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Fair Share law a Trojan horse
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | January 18, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 01/18/2006 10:18:18 AM PST by Graybeard58

If politicians owned companies and ran them the way they run their governments, they'd be out of business in short order. Reckless and impulsive, they are famous for spending wastefully, charging too much for what they deliver and maxing out their credit lines, and then having the gall to dictate repeatedly how private businesses should be run.

Overriding a gubernatorial veto, Maryland lawmakers last week passed the Fair Share Health Care law, which orders companies with 10,000 or more workers to spend 8 percent of their payrolls on employee health benefits or put equivalent sums in the state Med-icaid fund.

This law is an unsubtle shot at Wal-Mart, the bane of unions and others who believe profits are evil health-care insurance is an entitlement. Among their allies is WakeUpWalMart.com, which is dedicated to "changing the way Wal-Mart" does business by substituting failed socialism for spectacularly successful capitalism.

Wal-Mart won't abandon Maryland over this, but it certainly will be less eager to expand there, and it will have to restructure its work force and rework its employment practices. Layoffs, hiring and wage freezes, and job losses for lower-income workers will be among the consequences. Price increases also are possible.

The law also will hamper economic development by sending a message to large employers that labor-loving legislators are gunning for them. This law is bad for business, but worse for low-wage workers.

All this is relevant to Connecticut because it will be one of the 30 states where Fair Share will be introduced this year.

Recall last year how our socialist legislature failed to approve an anti-jobs bill that would have taxed employers of 20 or more if their health benefits were not as generous as those of state employees. A bill more specifically targeting Wal-Mart would have a better of passage chance in a state renowned for its anti-business attitude.

Fair Share is the first step toward forcing businesses to bestow costly public-employee-style benefits on all their workers. Once enacted, the law can be amended to capture smaller companies, dictate coverage throughout the private sector and increase the amounts companies must spend on insurance.

Politicians may be horrendous fiscal administrators, but they are skilled incrementalists.

America is overdue for a sane, comprehensive discussion of health-care reform. Fair Share only makes a bad situation worse and hurts the very people it is supposed to help.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: fairshare; marxism; socializedmedicine; walmart
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1 posted on 01/18/2006 10:18:19 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

I would close up if I were Wal-Mart and leave them to their wares.


2 posted on 01/18/2006 10:25:35 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Graybeard58

if I was Wal-Mart, i'd layoff all but 9999 employees, close the stores that would bring the worst impact, and publicly add a 10% state surcharge on every item sold.

and I'd inform the people that unless the law was repealled, i'd never hire another employee until one quits, retires, or is fired.


3 posted on 01/18/2006 10:36:56 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: One Proud Dad

Someone is going to pay for this healthcare...That's an American given...

Wal-Mart hire millions of 'part time' employees to avoid paying any benefits...That includes insurance and unemployment benefits...

We're going to pay for healthcare thru higher prices, or higher taxes...That's a given...

I'd just as soon have the choice of paying or not paying...If I don't buy, I don't pay sounds better to me...Just like the 'fair tax' everybody seems to like lately...

This is a great country...It costs to do business here...


4 posted on 01/18/2006 10:37:34 AM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Iscool

"Wal-Mart hire millions of 'part time' employees to avoid paying any benefits..."

BS. Fact: Wal-Mart offers affordable health care coverage to both its full and part-time associates.

http://www.walmartfacts.com/newsdesk/wal-mart-fact-sheets.aspx#a22


5 posted on 01/18/2006 10:47:29 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Graybeard58
Moving away from a government or tax payer funded health care system, to a employer/consumer funded system is a smart move in the right direction.
6 posted on 01/18/2006 10:47:48 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Iscool
"Someone is going to pay for this healthcare"

That someone should the recipient of the healthcare, but the socialist legislatures don't understand this simple free market concept.

You seem to imply that you are ok with this law. If so, I think you are on the wrong board. People seem to forget that old Europe has these same types of "costs of doing business" (too generous of benefits, etc.) and the unemployment there is double digits. Governments cannot force costs on businesses without dire economic results.
7 posted on 01/18/2006 10:48:32 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: camle

Bingo - Walmart will close enough stores to go under 10,000 - guaranteed.


