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A Swift-Moving Story (Murtha Alert)
WashPost ^ | 1/18/06 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 01/18/2006 7:25:19 AM PST by pissant

Is Jack Murtha being unfairly Swift-boated?

The left side of the commentariat is up in arms about my piece on a conservative Web site raising questions about the congressman's two Purple Hearts.

Here's the report by the Cybercast News Service: Check it out and reach your own conclusions.

Look, anyone can dig into a congressman's record, and Cybercast (which is part of Brent Bozell's conservative media criticism group) quoted people on the record, dug up a bunch of clips and gave the Pennsylvania Democrat a chance to respond. Editor in Chief David Thibault told me that Murtha had placed himself in the crossfire by becoming a leading voice for a U.S. pullout in Iraq.

What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq? In the case of John Kerry, you could argue that the Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account -- was challenging the biography of a presidential candidate who had put his Vietnam heroism at the center of his campaign. But what is Jack Murtha running for, other than reelection in his district?

Of course, politics ain't beanbag, and Murtha, as a 37-year Marine vet, must be accustomed to hostile fire. The Purple issue, in fact, has come up in some of his past campaigns. But now it's getting national play -- and sparking a liberal backlash.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 109th; iraq; kurtz; loser; murtha; murthamedals
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The liberal-traitor crowd is steaming over the conservatives shining light on Jack "George Galloway wannabee" Murtha's Kerry-esque past. I Love it.
1 posted on 01/18/2006 7:25:20 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Murthat has an ass full of rice, too?


2 posted on 01/18/2006 7:27:02 AM PST by NRA1995 (GOOOOOOO STEELERS!!!)
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To: pissant

Murtha and John Kerry should be tried for treason. The entire Democrat Party is nothing but a bunch of traitors.


3 posted on 01/18/2006 7:29:04 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: pissant

"What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq?"

You see, that's the problem here. Murhta's stance is *not* sound, but it is being propped up by his record as a warrior. If his record is a sham, the prop is destroyed, letting the country get back to some level of reality.


4 posted on 01/18/2006 7:31:05 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: pissant

Typical lib crap.....start out on the track of the headline, branch out into some other incoherent rambling, and never finish the thought and/or article...


5 posted on 01/18/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by joe fonebone (Woodstock defined the current crop of libs, but who cleaned up the mess they left?)
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To: pissant

The irony is that until the left starting bleeting like sheep, I had no idea this story was out there.


6 posted on 01/18/2006 7:33:59 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: pissant
you could argue that the Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account

WTF? Did they get JFnK to sign the SF-180 or something?

7 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: pissant

Okay, the moral lepers are frothing about challenges to their attempts to increase Murtha's credibility by calling him a "highly decorated veteran." No surprises there.

But where is the factual information?

Slut Magazine said the records are available, but I though Murtha was pulling a Kerry on that.


8 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:22 AM PST by dsc
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To: Frank_Discussion

I always thaought the Swift Boat vets were unfairly "Swiftboated", Together they had thousands of years of service, CMOH's, Retired Admirals, the works. The media smeared them.


9 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:34 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"WTF? Did they get JFnK to sign the SF-180 or something?"

No, they just babbled some crap, and will forever after claim to have "poked significant holes" in the truth.


10 posted on 01/18/2006 7:36:16 AM PST by dsc
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--even though the media poked significant holes in their account --

Pure BS. The media and Kerry never refuted anything that the SBVFT put forth. This is further MSM disinformation.

11 posted on 01/18/2006 7:38:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: pissant
What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq?

Ah, the old distract and destroy leftist illogic tactic. The left has lifted Murtha on their shoulders and proclaimed him to be a gen-you-wine war hero.

However, when their gen-you-wine war hero repeatedly demands that we cut and run as he did in Somalia and more recently with Iraq, one is within the boundaries of sanity by questioning what it is that makes Murtha such a gen-you-wine war hero.

If we examine the record of another gen-you-wine war hero such as Audie Murphy, we would have to ask the question what would he think about our operations in Somalia and Iraq and would he join with Murtha in calling for our immediate retreat and capitulation, or would he want us to finish what Saddam started?

As usual, the WaPo is practicing the usual leftist tactic of appearing to address the issue head-on by distracting the reader from the topic to attack the counter-argument. The problem for the WaPo is that the counter-argument, as it typically does when we are talking leftist positions, has merit; and they can't distract their way out of it.
12 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:39 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Wristpin

No argument from me.


13 posted on 01/18/2006 7:46:52 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: pissant
A Cybercast News Service investigation also reveals that one of Murtha's former Democratic congressional colleagues and a fellow decorated Vietnam veteran, Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, alleges that Murtha admitted during an emotional conversation on the floor of the U.S. House in the early 1980s that he did not deserve his Purple Hearts.

