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Leading Conservatives Call for Extensive Hearings on NSA Surveillance; Checks on Invasive Federal Po
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59381 ^ | January 17, 2006 | Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances

Posted on 01/18/2006 8:10:29 AM PST by Perlstein

Leading Conservatives Call for Extensive Hearings on NSA Surveillance; Checks on Invasive Federal Powers Essential

1/17/2006 6:36:00 PM

To: National Desk

Contact: Laura Brinker, 202-715-1540, for Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances, laura.brinker@dittus.com

WASHINGTON, Jan. 17 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances (PRCB) today called upon Congress to hold open, substantive oversight hearings examining the President's authorization of the National Security Agency (NSA) to violate domestic surveillance requirements outlined in the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, chairman of PRCB, was joined by fellow conservatives Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR); David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union; Paul Weyrich, chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation and Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, in urging lawmakers to use NSA hearings to establish a solid foundation for restoring much needed constitutional checks and balances to intelligence law.

"When the Patriot Act was passed shortly after 9-11, the federal government was granted expanded access to Americans' private information," said Barr. "However, federal law still clearly states that intelligence agents must have a court order to conduct electronic surveillance of Americans on these shores. Yet the federal government overstepped the protections of the Constitution and the plain language of FISA to eavesdrop on Americans' private communication without any judicial checks and without proof that they are involved in terrorism."

The following can be attributed to PRCB members:

"I believe that our executive branch cannot continue to operate without the checks of the other branches. However, I stand behind the President in encouraging Congress to operate cautiously during the hearings so that sensitive government intelligence is not given to our enemies." -- Paul Weyrich, chairman and CEO, Free Congress Foundation

"Public hearings on this issue are essential to addressing the serious concerns raised by alarming revelations of NSA electronic eavesdropping." -- Grover Norquist, president, Americans for Tax Reform

"The need to reform surveillance laws and practices adopted since 9/11 is more apparent now than ever. No one would deny the government the power it needs to protect us all, but when that power poses a threat to the basic rights that make our nation unique, its exercise must be carefully monitored by Congress and the courts. This is not a partisan issue; it is an issue of safeguarding the fundamental freedoms of all Americans so that future administrations do not interpret our laws in ways that pose constitutional concerns." -- David Keene, chairman, American Conservative Union

"If the law is not reformed, ordinary Americans' personal information could be swept into all-encompassing federal databases encroaching upon every aspect of their private lives. This is of particular concern to gun owners, whose rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment are currently being infringed upon under the Patriot Act's controversial record search provisions." -- Alan Gottlieb, founder, Second Amendment Foundation

Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances is an organization dedicated to protecting Americans' fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment and ensuring that all provisions of the Patriot Act are in line with the Constitution. For more information, visit the Web site at http://www.checksbalances.org.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abramoff; aclu; acu; atr; barr; bobbarr; davidkeene; dojprobe; freecongress; gottlieb; grovernorquist; homelandsecurity; norquist; nsa; nsahearings; patriotleak; spying; weyrich
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1 posted on 01/18/2006 8:10:32 AM PST by Perlstein
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To: Perlstein

Please do not change titles.


2 posted on 01/18/2006 8:12:54 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Perlstein

Those are leading conservatives? Hell, we are in trouble then.


3 posted on 01/18/2006 8:13:38 AM PST by pissant
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To: Perlstein
"Public hearings on this issue are essential to addressing the serious concerns raised by alarming revelations of NSA electronic eavesdropping." -- Grover Norquist, president, Americans for Tax Reform

Yes, some of your best buddies might be under surveillance for their conversations with Al Quaeda....right, Grover?

4 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:01 AM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: Perlstein
This is a good example of how the MSM makes things happen. They put out an article titled "Conservatives Breaking with President on NSA" in the hope of persuading some conservatives to actually break with the president on this.

Right now the public is overwhelmingly on Bush's side. But if this cr@p keeps up, the MSM will turn the public around in a couple of months.

The MSM will destroy this country yet. They already cost us heavily in Vietnam, which eventually killed 2 million people in SEA. They're dangerous.

