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UK: Secret gun fuels gun culture fears in East End
East London Advertiser (UK) ^ | 1/18/06 | n/a

Posted on 01/19/2006 10:31:40 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Secret gun fuels gun culture fears in East End

18 January 2006

Concealed keyring gun

A gun disguised as a matchbox size keyring has fuelled new fears on gun culture in the East End

The double-barrelled pistol, capable of firing 9mm rounds was found at the flat of teenager Charles Yeboah, after he was arrested in connection with a spree of armed car-jackings in Mile End and Bethnal Green.

Det Insp Kevin Baldwin of Bethnal Green robbery squad said: "I've never seen anything like this before. “It could kill you."

The weapon was uncovered along with a ballbearing-firing replica pistol, CS gas and £60,000 of crack cocaine at Yeboah's flat in Homerton.

Yeboah was jailed for six-and-a-half years at Southwark Crown Court last week after admitting firearm and drug offences.

The keyring gun is believed to come from eastern Europe, It was originally used with blanks and gas cartridges for personal defence but has been altered to fire live rounds.

The first 'key ring' gun found in Britain was at Heathrow Airport in 1998 and nicknamed 'the Wasp.'

Barrister David Dyson, a firearms consultant specialising in firearms cases, said: "I've seen four or five in the past few years which are well made, well machined - and lethal. The big problem is accuracy, as there's no real way to grip or aim them, unlike handguns. But at point blank range or even from across the street, they will kill you.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 01/19/2006 10:31:42 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
--"for every action , there is an opposite and equal reaction"--

I'd like to watch somebody else shoot one of those--

2 posted on 01/19/2006 10:34:07 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: kiriath_jearim

“It could kill you."

Wonder what this cop thinks weapons are for?


3 posted on 01/19/2006 10:35:48 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Det Insp Kevin Baldwin of Bethnal Green robbery squad said: "I've never seen anything like this before. “It could kill you."

Brit pansies.


4 posted on 01/19/2006 10:35:49 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: kiriath_jearim
"An armed society is a polite society". This is a perfect example of entrepreneurship.
5 posted on 01/19/2006 10:37:22 AM PST by dljordan
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To: kiriath_jearim
Kinda reminds me of the old pillbox revolvers of the old west.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
6 posted on 01/19/2006 10:37:23 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

But, but, but.....I thought that guns were ILLEGAL in Britan. Surely, there must have been some sort of a misprint, here.


7 posted on 01/19/2006 10:37:52 AM PST by wbill
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Pillbox revolver. My thought exactly. Some Derringer-type weapon.

Not exactly long range, but better than a broken beer bottle.

8 posted on 01/19/2006 10:39:16 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

Muslim derringer?


9 posted on 01/19/2006 10:40:53 AM PST by Concho
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeboah, taken into custody in conjunction with a string of recent crimes in London, was seen leaving his flat in police custody, his right arm in a plaster cast up to the elbow. The young miscreant appeared to be in some considerable pain.


10 posted on 01/19/2006 10:42:40 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: kiriath_jearim

You'd have to be really really scared of guns to be worried that this thing is gonna take over the culture and kill you.


11 posted on 01/19/2006 10:44:36 AM PST by wildbill
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeh - I don't think I'm going to be holding that thing when it goes off. But if everyone else around you only has a knife..."in the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king."


12 posted on 01/19/2006 10:47:34 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: kiriath_jearim

Carry in a safe place. Be sure to wear your bulletproof underpants..


13 posted on 01/19/2006 10:49:07 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Secret gun fuels gun culture

Sounds like a plague!

14 posted on 01/19/2006 10:50:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (I have a Chinese family renting an apartment from me. They are lo mein tenants.)
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To: wildbill
You'd have to be really really scared of guns......

......and thusly, England was born.

15 posted on 01/19/2006 10:51:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (I have a Chinese family renting an apartment from me. They are lo mein tenants.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

looks like a butane lighter. lighter's are dangerouse, they can lead to smoking.


16 posted on 01/19/2006 10:53:58 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: rellimpank

Long, long ago in a place far, far away across a very big pond I had a 9mm ball point pen.


17 posted on 01/19/2006 10:54:18 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Billthedrill
"But if everyone else around you only has a knife..."

Actually I bet on someone skilled with a blade, especially throwing a blade, over someone with this thing anyday. I can't see someone hitting a moving taget with that thing other than by sheer luck. This gun only works at close range with a target who doesn't know it's coming.