..from the article, do take note, it was a fellow DEMOCRAT that exposed his kerry like medal awards in question. Another one of these "no military records indicate" stories. And of course Murtha won't release his military records

Doogle

14 posted on 01/18/2006 7:47:15 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Frank_Discussion

That is a great point. His whole reason for being propelled into the limelight is that he is a highly decorated Marine Vet from vietnam. This gives him standing as an "expert".


15 posted on 01/18/2006 7:50:02 AM PST by Holicheese (Errrr ahhhhhh My dog Splash got into my Chivas)
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To: kabar

Agreed. I never saw a significant hole punched in the stories of the Swift Boaters. As far as I am concerned they helped save America.


16 posted on 01/18/2006 7:50:22 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: dsc

Fox News Sunday, Juan Williams says that all the time, "The discredited Swift Boaters". I always ask, how were they discredited. JFK had to admit he was not in Cambodia, that his stories do not jibe and that Nixon never sent him to Cambodia at Christmas.


17 posted on 01/18/2006 7:56:19 AM PST by Holicheese (Errrr ahhhhhh My dog Splash got into my Chivas)
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To: pissant
What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq?

Incredibly disingenuous.

They know very well that it's precisely Murtha's war record that's being used to shield him and the Democrats from the charge of defeatism.

18 posted on 01/18/2006 7:59:08 AM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

>> ... even though the media poked significant holes
>> in their account

> WTF? Did they get JFnK to sign the SF-180 or something?

JfK signed the 180, but only for his pals at the Boston
Globe, not so that the general public could examine the
key records.

Murtha, like Kerry, could make all this go away (or
get very much worse) by signing the 180.
Kerry didn't, and Murtha won't either.


19 posted on 01/18/2006 8:08:17 AM PST by Boundless
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Exactly! What holes?


20 posted on 01/18/2006 8:10:20 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that most Democrats are patriots?)
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To: Holicheese

"Fox News Sunday, Juan Williams says that all the time, "The discredited Swift Boaters". "

Juan Williams is a moral leper. Disappointing that Fox pays him. I wouldn't let him clean my toilet.


21 posted on 01/18/2006 8:12:31 AM PST by dsc
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To: pissant
"If you are looking for a reason to go after John Murtha for his appeasing and cut-n-run demands, it's not in his forty year old service record."

Then the left should stop touting his war-hero status as a reason to take his opinions about Iraq seriously.

Is it just me or does it seem like all the folks who got bogus commendations in Vietnam ended up democrats?

22 posted on 01/18/2006 8:18:13 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker; All

Murtha is a stinking pile of traitorous feces and I don't care what dirt they dig to bring the idiot down. He deserves NOTHING by scorn and condemnation.


23 posted on 01/18/2006 8:21:25 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
What, exactly, does whatever Murtha did near Danang in 1967 have to do with the soundness of his stance on Iraq?

Murtha's war record is being used by the left as moral leverage for his Iraq War stance. If that leverage is found to be lies, Murtha becomes just another barking moonbat in the Cindy Sheehan mould.

Also, if Judge Alito's CAP newsletter subscription is of extreme importance, why not Rep. Murtha's war record and his alleged requests for his own purple hearts?

24 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:27 AM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Ghengis

There a no scars on his face where the war wounds are suppose to be. It smells.


25 posted on 01/18/2006 8:28:56 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: sgtbono2002

Agreed. Without the SBFVT, Bush loses the election. The Dems had effectively muted/neutered/intimidated Bush's attack on Kerry's phony war record and anti-war activities. The supposed genius, Karl Rove, did a dismal job in the campaign. The biggest surprise to me was how close Kerry, the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in America, came to defeating an incumbent, wartime President with a good ecomony. Truly astounding.


26 posted on 01/18/2006 8:36:19 AM PST by kabar
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To: DustyMoment

Should have used spell check.

Around these here parts, we spell it gin-you-whine.


27 posted on 01/18/2006 8:41:32 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Boundless

And if I'm not mistaken (that's been know to happen, but rarely ! ) there were STILL records that were not even released to the Boston Globe.


28 posted on 01/18/2006 8:43:07 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: pissant


The left has eaten another one of their own.

Don't these people ever learn?


29 posted on 01/18/2006 8:47:49 AM PST by bentover
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To: pissant

Don't bother with this story. I kept hoping it would shed some light on the issue, but instead all it did was regurgitate irrational liberal blather about their war zero Murtha.


30 posted on 01/18/2006 8:49:54 AM PST by MikeA
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To: FlipWilson
The irony is that until the left starting bleeting like sheep, I had no idea this story was out there.

Same here. I heard a promo for LARDBALL tonight and this is going to be the topic. I may watch now.

31 posted on 01/18/2006 8:51:03 AM PST by McGruff (Pres. Bush speaking on Osama, "If he's dead, we got him. If he's not, we'll get him.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
you could argue that the Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account

In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

32 posted on 01/18/2006 9:24:22 AM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: freema

This Washington Post article looks almost like a word for word of this blog (anti war blog)


http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1137302880.shtml
The "Swiftboating" To Discredit John Murtha


33 posted on 01/18/2006 9:25:42 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Frank_Discussion

bttt


34 posted on 01/18/2006 9:28:37 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: freema
Around these here parts, we spell it gin-you-whine.

