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Remembering Two Great Americans
EverVigilant.net ^ | 01/19/2006 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 01/19/2006 11:20:56 AM PST by sheltonmac

You probably won't find anything special printed on your calendar for the 19th and 21st of January. In case you are wondering, those are the respective birthdays of Generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson.

As a nation we have already honored Martin Luther King, Jr., and will commemorate the birthdays of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln next month, but Lee and Jackson are especially dear to my heart. They were great men who embodied the inspiring courage, uncompromising honesty, principled conviction and moral fortitude we no longer see in our leaders today.

Both Lee and Jackson were men of action who fought valiantly to defend their homes and families. Jackson made it clear that if it were up to him, the South would "raise the black flag" and show no quarter to the enemy invading their homeland. They realized that while war was sometimes necessary, it should never be entered into lightly. As Lee put it, "It is good that war is so terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."

Lee and Jackson were Southern gents through and through. Consider Lee's Definition of a Gentleman:

Jackson's wife, Mary Anna, wrote of her husband that he "was a great advocate for marriage, appreciating the gentler sex so highly that whenever he met one of the 'unappropriated blessings' under the type of truest womanhood, he would wish that one of his bachelor friends could be fortunate to win her."

Both Lee and Jackson believed in principle over pragmatism. Lee once said, "I think it better to do right, even if we suffer in so doing, than to incur the reproach of our consciences and posterity." Jackson summed it up this way: "Duty is ours; consequences are God's."

Jackson never lived to see the fall of his beloved South, but Lee was gracious even in defeat. When approached by those who wished to remain bitter after surrendering he said, "Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans." It was his position that "we must forgive our enemies. I can truly say that not a day has passed since the war began that I have not prayed for them."

Above all, Lee and Jackson were men of God. Lee loved to pray. He would be sure to let people know that he was praying for them, and he felt encouraged when he was remembered in their prayers. Once, upon hearing that others had been praying for him, he remarked, "I sincerely thank you for that, and I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone, and that I need all the prayers you can offer for me."

Jackson was the epitome of a life devoted to prayer. No matter was too insignificant that it did not warrant communion with the Father: "I have so fixed the habit in my mind that I never raise a glass of water to my lips without asking God's blessing, never seal a letter without putting a word of prayer under the seal, never take a letter from the post without a brief sending of my thoughts heavenward. I never change my classes in the lecture room without a minute's petition for the cadets who go out and for those who come in."

Jackson had an intimate knowledge of the sovereignty of God and rested in the promises of his Heavenly Father. Following the loss of his first wife, Ellie, who died almost immediately after giving birth to a stillborn son, he wrote to his sister-in-law, "I have been called to pass through the deep waters of affliction, but all has been satisfied. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord. … I can willingly submit to anything if God strengthens me." It was this unshakeable faith that taught him "to feel as safe in battle as in bed."

The more I see what passes for leadership today in our government, in our churches and in our homes, the more I am convinced that we need men like Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. Jackson. I guess it's time for me to watch Gods and Generals again.


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1 posted on 01/19/2006 11:20:57 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: stainlessbanner; dljordan; Da Bilge Troll; nolu chan; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; ..
Lee-Jackson ping


2 posted on 01/19/2006 11:21:50 AM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: sheltonmac

The days have long passed in this country where it could raise up a Lee OR a Jackson.


3 posted on 01/19/2006 11:24:37 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: sheltonmac
Just took a gander at DU. To them this whole OBL tape (and the timing thereof) is a BUSH PLOT.

Dummy declares "I'm just not buying this tape because logic dictates that this means that Osama is working for BushCo."

4 posted on 01/19/2006 11:25:15 AM PST by Smedley
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To: groanup; NerdDad; chesley; bourbon; LibertarianInExile; Nasty McPhilthy; injin; McCainMutiny; ...

Another great article from Sheltonmac


5 posted on 01/19/2006 11:27:13 AM PST by stainlessbanner (^W^)
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To: sheltonmac

I saw "Great Americans" and I thought the article was about Sean Hannity. ;^)


6 posted on 01/19/2006 11:31:00 AM PST by loreldan (Lincoln, Reagan, & G. W. Bush - the cure for Democrat lunacy.)
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To: sheltonmac
"As a nation we have already honored Martin Luther King, Jr., and will commemorate the birthdays of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln next month,"

Alas neither Lincoln nor Washington have a day to themselves to be commemorated only some bizarre federal festival of the mind called 'President's Day'. What does President's Day mean, that we hail Millard Fillmore (worthy man though he was) as the equal of Washington and Lincoln. Let us at least have a Washington/Lincoln Day if we cannot mange to go back to setting aside Jan 22 and Feb 12 to hail the men who forged the union and who held it together.
7 posted on 01/19/2006 11:34:51 AM PST by robowombat
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To: sheltonmac

God Bless "Marse Robert" and "Stonewall" Jackson


8 posted on 01/19/2006 11:37:05 AM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: sheltonmac; stainlessbanner; stand watie
Has anybody here seen my old friend Stonewall?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He led a lot of people,
But it seems the good they die young.
You know, I just looked around and he's gone.



