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A Swift-Moving Story (Murtha Alert)
WashPost ^ | 1/18/06 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 01/18/2006 7:25:19 AM PST by pissant

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To: pissant
....you could argue that the Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account

Do tell, Howard.... cite one.

51 posted on 01/18/2006 10:47:17 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: freema

They are saying exactly that and more on righttalk now

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560382/posts


52 posted on 01/18/2006 10:52:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, I for one thought it was very telling when the MSM said, "The SBVFT are a bunch of poopy-lips fibbers."

Can't argue with logic like that.


53 posted on 01/18/2006 10:52:33 AM PST by dsc
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To: Family Guy
It was just my obviously disastrous attempt at humor.

I apologize. I am usually pretty good at detecting sarcasm, but I missed it, mainly because this lying article pissed me off.

54 posted on 01/18/2006 10:53:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Calpernia
Like this...Hitlery is still mad that they've lost control of the gates. had it been Hitlery's way, we'd be under the U.N flag with yere f'n hubby as secretary general. Be enough to ruin anyone's life.
55 posted on 01/18/2006 10:55:22 AM PST by Issaquahking (Build nukes, Harvest timber, Drill ANWR, Because it's good earth use, not abuse!!!)
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To: pissant
Swift Boat Vets -- even though the media poked significant holes in their account

Something I missed during the campaign. The only holes I recall were the ones shot into Kerry's contrived reputation as a "war hero".

56 posted on 01/18/2006 11:02:52 AM PST by katana
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To: Issaquahking

With the level of attacks increasing and becoming even more insane than normal....

I can't help but wonder who may have been caught on the speed dial program...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1559773/posts
Rosenbergs’ Granddaughter Sues NSA Over Spying


57 posted on 01/18/2006 11:04:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

No joke?! I'm having trouble with my computer, I got it up, but I must have missed it.


58 posted on 01/18/2006 11:06:58 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: pissant

The right has mostly ignored the story about Murtha. I look through National Review, the columnists at Townhall.com, etc., and no major conservative commentator thinks it's worthy of comment. (I agree--I don't think it's worthy of comment either.)

A few lesser publications on the right have picked it up, and all of a sudden the left is screaming about some huge Rovian conspiracy. The left seems to think all conservatives get a morning fax with the same information.


59 posted on 01/18/2006 11:14:23 AM PST by Our man in washington
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To: kabar
--even though the media poked significant holes in their account --

The wording is significant. Kerry and the media poked some holes in the swiftees account. One I can think of is the picture in the book shows only one sailor supporting Kerry when there were actually several. This hole, like the others I saw, cannot be considered significant.

60 posted on 01/18/2006 11:15:52 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Damn straight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


61 posted on 01/18/2006 11:17:51 AM PST by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible)
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To: pissant

I just have a simple question. Real simple. Easy for Murtha to clear up.

"On Friday, Jan. 13, Murtha's congressional communications director provided Cybercast News Service with a copy of a letter from the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, citing Murtha's request of Sept. 26, 1967, seeking Purple Hearts." ( The letter provided by Murtha was not be authenticated by CNS and lists no rank or title for the letter's author A, Gardoni.)
"The records of this Headquarters show that you are entitled to the Purple Heart and a Gold Star in lieu of a second Purple Heart for wounds received in action against insurgent Communist Guerrilla forces on 22 March and 7 May 1967 in the Republic of Vietnam,"

Now here's the question- why does your official biography, on your own House website http://www.house.gov/murtha/awards.shtml#military list your Purple Hearts as being awarded in 1966 ?

Bronze Star with Combat V, 1966.

Purple Heart, 1966.

Purple Heart, second award, 1966.

Vietnamese Cross of Galantry, 1966.


62 posted on 01/18/2006 11:24:15 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: pissant

If the Washington Post is coming to his defense then I am certain he is guilty.


63 posted on 01/18/2006 11:37:34 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Bommer
Please! The media blacked out the SB Vets! There was more Anti-Bush stuff flowing in from Move-on and all the Ne-Nazi wing of the Democraps then from our end. Kerry lost because he had no ideas and changed his mind more than a woman!

I contributed to the SBVFT three times so that they could get their message out. Their ads were very effective and had a major impact on the campaign. Kerry went into virtual hiding for almost a month refusing to answer the SBVFT charges. The cable news programs gave the SBVFT some substantial airtime, mostly to try to discredit them. The major newspapers like the NYT and WP also ran major stories on the SBVFT charges.

