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"Intelligent design" not science: Vatican paper
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | 01/19/06 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 01/19/2006 1:33:32 PM PST by peyton randolph

PARIS (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has restated its support for evolution with an article praising a U.S. court decision that rejects the "intelligent design" theory as non-scientific.

The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano said that teaching intelligent design -- which argues that life is so complex that it needed a supernatural creator -- alongside Darwin's theory of evolution would only cause confusion...

A court in the state of Pennsylvania last month barred a school from teaching intelligent design (ID), a blow to Christian conservatives who want it to be taught in biology classes along with the Darwinism they oppose.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: catholic; creationisminadress; dover; fsm; id; idiocy; idisjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; science; vatican
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How interesting.
1 posted on 01/19/2006 1:33:34 PM PST by peyton randolph
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To: peyton randolph

How weird is it that the best way to be sure your kids get a good science education is to send them to Catholic school?


2 posted on 01/19/2006 1:34:51 PM PST by kenboy
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To: peyton randolph

Counting down for the first Catholic-bashing post. 1...2...3


4 posted on 01/19/2006 1:35:23 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: PatrickHenry

*PING*


5 posted on 01/19/2006 1:35:46 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph

Maybe a supernatural creator was the first one to come up with evolution, and Darwin just figured out a small part of what the creator was doing.


6 posted on 01/19/2006 1:36:13 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: flashbunny

When did this become a Howard Dean thread?


7 posted on 01/19/2006 1:36:45 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: linear

"Maybe a supernatural creator was the first one to come up with evolution, and Darwin just figured out a small part of what the creator was doing."

That's what a lot of Christians believe, including the Pope, I think. Stick around, though...this will be an interesting thread.


8 posted on 01/19/2006 1:37:17 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: flashbunny

I hope that's not a self-portrait.


9 posted on 01/19/2006 1:37:47 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: peyton randolph
"Intelligent design" not science

Neither is "evolution".

11 posted on 01/19/2006 1:38:57 PM PST by onedoug
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To: MineralMan

Threads about hotly debated but ultimately unprovable concepts are always interesting. lol


12 posted on 01/19/2006 1:39:33 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: MineralMan

no, just anticipating what will happen to many people here when they read this article.


13 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:14 PM PST by flashbunny (Are you annoying ME? Are you annoying ME? You must be annoying me, since there's no one else here!)
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To: MineralMan
Counting down for the first Catholic-bashing post. 1...2...3

Shouldn't that be 3....2....1 if you're counting down?

I hope that the rest of your "science" isn't backwards as well...
14 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:33 PM PST by politicket
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To: peyton randolph
The entire evolution vs ID debate is an aberration caused by the fact that freedom of speech, or any other kind of freedom, has been eliminated in government schools.

ID was invented as a way of combatting the fact that public schools have become little more than Demo(n)cRAT indoctrination camps.

15 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: peyton randolph
"Intelligent design" not science

I don't need the Vatican to tell me that ID isn't science...or anything else about science.

16 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:51 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: onedoug

uh, yes it is. Perhaps you should look up exactly what 'science' is.


17 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:55 PM PST by flashbunny (Are you annoying ME? Are you annoying ME? You must be annoying me, since there's no one else here!)
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To: Javelina
"I learned very young that the Catholic Church accepted evolution. Is this new?"

No, it's not new. Most of the traditional Christian churches do the same. I was taught that evolution was how the deity created species in the Presbyterian church as a youngster.

However, many of the latter-day evangelical churches are sola scriptura and reject evolution.

18 posted on 01/19/2006 1:40:59 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Javelina

Really? I was born a Catholic and spent many childhood years in the church. I never knew this. Guess I missed that lesson in Catechism.


19 posted on 01/19/2006 1:41:09 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: flashbunny

Ah, it appears that your image is no more on the thread. Pity.


20 posted on 01/19/2006 1:41:45 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Tribune7; Tolkien; GrandEagle; Right in Wisconsin; Dataman; ..
Catholic interest ping


Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
See my profile for info

21 posted on 01/19/2006 1:42:15 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: politicket

"Shouldn't that be 3....2....1 if you're counting down? "

Well, I'm really counting post numbers, so I have to count up, you see.


22 posted on 01/19/2006 1:42:22 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: onedoug

watch out- the Darwinists pounce on these threads. Get out while you can.


23 posted on 01/19/2006 1:42:43 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: peyton randolph

Roman Catholic Church going awry.


25 posted on 01/19/2006 1:44:15 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: conservativebabe

I still have yet to figure out how evolution and ID are incompatible. One postulates the creation of the universe, the other is a theory as to how species evolve.