Anybody here seen my old friend Nathan?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He led a lot of people,
But it seems the good they die young.
I just looked around and he's gone.



Anybody here seen my old friend John?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He led a lot of people,
But it seems the good they die young.
I just looked 'round and he's gone.


Didn't you love the things that they stood for?
Didn't they try to find some good for you and me?
And we'll be free
Some day soon, and it's a-gonna be one day ...

Anybody here seen my old friend Robert?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up over the hill,
With Stonewall, Nathan and John.



9 posted on 01/19/2006 11:37:31 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: robowombat

I do not celebrate or acknowledge MLK day and neither does my company. It frustrates me that banks and the Post Office do.


10 posted on 01/19/2006 11:39:41 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: robowombat

We should however have a Reagan day.


11 posted on 01/19/2006 11:40:13 AM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: archy

'Has anybody here seen'


That's wonderful.


12 posted on 01/19/2006 11:50:34 AM PST by swmobuffalo (the only good terrorist is a dead one)
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To: sheltonmac; stainlessbanner
Thanks for the ping gentlemen . . . here are some pics and comments from out trip to Virginia last Summer. We visited a number of the CW battlefields.

With 18 brigades (over 30,000) they crossed into Fredericksburg, then a canal and into an open field. They marched in columns 300-400 yards for 8hrs and were slaughtered like sheep. The Irish Brigade was able to get within 50yrds. Not the original stone wall along Sunken Rd., but the original remaining “open field” a victim to development.

The only remaining part of the original wall. During the battle it was 500yrds long as high as 6ft. and made for a perfect breastwork.

On May 2, 1863 Lee and Jackson meet for the last time at 8AM here at Furnace Rd. and Old Plank Rd.

As sunset comes and night begins to fall Jackson makes the decision to recon Old Mountain Rd. but when the 18th North Carolina fire upon stragglers from the Union, their volley hits Jackson in three places. Here is where Jackson was hit on Old Mt. Rd.

Finally, from the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, VA., this is the frock worn by Robert E. Lee during the signing of surrender at the McClean house. This was a brand new frock that he wore (departing from his customary garb) because he wanted to depart wearing the uniform of a Confederate General. That is his saber and scabbard which the display said was never offered during the surrender nor did Grant ever request it. Finally, the pen he signed with.


13 posted on 01/19/2006 11:51:03 AM PST by w_over_w (Just because kittens were born in a oven, doesn't make them muffins.)
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To: stainlessbanner

THE SWORD OF ROBERT LEE by Abram Joseph Ryan (1839-1894)

Forth from its scabbard, pure and bright,
Flashed the sword of Lee!
Far in the front of the deadly fight,
High o'er the brave in the cause of Right
Its stainless sheen, like a beacon light,
Led us to Victory!

Out of its scabbard, where, full long,
It slumbered peacefully,
Roused from its rest by the battle's song,
Shielding the feeble, smiting the strong,
Guarding the right, avenging the wrong,
Gleamed the sword of Lee!

Forth from its scabbard, high in the air
Beneath Virginia's sky--
And they who saw it gleaming there,
And knew who bore it, knelt to swear
That where that sword led they would dare
To follow--and to die!

Out of its scabbard! Never hand
Waved sword from stain as free,
Nor purer sword led braver band,
Nor braver bled for a brighter land,
Nor brighter land had a cause so grand,
Nor cause a chief like Lee!

Forth from its scabbard! How we prayed
That sword might victor be;
And when our triumph was delayed,
And many a heart grew sore afraid,
We still hoped on while gleamed the blade
Of noble Robert Lee!

Forth from its scabbard all in vain
Bright flashed the sword of Lee;
'Tis shrouded now in its sheath again,
It sleeps the sleep of our noble slain,
Defeated, yet without stain,
Proudly and peacefully!




14 posted on 01/19/2006 11:51:47 AM PST by injin
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Don't kid yourself, we've got Americans today as great as these two men. It's just a lot harder to hear about them. Thanks to the lamestream media!!!!


15 posted on 01/19/2006 11:56:15 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: w_over_w; injin; sheltonmac
Thanks for posting the pictures and the stories. These things keep our history alive and pass it along to the next generation.

I have noticed the coverage of Lee's birthday is lighter than previous years.

