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A Swift-Moving Story (Murtha Alert)
WashPost ^ | 1/18/06 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 01/18/2006 7:25:19 AM PST by pissant

Is Jack Murtha being unfairly Swift-boated?

The left side of the commentariat is up in arms about my piece on a conservative Web site raising questions about the congressman's two Purple Hearts.

Here's the report by the Cybercast News Service: Check it out and reach your own conclusions.

Look, anyone can dig into a congressman's record, and Cybercast (which is part of Brent Bozell's conservative media criticism group) quoted people on the record, dug up a bunch of clips and gave the Pennsylvania Democrat a chance to respond. Editor in Chief David Thibault told me that Murtha had placed himself in the crossfire by becoming a leading voice for a U.S. pullout in Iraq.

What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq? In the case of John Kerry, you could argue that the Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account -- was challenging the biography of a presidential candidate who had put his Vietnam heroism at the center of his campaign. But what is Jack Murtha running for, other than reelection in his district?

Of course, politics ain't beanbag, and Murtha, as a 37-year Marine vet, must be accustomed to hostile fire. The Purple issue, in fact, has come up in some of his past campaigns. But now it's getting national play -- and sparking a liberal backlash.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; iraq; kurtz; loser; murtha; murthamedals
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Damn straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


61 posted on 01/18/2006 11:17:51 AM PST by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible)
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To: pissant

I just have a simple question. Real simple. Easy for Murtha to clear up.

"On Friday, Jan. 13, Murtha's congressional communications director provided Cybercast News Service with a copy of a letter from the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, citing Murtha's request of Sept. 26, 1967, seeking Purple Hearts." ( The letter provided by Murtha was not be authenticated by CNS and lists no rank or title for the letter's author A, Gardoni.)
"The records of this Headquarters show that you are entitled to the Purple Heart and a Gold Star in lieu of a second Purple Heart for wounds received in action against insurgent Communist Guerrilla forces on 22 March and 7 May 1967 in the Republic of Vietnam,"

Now here's the question- why does your official biography, on your own House website http://www.house.gov/murtha/awards.shtml#military list your Purple Hearts as being awarded in 1966 ?

Bronze Star with Combat V, 1966.

Purple Heart, 1966.

Purple Heart, second award, 1966.

Vietnamese Cross of Galantry, 1966.


62 posted on 01/18/2006 11:24:15 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: pissant

If the Washington Post is coming to his defense then I am certain he is guilty.


63 posted on 01/18/2006 11:37:34 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Bommer
Please! The media blacked out the SB Vets! There was more Anti-Bush stuff flowing in from Move-on and all the Ne-Nazi wing of the Democraps then from our end. Kerry lost because he had no ideas and changed his mind more than a woman!

I contributed to the SBVFT three times so that they could get their message out. Their ads were very effective and had a major impact on the campaign. Kerry went into virtual hiding for almost a month refusing to answer the SBVFT charges. The cable news programs gave the SBVFT some substantial airtime, mostly to try to discredit them. The major newspapers like the NYT and WP also ran major stories on the SBVFT charges.

The SBVFT was a 527 like Moveon.org. President Bush and McCain were not supportive. The WH called for an end to all 527s and refused to criticize Kerry for his war record or his anti-war activities. In fact, McCain was downright hostile to the SBVFT calling them dishonest and dishonarable. The SBVFT was like David going against Goliath (Moveon.org) in terms of funding. Yet, they were effective because of their well-constructed ads and the people who participated. Essentially, Kerry's entire chain of command and his fellow officers (save a few) made a compelling case that Kerry was Unfit for Command.

Despite all his baggage, Kerry barely lost. He received more votes than any Presidential candidate in history except for Bush. Kerry received 8 million votes more than Gore. The SBVFT were the difference.

64 posted on 01/18/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: palmer

Dents maybe but no holes. Kerry has yet to explain or provide documents for his first PH. He never explained his alleged Cambodia trip over Xmas. Why did Lehman approve the reissuance of his medal certificates in 1986? The list goes on and on.


65 posted on 01/18/2006 12:03:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Good question. His bio says,"He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry."


66 posted on 01/18/2006 12:07:53 PM PST by kabar
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To: pepsionice
He isn't as clean as he pretends...and he ought not stand in front of the national media as some kinda hero.