In Murtha's case, I'll concede the typo. In Audie Murphy's case, we're gonna have words.

LOL!
35 posted on 01/18/2006 9:31:48 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

! )


36 posted on 01/18/2006 10:05:11 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Family Guy
In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

Who cares? The primary issue of the SBVT was that JFnK had acquired three (THREE!!!) Purple Hearts in less than a month in Viet Nam through nefarious means in order to get excused from further service in-theater.

JFnK could have slam-dunked the SBVT by releasing his complete military record to the public. He never has, and never will.

Can Mr. Fraud prove that he didn't get a dishonorable discharge that was changed by Jimmah Carter when he was President?

He could if he released his military record.

If he had nothing to hide, he would have released it long ago.

Who cares about JFnK's random, mealy-mouthed bragging? Listen to him for five minutes and you know he's a liar.

37 posted on 01/18/2006 10:11:56 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I think you misunderstood my post. John Kerry claimed to deliver weapons to the enemy (i.e. the Khmer Rouge). I'm willing to take him at his word in this (and only this) one instance.


38 posted on 01/18/2006 10:21:36 AM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: kabar
Without the SBFVT, Bush loses the election

Please! The media blacked out the SB Vets! There was more Anti-Bush stuff flowing in from Move-on and all the Ne-Nazi wing of the Democraps then from our end. Kerry lost because he had no ideas and changed his mind more than a woman!

39 posted on 01/18/2006 10:21:59 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: Calpernia

You know, I'm sick of the "Conservatives Attack" line.

I had thoughts about this BEFORE the CNS article appeared.

Anyone who could put 2 + 2 together would question Murtha's 'moral authority' in light of John Kerry.
I'm not alone. But the conservatives attack. You know, if we did, they'd run and hide.

All they do is stand on the playground, crying and tattling anything they can think of to their Msm. Teacher so they look like the perfect child.


40 posted on 01/18/2006 10:23:21 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Calpernia

You know, now they'll paint us not just as elitist nigger haters on plantations, they're going to get a bigger brush and mo' paint to cover us with the old line that WE'LL disparage every veteran that comes along, and they do it with John Kerry sitting in the front row.

(It just doesn't really matter if they endanger our troops, they've got a constitutional patriotic duty to speak out.)

Sarcasm off.


41 posted on 01/18/2006 10:27:50 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

Which is why they want control of the Internet. If it wasn't for this, they would not have to defend themselves or attack.

They control most of the other media outlets.


42 posted on 01/18/2006 10:29:10 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: dsc

Exactly.. but I doubt you'll see Kerry in front of a convention saluting and reporting for duty again,posing as a hero..

The Vets have the goods on him..and enough listened to the truth.


43 posted on 01/18/2006 10:29:46 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Family Guy
John Kerry claimed to deliver weapons to the enemy (i.e. the Khmer Rouge). I'm willing to take him at his word in this (and only this) one instance.

I don't believe the SBVT even addressed that, so how could their credibility suffer because of it?

44 posted on 01/18/2006 10:30:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Calpernia

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011600913.html

Murtha and the Mudslingers, EJ Dionne.


45 posted on 01/18/2006 10:32:13 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Doogle

Unlike Kerry...which we know that the Navy gave him a dishonorable discharge to start (for his Paris trip to visit the North Vietnam representatives)...and Jimmy Carter gave him a cleaned up discharge, which states that its cleaned up...Murtha appears to have some kinda baggage in the midst of these records...either disciplinary action or a lost stripe. Even if Murtha released the medal paperwork...it'd probably make him look ok in this situation. There is something bigger in those records which he really doesn't want the public to see. Normally, I wouldn't care....he's a loser from Penn and not worth talking about. But he has stepped out of the shadows and pretends that he is representing us veterans at the table...and the spotlight ought to shine completely on the man (and his past). He isn't as clean as he pretends...and he ought not stand in front of the national media as some kinda hero.


46 posted on 01/18/2006 10:36:13 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: DustyMoment

BTTT


47 posted on 01/18/2006 10:38:25 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
>>>Listen to him for five minutes and you know he's [Kerry] a liar. <<<

Not to mention a phony, lightweight, effete flake.

48 posted on 01/18/2006 10:39:18 AM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Calpernia

And why they're snuggling up to wounded vets to tell them they're so sorry they lost limbs for a lie and they want to bring everyone else home so the same fate doesn't befall them.

Except it's such an insult to our troops intelligence it won't work.

They haven't gotten the military vote and they know the black vote is beginning to come alive.

This is going to get ugly.


49 posted on 01/18/2006 10:42:54 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I don't believe the SBVT even addressed that, so how could their credibility suffer because of it?

They didn't address it. John Kerry mentioned it after the fact. It was just my obviously disastrous attempt at humor.

50 posted on 01/18/2006 10:43:28 AM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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