16 posted on 01/19/2006 11:59:41 AM PST by stainlessbanner (^W^)
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To: swmobuffalo
'Has anybody here seen'

That's wonderful.

I wish the very nice pic of Nathan Bedford Forrest had come out, but that's the potluck you take when you GiggleSearch a pic. And it would have been nice if I could have worked Pat Cleburne in, [Stonewall's middle name was in fact *John*] but you get the idea.

17 posted on 01/19/2006 12:03:56 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy
Good job!

. . . although, as my grandmother remarked, General Forrest was someone that you could not POSSIBLY ask to dinner ( . . . and if you had known my grandmother you'd understand why. She'd kill Forrest, or he'd kill her.)

18 posted on 01/19/2006 12:05:33 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: shield
Don't kid yourself, we've got Americans today as great as these two men. It's just a lot harder to hear about them. Thanks to the lamestream media!!!!

Please! Do not dignify their opinion of themselves even by using the derogitive variant of that particular term.

They act like the enemy media, and should be so designated for so long as they continue.

19 posted on 01/19/2006 12:07:22 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: One Proud Dad

up here we celebrate gen logan day.
in the mid-nineties they decided that one of the main roads in town needed to be changed from Logan st to dr. martin luther king jr blvd. it was said for a long time that the two were completely interchangeable and either could be used. we figured that since the street names were interchangeable, then that must mean the holiday was also.
incidently, they apparently aren't interchangeable any longer, all written references to logan are gone.


20 posted on 01/19/2006 12:12:49 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: AnAmericanMother; Squantos; TEXASPROUD; hookman; spatzie
. . . although, as my grandmother remarked, General Forrest was someone that you could not POSSIBLY ask to dinner ( . . . and if you had known my grandmother you'd understand why. She'd kill Forrest, or he'd kill her.)

Out Texas way, we used to refer to that as prickly. But such are usually handy folks to have on your side during a scrap, and more often than not, they do a pretty fair job of leading by example, too.

Some are native Texans, others are drawn to Texas later in life, by inclination or circumstance. Forrest came to the Texas 1836 fight for independence from Mexico in his youth, but arrived after most of the affray was concluded. It likely made an impression on his future activities, however.

21 posted on 01/19/2006 12:20:57 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: sheltonmac

What do you mean we wouldn't know about today? Perhaps a damned Yankee wouldn't but here in Texas we're having a state holiday today. Confederate Heroes Day!


22 posted on 01/19/2006 12:42:39 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: archy
Oh, my grandmother was properly appreciative of Gen'l Forrest's skill and heroism, and had her white-gloved-and-pearled person ever come close to a battlefield, she would have appreciated his assistance and been kindness itself.

But she STILL wouldn't have invited him to dinner!

(I will say in my grandmama's defense that she left her white gloves and pearls behind when she was a Red Cross Gray Lady beginning at the end of WWI and a nurse in WWII.)

23 posted on 01/19/2006 12:46:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sheltonmac

Great Generals who were TRAITORS to the Union and therefore the United States.


24 posted on 01/19/2006 12:47:41 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Clemenza

The Union was very loosely held together at that point in time, and whether official policy or not, the states wielded the power. It is unfair to call great Southern warriors traitors.


25 posted on 01/19/2006 12:51:19 PM PST by SC33
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To: Clemenza

By that definition, the Revoloutionary generals and soldiers would be considered traitors.


26 posted on 01/19/2006 12:52:14 PM PST by SC33
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To: sheltonmac

Excellent job! I wish I could have the baby on Saturday - one on Jackson's birthday to match the previous one on Lee's birthday - but my daughters are going to a dance with their father and they'd never forgive me!


27 posted on 01/19/2006 12:52:41 PM PST by Tax-chick (“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
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To: upchuck

Civil War Post


28 posted on 01/19/2006 12:53:07 PM PST by SC33
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To: SC33
Well, that Great Southern Warrior Andrew Jackson threatened to invade South Carolina and hang John Calhoun if the Palmetto State made good on its plans to leave the union 35 years earlier.

In other words, by 1861, it was largely understood what the Union was. The secessionists were tilting at windmills by then. Even Lee and Davis thought secession to be wrong up to the moment (in Lee's case) of Virginia's secession from the union.

29 posted on 01/19/2006 12:53:50 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Clemenza
Do us a favor, and just don't click on this thread if you feel that way.

This is to honor a great gentlemen who (in hindsight) erred in supporting his State over the Union. Intent is an element of treason (well established by USSC case law) and he had no intent.

30 posted on 01/19/2006 12:54:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SC33
Yes. They were traitors to the House Of Hanover. It was a good thing too.

In the case of the Confederates, however, they were traitors to the Union, aka the United States.

31 posted on 01/19/2006 12:54:54 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: AnAmericanMother

I know. See post #29.


