, and were just SOOO attuned with nature. So, I showed her a lot of pictures of Indians herding entire herds of buffalo over cliffs, etc. I also provided her research showing Indians generally didn't respect women's rights, and explained to her Indians didn't buy faux fur from a department store.

Buffalo jumps(sometimes called pushkins) were used by several tribes to facilitate the killing of buffalo.

It's amazing how the revisionist history of some recent historians/folks concerning American Indians has developed.

Increasingly, observations and research are attacked because they were/are made by non-Indians. As an example, non-indians such as Lewis & Clark, etc made observations of American Indians. Indeed, Lewis made some of the first observations of the Clatsops, Chinooks, Nez Perce, and Shoshone. A good historian and researcher needs to be able to discern between what is reported as observation and the commentary made in regards to that observation. It also would be helpful if more historians made use of oral histories which are central to many tribes.

Revisionists are trying to remark American Indians into all being paragons of upstanding virtue, but that is off the mark, as is painting all American Indians as bloodthirsty savages. Some tribes did scalp, practice cannibalism, abortion, fratricide, slavery, etc - most did not. And the same can be said for many non-Indian societies - then and now.

Educators such as Deven Mihesuah, etc have made a point of writing about the negative stereotypes of Indians - and then themselves try to re-make the image of Indians with the use of stereotypes. Attempts to question them on these issues can sometimes lead to the fallback position of "I'm an Indian, you're not, so you're not capable of performing a fair and balanced study of issues pertaining to American Indians".

The American history in the 1800's and 1900's was as wrong to portray Indians as wild savages, as is a growing number of folks are wrong to portray Indians as being without faults until the white man arrived.

119 posted on 01/21/2006 8:12:05 AM PST by Fury
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To: Fury

Oops. Just noted that Deven Mihesuah should be *Devon* Mihesuah.


120 posted on 01/21/2006 1:45:04 PM PST by Fury
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