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Posted on 01/18/2006 8:10:29 AM PST by Perlstein
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Just reading that sentence makes my head almost explode.
Anyone have a link to that thread with the detailed information on all the EOs, case law, etc showing that the wiretapping is within the President's authority?
I've been hunting around for it, and it's probably right in front of my face, but I can't find it.
In the context of taps on international communications of those who have had previous communications with international terrorists. Yes indeed.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and it's protections do not extend to enemy combatants, spies or their supporters. Otherwise, if a foreign army took over part of the US, say the West Coast, we'd have to grant all their soldiers the right to keep and bear arms, the right of assembly, free press, etc. We could not conduct raids on their positions without a court order. Patently ridiculous of course, but that is where the logic of extending Constitutional protections to those with whom we are at war leads.
Click on the keyword SPYING at the top of the Latest Posts page; maybe you can scroll through and find it that way.
You're indulging in what logic professors call "ad hominem" argument. Instead of addressing the issue - the danger of putting unchecked power in the hands of any one branch of government - you're diverting the debate by focusing on the individuals the "hominem". Won't work. If Barr were complaining about Hillary snooping without judicial permission, I bet you wouldn't "roll your eyes" and say it's "Barr joingin with algore." But we're giving Hillary that power if we say that the current administration should have that power. I'm a conservative because I believe in constitutional restraints, no matter which party is in power. The other philosophy is just a form of Marxism - "no restraints on government as long as my guys are in power."
I hope that you "well understand" that if these terrorists are not caught that you and we will suffer even more 9/11s. Waiting for the courts to issue a warrant will close the window for getting the information from their phone calls. The President took an oath to protect this country. He is doing just that. Instead of quibbling, you should be thanking him for living up to his oath.
I hate liberals like yourself who post and run. Answer the mods question.
Name ONE CITIZEN who's been subjected to an unconstitutional search.............just curious.
Gee, I guess your "logic" says that bob barr and other "true conservatives" joining hands with moveon.org and al gore means nothing.
I deal in realities, obviously you don't.
THAT was my point, Peach. I've read "Infiltration."
The key word in the Constitution is "Unreasonable Searches".
Such protections were never intended for enemy combatants or their agents operating in the US.
My understanding is that the electronic surveillance was initiated on suspected terrorists on foreign shores. Any 'listening in' on conversations with Americans was incidental - meaning the suspected terrorist on foreign shores called the American.
I know that there are all kinds of threats out there -- and always have been, but that doesn't mean we get rid of the constitution. It would be neater, cleaner, and in a sense, safer, to let police go after all criminals without any constitutional restraint. That was true when the Constitution was written, too. But the Founders wanted this to be free country, not a police state.
If Hillary becomes president, I somehow suspect you won't be as enthusiastic for allowing government spying on people in the US without court permission. I certainly won't be enthusiastic about letting Hillary's goons do that -- but unlike you, I'm consistent. I don't want precedents created now - when our guys are in power - that could be used to undermine freedoms if Hillary gets in. That's what constitutionalism - and conservatism - are all about. A belief in the rule of law, no matter what party is in power. Marxism, on the other hand, believes - as some freepers seem to - that there should be no restraint on government, when "our guys" run the government.
What flaws? Of course the Patriot Act supporters know that Ms President Rodham will enjoy the use of precedent.
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Do you think that government should be required to get a warrant to wiretap the phones of suspected terrorists on foreign soil? (Not American citizens.)
That's not what is at issue. It's wiretaps on calls to or from the US. And the law is pretty loose - it lets the wiretaps happen first, and the investigators can get court approval retroactively. But the administration, reportedly, hasn't even done that in some cases. Yes, it worries me, because I could see myself wiretapped by Hillary's people if she gets power (the way Bill's IRS went after conservatives). And when I complained, Hillary would say, there's precedent for wiretapping domestically without warrant - - and FREEPERS ARE FOR IT!
Like stated earlier, we don't need to commit suicide to keep our rights.
Hillary et al are corrupt, and they will do anything (and already have) to maintain their power base. She and her ilk are the dangerous ones. Gore and these so-called conservatives are way off base.