The SBVFT was a 527 like Moveon.org. President Bush and McCain were not supportive. The WH called for an end to all 527s and refused to criticize Kerry for his war record or his anti-war activities. In fact, McCain was downright hostile to the SBVFT calling them dishonest and dishonarable. The SBVFT was like David going against Goliath (Moveon.org) in terms of funding. Yet, they were effective because of their well-constructed ads and the people who participated. Essentially, Kerry's entire chain of command and his fellow officers (save a few) made a compelling case that Kerry was Unfit for Command.

Despite all his baggage, Kerry barely lost. He received more votes than any Presidential candidate in history except for Bush. Kerry received 8 million votes more than Gore. The SBVFT were the difference.

64 posted on 01/18/2006 11:57:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: palmer

Dents maybe but no holes. Kerry has yet to explain or provide documents for his first PH. He never explained his alleged Cambodia trip over Xmas. Why did Lehman approve the reissuance of his medal certificates in 1986? The list goes on and on.


65 posted on 01/18/2006 12:03:25 PM PST by kabar
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Good question. His bio says,"He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry."


66 posted on 01/18/2006 12:07:53 PM PST by kabar
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To: pepsionice
He isn't as clean as he pretends...and he ought not stand in front of the national media as some kinda hero.

...after what happen with kerry...you have to figure ANYTIME the democrats praise anyone doing anything with the military..somethings not right. Given the track record of the new liberal left Right now the American people are behind the military...the left has no choice, thus we see Hildabeast support, let those numbers change a bit...and you'll see the true military hating Hildabeast

67 posted on 01/18/2006 1:33:29 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: kabar

One thing you have to remember is that about 75% of Democrats would vote for a "Welcome" mat if it was listed as Democrat.


68 posted on 01/18/2006 2:06:20 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: pepsionice
Regardless of whether he deserved the medals or not, it is his encouraging our present enemies in a time of war which I find inexcusable.

As a veteran he should be well aware of the ramifications of his statements and their effect on enemy morale.

The medal issue is a red herring. His current actions are excrable, but if the medals were fully and undeniably deserved (or no one ca prove otherwise), the MSM will spin that into justification for all his other actions, too.

Forget the medals, attack the statements.

69 posted on 01/18/2006 2:29:37 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: kabar

Sorry dude, but everytimne I heard him mocked, it was for being a flip-flopper not a phoney war hero! Bush's service was made more of a campaign issue then the swift boat vets. Sorry their commercials, though compelling and effective were limited in scope. The problem with John Kerry, other than hes a lying scumbag was, he had no record in the Congress after serving 20 years! He had no appeal to moron soccar moms! He had no message! He was dull and boring and scene as a Gigalo! And he was endourced on the eve of teh election by Bin Laudin! Sorry but with the exception of the true patriots of this country, Vietnam service made no difference. If it would have any impact at all, Clinton would have never been elected!


70 posted on 01/18/2006 4:11:35 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: Wristpin

"I always thaought the Swift Boat vets were unfairly "Swiftboated", Together they had thousands of years of service, CMOH's, Retired Admirals, the works. The media smeared them."

Agreed. Now they smear people who question Murtha's record.


71 posted on 01/18/2006 7:20:58 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Boundless

"JfK signed the 180, but only for his pals at the Boston
Globe, not so that the general public could examine the
key records."

Interesting. Thanks for that.

"Murtha, like Kerry, could make all this go away (or
get very much worse) by signing the 180.
Kerry didn't, and Murtha won't either."

Good, valid point. But it will be tough to make that point heard over the shrill media din.


72 posted on 01/18/2006 7:22:43 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Bommer

" Please! The media blacked out the SB Vets!"

You're wrong. The SB Vet ad was aired on many stations throughout the country---without pay as a news story. It made the difference in a close election.


73 posted on 01/18/2006 7:27:42 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Calpernia

"Which is why they want control of the Internet."

Got that right! Hillary was focused on the Internet threat in 1995! Before any Conservatives were using it!


74 posted on 01/18/2006 7:28:53 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: katana

"Something I missed during the campaign."

You must learn to "re-remember" what happened. The MSM provides us with the "currently operative" version of the past.


75 posted on 01/18/2006 7:33:30 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Bommer

"Sorry dude, but everytimne I heard him mocked, it was for being a flip-flopper not a phoney war hero!"

You must have missed the Swift Boat ads.


76 posted on 01/18/2006 7:34:44 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: Family Guy
In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

You better check your sources.....your statement is false and was proven so many times...Media hasn't poked holes in any of the Swifties accounts...They can't because their statments were all true....

77 posted on 01/18/2006 7:35:47 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: kabar

" I contributed to the SBVFT three times so that they could get their message out."