8 posted on 01/18/2006 10:50:19 AM PST by mobyss
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To: Realism
"Moving away from a government or tax payer funded health care system, to a employer/consumer funded system is a smart move in the right direction."

Governement imposed employer/consumer healthcare is just as bad, if not worse, than government health care. The government should stay completely out of heath care (except for the poor), including not mandating that employers to provide health care.

We need to put the health care costs back where it should be--with the recipient. Each person should pay his or her own health care and get a tax deduction for paying for it.
9 posted on 01/18/2006 10:52:11 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Iscool

Trust me I am no fan of Wal-Mart, but once Padora's Box is open what other kind of assinine laws will be see targeted at specific retailers who are just smarter than their competitors.


10 posted on 01/18/2006 10:58:14 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: Hendrix
You seem to imply that you are ok with this law. If so, I think you are on the wrong board.

Whats your definition of socialism? A program paid for using public funds (Social Security, Medicaid, aka sittin on the couch)or employment based / funded program aka working for you benefits?

11 posted on 01/18/2006 10:59:49 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Hendrix
The Three Great Economic Truths!:

All Taxes Are Payed By The People Who Cannot Pass Them Any Lower!
A "Benefit" Is Something Your Employer Paid For With Your Money!
The Price Of Your "Free Lunch" Can Be Found In The Price Of Your Beer!
12 posted on 01/18/2006 11:05:57 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Realism
Forcing employers to pay for extra social benefits, such as healthcare, retirement, etc., is a form of socialism that is used in Europe (check out France, Germany, etc.). Think about it: the government can tax the heck out of businesses and use the money for socialism, or the government can do the same thing by just making the businesses provide the same social benefits. To answer your question: both are socialism. If you cannot see that then you don't know much about European socialism.
13 posted on 01/18/2006 11:07:22 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Realism
Whats your definition of socialism?

How about a government mandated social program.

14 posted on 01/18/2006 11:07:53 AM PST by green iguana
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To: cartoonistx
"All Taxes Are Payed By The People Who Cannot Pass Them Any Lower!
A "Benefit" Is Something Your Employer Paid For With Your Money!
The Price Of Your "Free Lunch" Can Be Found In The Price Of Your Beer!"

All of that is true, and what you are really saying is that all the costs are just a tax on us individually, which is true. Personally, I am against unnecessary taxes.
15 posted on 01/18/2006 11:10:21 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: mobyss

and i would select carefully those to close making sure they made the worst possible impact upon the local economies.

WM needs to see this as the opening salvo of a bigger attack, and tailor it's response to the idea of making other states think tqwice before doing the same thing.

kinda like the insurance companies in california after that state required them to lower rates.


16 posted on 01/18/2006 11:13:51 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Graybeard58

The Peoples' Republic of Maryland is at it again...


17 posted on 01/18/2006 11:20:20 AM PST by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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To: Hendrix
To answer your question: both are socialism.

Yes, only by the fact that it is government mandated not competition driven. Health care enrollment must be boosted to lower costs, thats the only cure for the health care problem.

18 posted on 01/18/2006 11:26:25 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Iscool
This is a great country...It costs to do business here...

And then people wonder why companies outsource... They wonder why everything they buy is made in China, and why when you call computer support it rings in India or Pakistan.

This ain't rocket science.... it's just business...
19 posted on 01/18/2006 11:32:46 AM PST by darbymcgill
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To: Hendrix
Each person should pay his or her own health care and get a tax deduction for paying for it.

A tax deduction for paying your own health care? Isn't that a contradiction.

20 posted on 01/18/2006 11:35:05 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: darbymcgill
And then people wonder why companies outsource... They wonder why everything they buy is made in China

This isn't China or India, I'd like to keep it that way. I'd rather see them rise to our level than us lowering our selves to their level.

21 posted on 01/18/2006 11:38:44 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

How do you figure?

YOU earn your money. Money you spend for your housing and health can be deductible from your total taxable rate.

Your money does not belong to the government to allocate back to you and your neighbors as legislators "see fit".


22 posted on 01/18/2006 11:40:24 AM PST by weegee (Jan 16, 2006 - Happy holiday.)
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To: Graybeard58; P-Marlowe; jude24
America is overdue for a sane, comprehensive discussion of health-care reform. Fair Share only makes a bad situation worse and hurts the very people it is supposed to help.

