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Revealed: US Bishops Asked Pope to Delay Homosexuality and the Priesthood Document
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 20 January 2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 01/19/2006 3:53:41 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

CHICAGO, January 19, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an annual interview with Chicago Sun Times reporter Cathleen Falsani, Chicago Cardinal Francis George revealed that last year the United States Bishops visiting with the Pope asked the Vatican to delay release of the long-awaited document on homosexuality and the priesthood.

The document entitled, "Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders", reinforced Church teaching barring men "who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called 'gay culture'", from becoming priests.

"We asked them not not to publish it, but to delay it -- to wait -- otherwise it would color the visitations," Cardinal George told the Times.

He said the bishops were concerned that the document would be released during the official visits of US bishops with the Pope over the issue of sexual abuse in seminaries, and thus would ignite the sensitivities of homosexuals activists. Explained George: "We said, 'If you do this, it will be taken as a commentary on the visitations and we'll get into this whole business that the gay community is so sensitive to of, 'You're blaming us for the pedophilia.'"

In fact, however, the study on sexual abuse commissioned by the US Bishops after the scandals broke in 2002, confirmed that homosexuality indeed was a major part of the problem. The John Jay study (available online: http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/ ) noted that 80% of the sexual abuse in the priesthood involved adolescent males rather than young boys, pointing to the core problem being one of homosexuality, not strictly pedophilia.

For comment, LifeSiteNews.com contacted Michael Rose, the author of the best seller 'Good Bye, Good Men'. The book catalogued the homosexual activism in Catholic seminaries during the 70s and 80s which led to the acceptance into the priesthood of many practicing homosexuals and rejection from seminary of many men who followed Church teaching on homosexuality.

Rose noted that the document, already delayed for some ten years, was important for the whole church, and a request to delay it to ward off criticism from homosexual activists was concerning. "The request of the Pope by the US bishops to delay the release of the (already long delayed) document seems at best self-serving," said Rose. It is "again, sending the wrong message to the faithful (and others), that our bishops are overly concerned with outward appearances, perhaps to the detriment of more important things."

Cardinal George noted that the Vatican disregarded the request and published the document as scheduled. "Their response was, 'Well, we're sorry about that, but this is a universal document. It's not directed at the United States. It's directed to the whole church. So we're gonna do it.' They have their own schedule," he said.


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Fair dinkum! The bloody US Bishops are as bad as most of ours!
1 posted on 01/19/2006 3:53:44 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher
He said the bishops were concerned that the document would be released during the official visits of US bishops with the Pope over the issue of sexual abuse in seminaries, and thus would ignite the sensitivities of homosexuals activists. Explained George: "We said, 'If you do this, it will be taken as a commentary on the visitations and we'll get into this whole business that the gay community is so sensitive to of, 'You're blaming us for the pedophilia.'"

Yeah, it is kind of unfair, the gays were only 87% responsible.
2 posted on 01/19/2006 3:55:00 PM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: Aussie Dasher

What are they, gay?


3 posted on 01/19/2006 3:56:00 PM PST by dollar_dog
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To: dollar_dog

There's a fair chance...


4 posted on 01/19/2006 3:57:01 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

You know, Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.


5 posted on 01/19/2006 4:00:07 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: Aussie Dasher

The problem with the Church in the US is the Bishops. I've never been impressed with their fiscal acumen or religious leadership. Many are fast becoming shepards with a dwindling flock and diminishing grazing pastures.


6 posted on 01/19/2006 4:00:21 PM PST by caisson71
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To: caisson71

The problem with a lot of these "Bishops" is they don't really want to be Catholics...very odd!


7 posted on 01/19/2006 4:01:30 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Yes, I agree. Many are pompus asses living the good life on the labors of their flock.


8 posted on 01/19/2006 4:05:11 PM PST by caisson71
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To: dollar_dog

I'm guessing...yes.