5 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:02 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: Perlstein

The Current Administration seems to be extending the work of Gary Hart and Andrew Young (Patriot Act) with the tactics of Ramsey Clark. Funny how Hart, Young, and Clark provide the philosophical underpinnings of supposedly conservative officials.


6 posted on 01/18/2006 8:15:53 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Perlstein
The term "Clueless Twits" applies to the people named in this article.


7 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:17 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Perlstein

Soooooooooooo, what's your take on all this?


8 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:19 AM PST by Lead Moderator
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To: Perlstein
Newswire is a Leftist propaganda outlet not a serious source of news. These "Conservatives" are has been stooges who are of NO significance. They sold out to be part of Al Gores "Liberty Coalition", they are PR Whores NOT Conservatives.
9 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:20 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: Perlstein

And just where these heroes when Echelon first went on
line under Clinton?

What's new now, other than being publicity hounds?


10 posted on 01/18/2006 8:16:31 AM PST by Boundless
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To: narby
This is a good example of how the MSM makes things happen. They put out an article titled "Conservatives Breaking with President on NSA" in the hope of persuading some conservatives to actually break with the president on this

Actually this a press release, by has been "true conservative", being led by ACLU employee bob barr.

11 posted on 01/18/2006 8:17:48 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: MNJohnnie
Newswire is a Leftist propaganda outlet not a serious source of news.

Actually, everyone should realize that this is a press release. In other words, the people and group named in this article wrote it and released it.

12 posted on 01/18/2006 8:18:44 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Gee I am sorry "DR" that the difference between citizens collaborating with a Foreign power and domestic criminals seems so painfully difficult for pseudo intellectuals to grasp?

Once the citizens begin to collaborate with a foreign group like Al Qeda they go from being members of, to enemies of, our Civic Society. Time for the hysterics to pull their heads out of their butts and wake up to the fact that we are AT WAR. Unlike these pretend "Conservatives" WE understand the President is a CO EQUAL branch of Govt NOT a Congressional Clerk. Too bad so many people are so rabidly ignorant of HOW our system works. Maybe these "Patriots" should spend their money on some basic CIVICS classes instead of wasting it on THIS rabid stupidity.

13 posted on 01/18/2006 8:22:09 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: Dane

I can understand some of Barr's positions and maybe even defend them from a conservative perspective, but to join and side with the ACLU in any way is a disgrace. I don't see how a conservative could be comfortable working with an organization so devoted to overturning traditional values through judicial fiat.


14 posted on 01/18/2006 8:22:25 AM PST by Aetius
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To: pissant
Jeez, bob barr was not even a leading conservative when he was in office.

I did like some of things barr did but not all....
15 posted on 01/18/2006 8:22:49 AM PST by vin-one (REMEMBER the WTC !!!!!!!!)
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To: Perlstein

Bob Barr trying to move left to regain power.


16 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (As the left takes to the streets the too many lazy Freeper sleep)
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To: goodnesswins

For answers to questions about Grover Norquist, read the book Infiltration. Grover is married to a rather radical middle eastern woman who works for the State Department.

Grover also started up a new company a few years ago; I've forgotten the name but it's something like Islamic Studies.

He constantly caters to Muslims and as a result, a lot of conservatives have stopped attending his Wednesday morning meetings or having anything to do with him.


17 posted on 01/18/2006 8:28:31 AM PST by Peach
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To: Boundless

I don't know where they were, but I bitched (uselessly, as usual) about Echelon. I don't think Ms President Rodham will find the precedents unhelpful.


18 posted on 01/18/2006 8:29:05 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Perlstein
Hello, Perlstein


19 posted on 01/18/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by eyespysomething (Let's agree to respect each other's views, no matter how wrong yours might be.)
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To: atomicpossum

LEADING CONSERVATIVES ???????


Most of this bunch have been UNELECTED...they couldn't lead horse to water.


20 posted on 01/18/2006 8:33:27 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: darkwing104
So you are okay with warrantless wiretaps?

I'm not.

21 posted on 01/18/2006 8:34:07 AM PST by conserv13
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To: narby


"This is a good example of how the MSM makes things happen."

The story has been changed from illegal leaks of a Special Access Program during a time of war to abuse of presidential power.

They had the Dems dead to rights had there been arrests around Christmas. Weak response as usual.