18 posted on 01/19/2006 10:56:42 AM PST by joebuck
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To: kiriath_jearim
If you had no other options, this this might be useful. I wouldn't carry it loaded in my pocket. Frankly, I prefer my S&W 640 with 125 gr JHP .357 mag HydraShoks. It's not going to blow off a part of my body when bumped in my pocket. The 640 is my smallest choice of personal defense devices.
19 posted on 01/19/2006 10:58:19 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Rakkasan1

Lighters don't merely "lead to" smoking, they cause it! Studies show many people start smoking within minutes or sometimes seconds after purchasing a new lighter.


20 posted on 01/19/2006 11:01:52 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: edcoil

?It could kill you."


Or put your eye out./snicker


21 posted on 01/19/2006 11:03:03 AM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"The weapon was uncovered along with a ballbearing-firing replica pistol"

Translation: A BB gun.
Let's send the UK a few million pairs of Neuticles(TM).

22 posted on 01/19/2006 11:10:14 AM PST by 10mm
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To: edcoil
Guns are simple devices easily manufactured by anyone with a modicum of skill and a few metal working tools. Even propellants can be made out of commonly available chemicals.

Even if the lefties could put an end to smuggling (very doubtful) they will never stop criminals from obtaining guns. Not that stopping criminals is the point....

23 posted on 01/19/2006 11:34:01 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: All

I want that!!!


24 posted on 01/19/2006 11:37:56 AM PST by JoeBob (If you live like sheep the wolves will eat you.)
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To: Myrddin
The 640 is my smallest choice of personal defense devices.

Oh come on... Model 360. But at 12 oz unloaded, it does kick a bit...

25 posted on 01/19/2006 12:17:43 PM PST by green iguana
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To: kiriath_jearim

I see your key-chain "gun"

and

raise by one 1911 loaded with PowRball!

and now who is twiggled in a nitpouch?!?

Cheers!

Top sends


26 posted on 01/19/2006 12:29:13 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: Mad_as_heck

Yep. I've been thinking about building myself a target pistol in .17 HMR. I'm in the machine tool business, so it shouldn't be too hard.


27 posted on 01/19/2006 12:33:03 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: kiriath_jearim; backhoe
The first 'key ring' gun found in Britain was at Heathrow Airport in 1998 and nicknamed 'the Wasp.'

Here's someone who's never run across one of Mitch WerBel's old *stinger* hideout weapons.


28 posted on 01/19/2006 12:33:44 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"When they kick at your front door

How Ya gonna come

with your hand on your 'ead

or the trigger of your gun!"


29 posted on 01/19/2006 12:40:23 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: archy

Stinger bttt^


30 posted on 01/19/2006 12:44:09 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Clemenza

on the trigger of my gun :)


That's a good song, by the Clash. (guns of brixton)


31 posted on 01/19/2006 12:51:39 PM PST by Hill of Tara
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To: green iguana
Re your post 25, I have something similar, the S&W Airweight in .32 magnum caliber. Bought it for the wifey. She finds it just the right gun (no automatics for her, racking slides is a bit of a problem).

It does have a bit of a kick. If she were to be attacked, perhaps just one, though.

32 posted on 01/19/2006 12:51:49 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: edcoil
“It could kill you."

Wonder what this cop thinks weapons are for?

That quote jumped out at me, too. Yeah, I'd have to agree that a couple 9's pumped into you would do the job, all right.

33 posted on 01/19/2006 12:54:55 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Myrddin

340PD. First round is .38+p then fire for effect with four rounds .357.


34 posted on 01/19/2006 12:56:29 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: archy

Hey! this is a family site! ;-)


35 posted on 01/19/2006 12:58:33 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: kiriath_jearim

36 posted on 01/19/2006 12:59:16 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Gotta have one of those!!!!


37 posted on 01/19/2006 1:00:20 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: OldPossum
S&W Airweight in .32 magnum caliber.

How do you like that? I was thinking about buying one for giggles. I think I can get one for about $450 out the door or $550 with a laser.

We bought a 640 for my wife and she just flat didn't like it. She wouldn't tell me though. It was only after I got her a Glock 19 would she go to the range with me :-)

38 posted on 01/19/2006 1:00:54 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: green iguana
The 640 is my smallest choice of personal defense devices.

I purchased the 640 before the 360 was invented. The heavier stainless steel reduces the felt recoil. A little weight savings is no big deal when you consider the other end of my revolver preferences weighs in at 82 oz unloaded. I can shoot that one-handed.