I contributed twice. Good points.

You may like to know that a person very involved with the Free Republic (I think a board member) played a role with the SB Vets. He is Scott Swett. The SB Vets were very inexperienced in the political game when they started out and he gave them some early tutoring. Though Scott seeks no publicity on this, he is not averse to it either, so I am comfortable mentioning his name. He started a website, I believe it was named Winter Soldier, about 6 mos. before the SB Vet campaign.


78 posted on 01/18/2006 7:42:40 PM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
In the media's defense, the Swift Boat Vets were never able to disprove Kerry's claim of delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge.

You better check your sources.....your statement is false and was proven so many times...Media hasn't poked holes in any of the Swifties accounts...They can't because their statments were all true....

I'm sorry. I was trying to be funny. After the whole Swiftie thing, Kerry admitted to delivering weapons to the Khmer Rouge (they were the enemy of the U.S.A. in Vietnam.) As far as I know the Swifties never commented on his claim. My comment is that I would not be surprised about Kerry giving weapons to our enemies.

79 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:05 PM PST by Family Guy (I disagree with what you said, but I'll defend to the death your right to shut up.)
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To: pissant

O'reilley was whining tonight about the "far-right websites" daring to question murtha's self-proclaimed heroism. Apparently bill isn't looking out for the truth.


80 posted on 01/18/2006 10:23:24 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Bommer
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Kerry and his campaign staff point to their failure to respond quickly to the SBVFT charges and ads as the reason for his narrow defeat. Being "Swift-boated" has become part of the political lexicon. It is currently being used by defenders of Murtha now that his phony war record is being challenged.

Kerry made his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his campaign. His reporting for duty antics at the Dem convention, surrounding himself with his swift boat crew, and trotting out generals and admirals who supported him was contrasted with Bush's Air National Guard Service. Bush was clearly on the defensive.

Kerry's decorated, war hero status was used in every campaign he ever engaged in. He used it against his opponents in Massachusetts. Bush was clearly intimidated and failed to attack Kerry for his traitorous anti-war activities. The SBVFT were the difference in a very close race, closer than it should have ever been.

Again, Kerry came within a whisker of defeating an incumbent wartime president during good economic times despite all of his baggage. He collected almost 20% more votes than Gore and the second highest total of any Presidental candidate in history.

81 posted on 01/19/2006 4:59:04 AM PST by kabar
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To: strategofr

I remember it well. Jerome Corsi, the co-author of Unfit for Command (which sold almost a million copies) with John O'Neill, was a Freeper. I attended the SBVFT rally in DC. It was relatively small but enegetic. The SBVFT demonstrated that a small grass roots organization with a message could be influential.


82 posted on 01/19/2006 5:03:12 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. Kerry and his campaign staff point to their failure to respond quickly to the SBVFT charges and ads as the reason for his narrow defeat.

Thats not correct. Just after the election, Kerry blamed the Bin Lauden tape that came out on the eve of the election for his defeat! But Kerry (and or his staff) will bnlame anyone and anything but themselves! You think Kerry is going to admit "I'm sorry that I was so boring! That I couldn't make up my mind on anything! That I voted for the war before I voted against it! That can't show hom I'm a true leader!". Remember towards the end, Vietnam and military service was not brought up (except by 60 mins) due to the overwealming flack, 10 times of what the swiftees were doing, against Bush and his National Guard record! The problem here is that the vast majority of voters don't care about a persons past. Bill Clinton was elected twice! He dodged the draft! He cheated on his wife! George Bush Sr. was a WWII war hero against a Vietnam draft dodger, and he lost. To voters (with exceptions to enlightened freepers) its who can convince them or fool them to vote for Kerry. Kerry could do neither! I'm not saying the Swiftees did not have an impact, but in the end, Kerry was seen as weak and indecisive and could not fool enough people to vote for him. The vast majority of votes were "Anyone but Bush" votes. They would have voted for the devil himself if running against Bush.

83 posted on 01/19/2006 7:37:33 AM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: kabar

"I remember it well. Jerome Corsi..."

It is an awesome story. I went to CPAC (in DC) in 2/2005, not even knowing what the Free Republic was, though I was with some Freepers I had met locally through participation in conservative politics. Corsi came to a Freeper dinner (that I attended) and said the SB Vets wouldn't have succeeded without the Freepers. I was amazed.


84 posted on 01/19/2006 11:04:54 AM PST by strategofr (Taliban had such quick success because of US State Dept support, Dangerous Diplomacy, Mowbray, p. 63)
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