22 posted on 01/18/2006 8:36:29 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Perlstein
Former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, chairman of PRCB, was joined by fellow conservatives Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR); David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union; Paul Weyrich, chairman and CEO of the Free Congress Foundation and Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, in urging lawmakers to use NSA hearings to establish a solid foundation for restoring much needed constitutional checks and balances to intelligence law.

According to Overwhelming FR majority, afore-mentioned are ALL TRAITORS and TERRORIST ENABLERS.

Oh well, once Hitlary Klinton is sweared in, the flaws in 'Partriot-Act' would become obvious to everyone.
23 posted on 01/18/2006 8:37:56 AM PST by The_Republican
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To: conserv13
Tell me everything you know about authorized wiretaps of Person in the United States talking to known terrorists overseas?

What is your problem with that?

24 posted on 01/18/2006 8:37:56 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: MNJohnnie
Newswire is a Leftist propaganda outlet not a serious source of news.

I don't think you're correct. Newswire prints press releases from anyone who subscribes to their service.

25 posted on 01/18/2006 8:39:55 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: bmwcyle

Regain power WHERE? There aint NO way he will get elected to anything in Georgia again. Maybe he can turn gay and move to Atlanta {yeah thats the ticket!}


26 posted on 01/18/2006 8:40:36 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: southernerwithanattitude

Bob does get that the DEMS paid him back for impeachment. Then he kisses up to them. What is wrong with these people?


27 posted on 01/18/2006 8:42:50 AM PST by bmwcyle (As the left takes to the streets the too many lazy Freeper sleep)
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To: darkwing104

I'm with ya. I'm against Fourth Amendment rights for enemy combatants and thier domestic agents.


28 posted on 01/18/2006 8:43:00 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: MNJohnnie
They sold out to be part of Al Gores "Liberty Coalition", they are PR Whores NOT Conservatives.

That they did; they threw their 'lot' in with them -- and now the words of Al Gore calling for Bush's impeachment hang on THEIR NECKS.

SOBs.

29 posted on 01/18/2006 8:45:39 AM PST by Howlin
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To: MNJohnnie
They sold out to be part of Al Gores "Liberty Coalition", they are PR Whores NOT Conservatives.

Gottlieb was part of something connected to Gun Grabber Gore?

30 posted on 01/18/2006 8:46:12 AM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: bmwcyle

When will they ever learn that lefties do NOT donate $$ to anything.


31 posted on 01/18/2006 8:47:03 AM PST by Howlin
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To: goodnesswins
Conservatism used to be about putting limits on government's power. The conservatives who put out this press release still get it. A lot of freepers don't.

The freepers who want to ignore constitutional checks and balances, in the name of "security," will get a bite in the ass in Hillary becomes president and starts using the unchecked powers they have been so willing to grant to the executive branch.

32 posted on 01/18/2006 8:47:09 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: goodnesswins
Yes, some of your best buddies might be under surveillance for their conversations with Al Quaeda....right, Grover?

Not yet. The tax guys are lower on the priority list than the 2nd amendment goons.

33 posted on 01/18/2006 8:48:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Perlstein

I can well understand why Grover al-Norquist might have a problem with this, and it has nothing to do with being a "conservative."


34 posted on 01/18/2006 8:49:19 AM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: Wristpin
I'm against Fourth Amendment rights for enemy combatants and thier domestic agents."""

Problem is, until somebody's convicted, he or she is a "suspected" criminal. That could include anybody who got in the sites of the investigators. If you're for taking away the constitutional rights of suspects - then you're not a conservative. Because conservatives honor, and want to conserve, the constitution. Because they fear how unchecked federal power could be used if the wrong folks got into power - like Hillary. Power without restraint is a Marxist, Soviet concept. Constitutional restraints - including the 4th Amendment - is a conservative concept.

35 posted on 01/18/2006 8:49:49 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Howlin
When we were out side of the Murtha and Moran town meeting, the reasonable lefty I was talking to could not believe how much we donate to keep the FR running.
36 posted on 01/18/2006 8:49:57 AM PST by bmwcyle (As the left takes to the streets the too many lazy Freeper sleep)
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To: Perlstein

The only place these "conservatives" are leading us is over a cliff.