26 posted on 01/19/2006 1:44:33 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Javelina

I feel kind of dumb for not having known this interesting tidbit. How do they reconcile this with Creation?


27 posted on 01/19/2006 1:44:56 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: linear

Or maybe a supernatural creator actually did plan for Christ to die to save mankind.

A man, Adam, with a sinful nature, saved by the grace of another man Jesus, man without sin.


28 posted on 01/19/2006 1:45:17 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: linear

Maybe a supernatural creator was the first one to come up with evolution, and Darwin just figured out a small part of what the creator was doing.




Right. Like he figured out the micro part of evolution but not the macro.


29 posted on 01/19/2006 1:45:50 PM PST by Rippin
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To: linear

species of animals yes, but humans? Guess that's where the fork in the road starts.


31 posted on 01/19/2006 1:46:21 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: MineralMan

apparently posting bad 80's movie special effects stills offended someone's sensibilities...


32 posted on 01/19/2006 1:47:00 PM PST by flashbunny (Are you annoying ME? Are you annoying ME? You must be annoying me, since there's no one else here!)
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To: wallcrawlr

"Or maybe a supernatural creator actually did plan for Christ to die to save mankind."

You don't have to begin the sentence above with "or", even if you do accept evolution as the best theory to date.


33 posted on 01/19/2006 1:47:08 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
ID was invented as a way of combatting the fact that public schools have become little more than Demo(n)cRAT indoctrination camps.

Ah, good, so we're agreed it's a political strategem, not science.

34 posted on 01/19/2006 1:47:23 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Javelina

I'll sit back and wait. They're coming.


35 posted on 01/19/2006 1:48:00 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: Rippin

If he created the whole thing, I'm pretty sure he could see how the small would become large. Isn't that his plan anyway?


36 posted on 01/19/2006 1:48:26 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: flashbunny
apparently posting bad 80's movie special effects stills offended someone's sensibilities...

Now a pic of Boy George from the '80s would have been really offensive. Your pic was appropriate IMHO.

37 posted on 01/19/2006 1:48:51 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Right Wing Professor; E. Pluribus Unum

Whoops - looks like you caught him!


38 posted on 01/19/2006 1:49:05 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MineralMan

All protestant denominations were at one time sola scriptura, including Presbyterian. Many Presbyterians today would affirm that principle, and I would also be willing to bet that it is still included in the official church doctrine, although I'm sure in many places it's just given lip service or the terms are redefined to mean whatever they want it to mean.


39 posted on 01/19/2006 1:49:23 PM PST by Gil4 (This tagline for rent - cheap!)
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To: flashbunny

LOL! Still I have always HATED that picture.


40 posted on 01/19/2006 1:49:50 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe

The fork was inevitable from the moment of creation, but that still doesn't bear on the viability of evolution as one of the ways in which that fork could be manifested.


41 posted on 01/19/2006 1:50:28 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: linear

Well, I have my own thoughts, but I just like to sit back and watch the creationists go at it with the evolutionists. It's like watching Larry, MO, and Curly repeatedly slap each other.


42 posted on 01/19/2006 1:52:32 PM PST by conservativebabe
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To: linear

I'm with you on that. Genesis is not a cookbook and science can neither prove nor disprove an article of faith so the whole ID vs. evolution argument is stupid IMO.


44 posted on 01/19/2006 1:55:14 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Proudly Christian since 2005)
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To: conservativebabe

Its like two people in an argument as to whether a box is more blue than it is square.


45 posted on 01/19/2006 1:55:39 PM PST by linear (Restore Federalism - Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: linear

When discussing why man was created you do.

Romans 5:12
Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned


46 posted on 01/19/2006 1:56:06 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: Mighty Eighth
After that Galileo business, the last thing anyone should take seriously is ANY Vatican announcement about what's a science or not.

What I find most interesting about this article is the split among creationists over the issue of whether ID is a science. I note that Catholic FReepers have been pinged to this thread. It will be enlightening to see their take in contrast with evangelical and fundamentalist Christians.

47 posted on 01/19/2006 1:56:20 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: peyton randolph

Yeah! Well, the vatican are just a bunch of atheists!


48 posted on 01/19/2006 1:58:39 PM PST by TheWormster
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To: Right Wing Professor
Ah, good, so we're agreed it's a political strategem, not science.

It's faith-based science, much like global warming.

49 posted on 01/19/2006 1:58:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Javelina

"I learned very young that the Catholic Church accepted evolution. Is this new?"

For me it was 1966 in a Catholic grade school.


50 posted on 01/19/2006 1:59:00 PM PST by Kirkwood
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