No business should be required to give any kind of benefit. A benefit is, by definition, an extra that is above the standard.

Benefits are bestowed by companies in order to retain valued employees. If a company wishes not to use "benefits" and chooses other ways to retain employees or if it even chooses not to use benefits at all, then all we are witnessing are different ways of running a business.

Similar to tipping a waiter/waitress, the whole point is lost if government begins to require businesses to spend in this or that area.

Why not require the business to pay double for its raw materials? A government could require that. Why don't they?

Likewise, there is no earthly, logical reason that says the workplace is where one should acquire health benefits.

23 posted on 01/18/2006 12:01:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: camle
spend 8 percent of their payrolls on employee health benefits

Sure, easy.

Cut take home pay across the board by 8% and then use it to pay this stupid tax.

24 posted on 01/18/2006 12:03:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: camle
WM needs to see this as the opening salvo of a bigger attack, and tailor it's response to the idea of making other states think tqwice before doing the same thing.

30 states are currently considering similar laws.

26 posted on 01/18/2006 12:05:31 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: darbymcgill
And then people wonder why companies outsource... They wonder why everything they buy is made in China, and why when you call computer support it rings in India or Pakistan.

This ain't rocket science.... it's just business...

Sure...They don't have regulations in China...Is that your cure??? If only we would work for pennies on the hour and be willing to dump our sewage and chemicals into the lakes and rivers, then you pro business, anti people types wouldn't have a reason to move to China...

Sorry, that may your American dream but it's not mine...I'm willing to pay what it costs to be an American...

27 posted on 01/18/2006 12:05:44 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: weegee
YOU earn your money.

I hate taxes as much as anyone, and would like to keep all that I earn, but the reality is that one mans pork is another mans job creation, health care or education for the poor, security for the needy, infrastructure for a state, city or town, on and on.

28 posted on 01/18/2006 12:08:59 PM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: typos
We have NEVER had government-funded health care in this country.

We will, soon. Well, your not Canadian are you. Thanks for helping me make my point.

29 posted on 01/18/2006 12:15:13 PM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Hendrix
You seem to imply that you are ok with this law. If so, I think you are on the wrong board.

The Wal Mart family makes billions...Their upper echelon managers make scores of millions of bucks...

But they (and you) have decided I should pay more in taxes to insure THEIR employees and pay for the food stamps THEIR employees require to feed their kids in order that the Wal Mart owners can become even more wealthy...

And the Wal Mart 'family' has already destroyed thousands upon thousands of American jobs to be able to wallow in as much money as they possibly can...

30 posted on 01/18/2006 12:17:17 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: typos

Yep, and the corporations are winning the whose going to foot the bill game hands down over the taxpayer.


32 posted on 01/18/2006 12:34:48 PM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: typos
"No one likes to pay taxes. Do you like having the services? I would bet my last dollar that the people who scream the loudest about paying taxes would be the first ones to scream if services were cut."

Forced redistribution of wealth is not taxing for services, it is communism.

33 posted on 01/18/2006 12:46:48 PM PST by joebuck
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To: Iscool; Gabz
Pinging Gabz - Here we go again.

The Wal Mart family makes billions...Their upper echelon managers make scores of millions of bucks...

So what?

More power to them.

But they (and you) have decided I should pay more in taxes to insure THEIR employees and pay for the food stamps

Would you pay less in taxes or more if Wal-Mart didn't employ them at all?

Your arguments are the same as every socialist Wal-Mart basher who comes along.

34 posted on 01/18/2006 12:47:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Iscool
The Wal Mart family makes billions...Their upper echelon managers make scores of millions of bucks...

Do you really think that Wal Mart owners and managers are going to pay this new "tax"... This is economics 101... The customer "always" pays...

The title of this thread is perfect. Why doesn't the MD government just come out and be honest. Just tell the customers of WalMart upfront. If you shop at Wal Mart you will be taxed at a higher level then if you shop from Mom and Pop. Tell the people of MD that the Mom and Pop stores are getting welfare by not having to pay the Wal Mart tax.