39 posted on 01/19/2006 5:08:25 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: VeniVidiVici
340PD. First round is .38+p then fire for effect with four rounds .357.

Perfectly good plan. My "grab" box actually has the 686+ 7-round .357msg with 4" barrel loaded with the previously referenced HydraShoks. The 640 is currently filled with Nyclad rounds.

I will consider myself fortunate if the only thing contacted by my rounds is the X ring in a paper target. The legal morass that follows a defensive shooting is very time consuming and expensive.

40 posted on 01/19/2006 5:13:59 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: kiriath_jearim

I wouldn't fire that thing for a hundred dollars.


41 posted on 01/19/2006 5:17:51 PM PST by yarddog
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To: VeniVidiVici
Well, it meets my wife's requirements. It's small, a little over 6 inches in length and weighs in the area of 13 ounces. I can't give a precise weight since my scale is acting a bit funny this morning. Perfect for someone with small hands.

Its most appealing feature to her is that it is a revolver; my wife has weak hands, inadequate to rack just about anything other than our S&W 422 .22 semi-automatic, but that's not a self-defense gun.

It's certainly not the most accurate handgun but adequate enough to plug a BG at close quarters, which is the situation one would expect to have to use it. And I have read that the .32 magnum round is a stopper (just a little smaller than a .38).

I paid $400 (new) for it at a gun show about a year ago.

42 posted on 01/20/2006 5:57:39 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: rellimpank

It probably kicks less than a S&W Scandium .357 at 11 oz.


43 posted on 01/20/2006 5:59:23 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim ("We're a meat-based society.")
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To: Myrddin
I know you said your choice - and I wasn't trying to infer it was a bad one... I just like showing off the 360.

the other end of my revolver preferences weighs in at 82 oz unloaded

Hope you got a sling for that. ;-) 460XVR?

BTW, I've shot the 360 one-handed. Bit of a challenge being real accurate that way (at least for me...)

44 posted on 01/20/2006 6:09:02 AM PST by green iguana
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To: OldPossum

Thanks. My wife likes her G19 but finds it impractical to carry so she bought a Tomcat. She loves it but I worry about stopping power. She didn't like the recoil of the 640 so maybe the .32mag would be better.

I pick up a 357PD tomorrow. .41mag. No, it's not the same size as the 340PD :-)


45 posted on 01/20/2006 7:28:54 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (What? Me worry?)
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To: green iguana
Hope you got a sling for that. ;-) 460XVR?

The big boys are the S&W Performance Center model of the Hunter 500 Magnum, S&W Performance Center model of the Hunter 460XVR and a Magnum Research BFR 45-70 with 10" barrel. Both S&Ws have the sling and rug. The really sad news is that I have been too busy to even shoot the 460. I've had it for 6 months. My wife purchased a new Ruger MKIII .22 pistol with the fancy fluted barrel. That one hasn't been shot yet either. Today is also the day the gate combination gets changed at the range. I spent $38 and only managed to spend 2 hours at the range last year. I have to spend that again today for the next year.

My big boys in the Ruger line are 7.5" barrel models of the .454 Casull and 480 Ruger. The big revolvers are principally intended for either handgun hunting or backup when hunting large, dangerous animals with a rifle. Given all my spare time, the "animals" tend to be metallic silhouettes. They magically appear when it is convenient for me to do some plinking, and don't delay me too much on the way for a good steak at the local restaurant :-)

46 posted on 01/20/2006 9:44:28 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: SJSAMPLE
Brit pansies. <pLOL I dont mind you calling me a pansy as long as I can call you a lard assed gut bucket yank
47 posted on 01/23/2006 8:10:45 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: wbill
re :But, but, but.....I thought that guns were ILLEGAL in Britan.

I know I read that the USA has a drug gang culture but aint drugs illegal in America.

48 posted on 01/23/2006 8:12:27 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
Sure, the illegalization of drugs has made them all go away completely. Just like the illegalization of guns in NYC, or of murder in Detroit.

/sarcasm

49 posted on 01/23/2006 8:41:32 AM PST by wbill
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To: RTINSC
Carry in a safe place. Be sure to wear your bulletproof underpants..

Same thought occurred to me. The one most likely to be hurt is the one carrying this in his pocket. Ouch.

50 posted on 01/23/2006 8:46:50 AM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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