32 posted on 01/19/2006 12:55:36 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Clemenza

I understand what you are saying, but it is hard to back that far in time and make judgments. It was a completely different world, and they did what they thought they had to. I can respect that, and taht being said, I can also respect the resolve of Lincoln and the Union to fight.


33 posted on 01/19/2006 12:56:12 PM PST by SC33
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To: Clemenza
Fine, then don't call him a traitor.

And I wouldn't take Andy Jackson's word on anything. A stone cold brave man and a bonny fighter somewhat in the mold of Forrest, but a completely irresponsible occupant of the White House. And not fit to shine R.E.L.'s shoes.

34 posted on 01/19/2006 12:59:05 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: SC33; AnAmericanMother
No. I do not believe that Lee, Jackson, Davis, Benjamin, and the other senior officials and generals of the Confederacy in their hearts or minds believed they were committing treason. Lee and Jackson both saw themselves as defending the interests of the state of Virginia first and foremost.

It was what it was. The Union was victorious and we were better for it.

The only positive that would have come if Lincoln had let the south go (as many New Englanders wanted anyway) is that Cuba would have likely been annexed by the Confederacy. Therefore, when, by the 1870s and 1880s, when the Confederates would rejoin the union (due to high inflation caused by the printing of fiat money, and the lack of a coherent national economic policy in general, to say nothing of the need for industry), Cuba would have been a part of the United States.

35 posted on 01/19/2006 1:03:45 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: AnAmericanMother
my great Uncle rode with Forrest .
Although captured at Selma , he survived the war
and went back home to old Miss and recommenced to farmin.
36 posted on 01/19/2006 1:08:27 PM PST by injin
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To: Clemenza

And look how the tables have turned. Many of us, in the South, midwest, mid-atlantic, and west, would gladly give New England away.

(part sarcasm)


37 posted on 01/19/2006 1:08:38 PM PST by SC33
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Amen brother! The days of Americans being born with "the bark on" are long past. I truly pity the kids of tomorrow.


38 posted on 01/19/2006 1:12:32 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: sheltonmac
And a little later, on the 8th of February, we have the birthday of another great general of the Civil War.
39 posted on 01/19/2006 1:34:36 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

GREATEST General of the Civil War, IMHO!


40 posted on 01/19/2006 1:45:24 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

When is George Thomas' birthday? He was the most consistently successful of any major Union field commander, but then I am prejudiced being a Virginian.


41 posted on 01/19/2006 1:45:33 PM PST by robowombat
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To: mtbopfuyn

Sure...you might notice that the day goes practically uncelebrated or unnoticed in our state. Much to my dismay.
I however am flying my flag :)


42 posted on 01/19/2006 1:51:51 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Clemenza

Typical ignorant statement, from a typical ignorant Yankee.


43 posted on 01/19/2006 1:53:04 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: PzLdr

Sherman....one of the greatest I agree


44 posted on 01/19/2006 1:56:00 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: TexConfederate1861; Clemenza

Typical ignorant statement, from a typical ignorant Yankee.
.....................................................

Don't kid yourself. There were plenty of mostly poor white Southerners who did not want to fight to maintain the southern aristocracy.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 1:57:54 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: PzLdr
"Sherman himself put it best when he admitted that according to what he had been taught at West Point, he deserved to be executed for war crimes." - The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. A must read for every true conservative American.
46 posted on 01/19/2006 1:58:18 PM PST by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Clemenza
Great Generals who were TRAITORS to the Union and therefore the United States.

Hardly. The generals of the Confederacy came closer to upholding the ideals of the U.S. Constitution than most of those following the Unionist dictator.

I would not presume to claim to know which most of the founding fathers would have joined alongside. But we do know which was raised by Revolutionary War hero *Lighthorse Harry* Lee.

Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19 years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.

--Thomas Jefferson

No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent.

Any people whatsoever have the right to abolish the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.

This is a most valuable, a most sacred right.'

--Abraham Lincoln; 1848

47 posted on 01/19/2006 1:59:13 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Though I disagree with the southern cause, I hold Lee in very high esteem. He was a rare and wonderful man. I'm so pleased I have a son who shares his birthdate today!


48 posted on 01/19/2006 1:59:42 PM PST by derllak
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To: TexConfederate1861; eleni121

Read my posts. Andrew Jackson threatened to invade South Carolinia for the treasonous act of secession. Central Texas (the hill country) and Eastern Tennessee provided more troops to the Union than to the confederacy.


49 posted on 01/19/2006 2:00:44 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: robowombat

Born on July 31, 1816, in Southampton County, Virginia.


50 posted on 01/19/2006 2:01:28 PM PST by Tax-chick (“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
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