But they (and you) have decided I should pay more in taxes to insure THEIR employees and pay for the food stamps THEIR employees require to feed their kids in order that the Wal Mart owners can become even more wealthy..

If you and/or the Wal Mart employees can't afford to raise a family on what you earn. Don't have a family that you can't afford, get a better job, and don't complain about those who worked harder than you and make more money.
35 posted on 01/18/2006 12:51:12 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: One Proud Dad
A better idea would be to show the increased cost to the consumer on their receipts. Add a line item after the sales tax that reads "State Mandated Health Care Surcharge for Wal-Mart Customers".
36 posted on 01/18/2006 12:51:51 PM PST by Redcloak ("Shiny... Let's be bad guys.")
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To: typos
We have NEVER had government-funded health care in this country.

That's one of the most absurd statements that I've ever seen on FR. Who do you think funds MediCal in California or TennCare in Tennessee and any number of other state programs whose names I don't know?

37 posted on 01/18/2006 12:55:35 PM PST by Bob
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To: Bob

Former socialist "typos" is history.


40 posted on 01/18/2006 1:05:19 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: darbymcgill
The customer "always" pays...

Kinda like a sales tax or a consumer tax or "Fair Tax" Health care insurance should be mandatory!

41 posted on 01/18/2006 1:09:41 PM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Graybeard58

Fair/unfair--Subjective.
Right/wrong--Objective.


42 posted on 01/18/2006 1:11:00 PM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Graybeard58
Would you pay less in taxes or more if Wal-Mart didn't employ them at all?

Neither...Wal Mart didn't create any jobs...Wal Mart is selling products that other American retailers used to sell to Americans, made by Americans

... Your arguments are the same as every socialist Wal-Mart basher who comes along.

Like it or not, without a little socialism, you'd be driving to work on wagon trails and your neighbor's sewage may be running down the trail in front of your house...You love a little bit ot socialism just like everyone else does...You just want someone else to pay for it...Or would you really enjoy living in China (outside of the gated communities)???

43 posted on 01/18/2006 1:11:34 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: darbymcgill
Do you really think that Wal Mart owners and managers are going to pay this new "tax"... This is economics 101... The customer "always" pays...

You are repeating what I said at the beginning...If Wal Mart pays, the taxpayer has the choice on whether to pay by buying Wal Mart products, or not...

44 posted on 01/18/2006 1:13:49 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Redcloak
Add a line item after the sales tax that reads "State Mandated Health Care Surcharge for Wal-Mart Customers".

They tried that with the "universal service" tax on the phone bill. The regulators refused to allow them to indicate on the bills that it was a tax. The phone companies were forced to display the charges as though they were getting the money. Read the fine print on your phone bills some time and check out the charges not shown as taxes... particularly the universal service charge. It is a tax to pay for Al Gore's Internet, old people to have phones, economic rural phone service etc... More welfare..
45 posted on 01/18/2006 1:14:33 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: Realism
Health care insurance should be mandatory!

Mandatory to whom?
46 posted on 01/18/2006 1:17:43 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: Graybeard58
Former socialist "typos" is history.

Somehow, I'm not the least bit surprised. I'd describe him as a "former troll and current socialist", though.

47 posted on 01/18/2006 1:20:18 PM PST by Bob
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To: Iscool
If Wal Mart pays, the taxpayer has the choice on whether to pay by buying Wal Mart products, or not...

The customer has always had a choice... (guess who they chose?) just like the employees had/have a choice (guess who they've chosen?). Why would you take away Wal Mart's choice simply because they have more money...

Your envy is showing....
48 posted on 01/18/2006 1:21:15 PM PST by darbymcgill
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To: Iscool
You love a little bit ot socialism just like everyone else does...You just want someone else to pay for it...Or would you really enjoy living in China

You are dead wrong. I am not the one advocating taxing Wal-Mart for being successful - you are.

The Wal Mart family makes billions...Their upper echelon managers make scores of millions of bucks

What is that? Jealousy?

49 posted on 01/18/2006 1:22:14 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Excellent article.

This entire issue is starting to get very interesting..........it's amazing how so many don't see the big picture, because this targets the big Evil WalMart and so that is good.


50 posted on 01/18/2006 1:23:57 PM PST by Gabz
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