...after what happen with kerry...you have to figure ANYTIME the democrats praise anyone doing anything with the military..somethings not right. Given the track record of the new liberal left Right now the American people are behind the military...the left has no choice, thus we see Hildabeast support, let those numbers change a bit...and you'll see the true military hating Hildabeast

67 posted on 01/18/2006 1:33:29 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: kabar

One thing you have to remember is that about 75% of Democrats would vote for a "Welcome" mat if it was listed as Democrat.


68 posted on 01/18/2006 2:06:20 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: pepsionice
Regardless of whether he deserved the medals or not, it is his encouraging our present enemies in a time of war which I find inexcusable.

As a veteran he should be well aware of the ramifications of his statements and their effect on enemy morale.

The medal issue is a red herring. His current actions are excrable, but if the medals were fully and undeniably deserved (or no one ca prove otherwise), the MSM will spin that into justification for all his other actions, too.

Forget the medals, attack the statements.

69 posted on 01/18/2006 2:29:37 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: kabar

Sorry dude, but everytimne I heard him mocked, it was for being a flip-flopper not a phoney war hero! Bush's service was made more of a campaign issue then the swift boat vets. Sorry their commercials, though compelling and effective were limited in scope. The problem with John Kerry, other than hes a lying scumbag was, he had no record in the Congress after serving 20 years! He had no appeal to moron soccar moms! He had no message! He was dull and boring and scene as a Gigalo! And he was endourced on the eve of teh election by Bin Laudin! Sorry but with the exception of the true patriots of this country, Vietnam service made no difference. If it would have any impact at all, Clinton would have never been elected!


70 posted on 01/18/2006 4:11:35 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: Wristpin

"I always thaought the Swift Boat vets were unfairly "Swiftboated", Together they had thousands of years of service, CMOH's, Retired Admirals, the works. The media smeared them."

Agreed. Now they smear people who question Murtha's record.


71 posted on 01/18/2006 7:20:58 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Boundless

"JfK signed the 180, but only for his pals at the Boston
Globe, not so that the general public could examine the
key records."

Interesting. Thanks for that.

"Murtha, like Kerry, could make all this go away (or
get very much worse) by signing the 180.
Kerry didn't, and Murtha won't either."

Good, valid point. But it will be tough to make that point heard over the shrill media din.


72 posted on 01/18/2006 7:22:43 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Bommer

" Please! The media blacked out the SB Vets!"

You're wrong. The SB Vet ad was aired on many stations throughout the country---without pay as a news story. It made the difference in a close election.


73 posted on 01/18/2006 7:27:42 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Calpernia

"Which is why they want control of the Internet."

Got that right! Hillary was focused on the Internet threat in 1995! Before any Conservatives were using it!


74 posted on 01/18/2006 7:28:53 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: katana

"Something I missed during the campaign."

You must learn to "re-remember" what happened. The MSM provides us with the "currently operative" version of the past.


75 posted on 01/18/2006 7:33:30 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Bommer

"Sorry dude, but everytimne I heard him mocked, it was for being a flip-flopper not a phoney war hero!"

You must have missed the Swift Boat ads.


76 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:44 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Family Guy
In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

You better check your sources.....your statement is false and was proven so many times...Media hasn't poked holes in any of the Swifties accounts...They can't because their statments were all true....

77 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:47 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: kabar

" I contributed to the SBVFT three times so that they could get their message out."

I contributed twice. Good points.

You may like to know that a person very involved with the Free Republic (I think a board member) played a role with the SB Vets. He is Scott Swett. The SB Vets were very inexperienced in the political game when they started out and he gave them some early tutoring. Though Scott seeks no publicity on this, he is not averse to it either, so I am comfortable mentioning his name. He started a website, I believe it was named Winter Soldier, about 6 mos. before the SB Vet campaign.


78 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:40 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

You better check your sources.....your statement is false and was proven so many times...Media hasn't poked holes in any of the Swifties accounts...They can't because their statments were all true....

I'm sorry. I was trying to be funny. After the whole Swiftie thing, Kerry admitted to delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge (they were the enemy of the U.S.A. in Vietnam.) As far as I know the Swifties never commented on his claim. My comment is that I would not be surprised about Kerry giving weapons to our enemies.

79 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:05 PM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: pissant

O'reilley was whining tonight about the "far-right websites" daring to question murtha's self-proclaimed heroism. Apparently bill isn't looking out for the truth.


80 posted on 01/18/2006 10:23:24 PM PST by ozzymandus
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