37 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:11 AM PST by beandog (Proud bRushbot)
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To: El Gato

Absolutely. As is Bob Barr -- hell, he was suppose to INTRODUCE Gore's speech on MOnday!


38 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:11 AM PST by Howlin
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To: churchillbuff
Conservatism used to be about putting limits on government's power. The conservatives who put out this press release still get it. A lot of freepers don't.

Yeah really, these "true conservatives" such as bob barr joining with al agore and moveon.org and singing Kumbya over the evil Bush is the ticket(eyes rolling).

39 posted on 01/18/2006 8:50:12 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: denydenydeny
I can well understand why Grover al-Norquist might have a problem with this, and it has nothing to do with being a "conservative."

I can well understand how real conservatives would have a problem with the executive branch performing warrantless searches. It's against the spirit of the constitution, and it puts us in danger if and when Hillary is in the White House.

40 posted on 01/18/2006 8:51:03 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Dane

Just reading that sentence makes my head almost explode.


41 posted on 01/18/2006 8:51:58 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Perlstein

Anyone have a link to that thread with the detailed information on all the EOs, case law, etc showing that the wiretapping is within the President's authority?

I've been hunting around for it, and it's probably right in front of my face, but I can't find it.

Thanks


42 posted on 01/18/2006 8:52:04 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: conserv13
So you are okay with warrantless wiretaps?

In the context of taps on international communications of those who have had previous communications with international terrorists. Yes indeed.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and it's protections do not extend to enemy combatants, spies or their supporters. Otherwise, if a foreign army took over part of the US, say the West Coast, we'd have to grant all their soldiers the right to keep and bear arms, the right of assembly, free press, etc. We could not conduct raids on their positions without a court order. Patently ridiculous of course, but that is where the logic of extending Constitutional protections to those with whom we are at war leads.

43 posted on 01/18/2006 8:53:13 AM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: tanknetter

Click on the keyword SPYING at the top of the Latest Posts page; maybe you can scroll through and find it that way.


44 posted on 01/18/2006 8:53:17 AM PST by Howlin
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Yeah really, these "true conservatives" such as bob barr joining with al agore and moveon.org and singing Kumbya over the evil Bush is the ticket(eyes rolling)."""

You're indulging in what logic professors call "ad hominem" argument. Instead of addressing the issue - the danger of putting unchecked power in the hands of any one branch of government - you're diverting the debate by focusing on the individuals the "hominem". Won't work. If Barr were complaining about Hillary snooping without judicial permission, I bet you wouldn't "roll your eyes" and say it's "Barr joingin with algore." But we're giving Hillary that power if we say that the current administration should have that power. I'm a conservative because I believe in constitutional restraints, no matter which party is in power. The other philosophy is just a form of Marxism - "no restraints on government as long as my guys are in power."

45 posted on 01/18/2006 8:54:12 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

I hope that you "well understand" that if these terrorists are not caught that you and we will suffer even more 9/11s. Waiting for the courts to issue a warrant will close the window for getting the information from their phone calls. The President took an oath to protect this country. He is doing just that. Instead of quibbling, you should be thanking him for living up to his oath.


46 posted on 01/18/2006 8:56:17 AM PST by Carolinamom (New member of Sam's Club)
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To: Perlstein

I hate liberals like yourself who post and run. Answer the mods question.


47 posted on 01/18/2006 8:56:18 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush and the SAPPS)
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To: churchillbuff

Name ONE CITIZEN who's been subjected to an unconstitutional search.............just curious.


48 posted on 01/18/2006 8:57:32 AM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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To: churchillbuff
You're indulging in what logic professors call "ad hominem" argument. Instead of addressing the issue - the danger of putting unchecked power in the hands of any one branch of government - you're diverting the debate by focusing on the individuals the "hominem".

Gee, I guess your "logic" says that bob barr and other "true conservatives" joining hands with moveon.org and al gore means nothing.

I deal in realities, obviously you don't.

49 posted on 01/18/2006 8:57:32 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Peach

THAT was my point, Peach. I've read "Infiltration."


50 posted on 01/18/2006 8:59:04 AM PST by goodnesswins (Here in the Seattle area.....It's time to build Arks.)
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