9 posted on 01/19/2006 4:05:13 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Aussie Dasher

Cardinal George is actually one of the more conservative and orthodox bishops in the US, so I'm surprised by his comments. I can only imagine what Mahoney would have to say about this. But George is one of the good ones. He's had a horrid mess to clean up in Chicago after Bernardin, and to my knowledge, he's doing a pretty good job.


10 posted on 01/19/2006 4:07:57 PM PST by sassbox
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To: sassbox

America's version of George Pell?


11 posted on 01/19/2006 4:11:49 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: sassbox
Cardinal George is actually one of the more conservative and orthodox bishops in the US, so I'm surprised by his comments. I can only imagine what Mahoney would have to say about this. But George is one of the good ones. He's had a horrid mess to clean up in Chicago after Bernardin, and to my knowledge, he's doing a pretty good job.

Archbishop Levada was here in the archdiocese of San Francisco....talking about messes and homosexual activists. He's in Rome now because His Holiness knows a smart, steely-backboned bishop when he see him.
There ARE more good ones than bad ones.

I can see the problem with timing. But it wouldn't do much to change the activists. No matter when His Holiness comes and/or releases The Document, it will rile the activists and put the spotlight on the homosexual priests, be they good, bad or indifferent.
Just no getting around it.

In fact, the two things might be really best to do at once, the visit and the document, so as to get it all over with in one fell swoop.

12 posted on 01/19/2006 4:19:56 PM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
It is going to take some time to clear out some of these bishops and cardinal for that matter.

I think Benedict will take out the trash.

13 posted on 01/19/2006 4:21:33 PM PST by mware (The keeper of the I's once again.)
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To: sassbox
"He's had a horrid mess to clean up in Chicago after Bernardin..."

Could you explain this to me a little? I was born and raised in Illinois, and my husband comes from the Chicago area. I know that Bernardin has been described on FR as having been responsible for recommending a lot of bad U.S. appointments to the Vatican, but I don't know if that's true or anything else specific about Bernardin and his tenure in Chicago. I would welcome some specific info. (however brief) if you are still on the thread.

14 posted on 01/19/2006 4:22:40 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Ping.


15 posted on 01/19/2006 4:22:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Said the night wind to the little lamb . . . "Do you see what I see?")
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To: Aussie Dasher

Probably alot like Card. Pell. I'm wondering if Card. George's comments were taken out of context, as so often happens when Church figures are quoted. I'm guessing George was concerned that the timing of the Pope's document would make it more difficult for the seminaries to be evaluated. Perhaps he worried that because of the document, certain people would have a "heads up" and would be able to hide things in the seminaries for Vatican investigators.

Perhaps George and other US bishops also don't want the seminary inspections to become solely focused on homosexuality - there are other serious problems in some seminaries like rampant heresy that must be addressed as well.

But I can't imagine that Card. George is opposed to the Pope's document, considering what he's had to clean up in Chicago. To give you an idea of how bad it got, when Bernardin died, he requested that a group known as the "Windy City Gay Men's Chorus" sing at his funeral Mass, in Holy Name Cathedral. He got his request.


16 posted on 01/19/2006 4:23:53 PM PST by sassbox
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To: Aussie Dasher
Fair dinkum!

I'm proud to know what that means and I agree with you!

17 posted on 01/19/2006 4:23:53 PM PST by steve86 (PRO-LIFE AND ANTI-GREED)
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To: sassbox
"To give you an idea of how bad it got, when Bernardin died, he requested that a group known as the "Windy City Gay Men's Chorus" sing at his funeral Mass, in Holy Name Cathedral."

Well, that's interesting.

18 posted on 01/19/2006 4:25:50 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: sassbox

"Windy City Gay Men's Chorus"? Good Lord!!!

That wouldn't be tolerated in Australia - not even by some of our worst Bishops!


19 posted on 01/19/2006 4:27:12 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Irene Adler

I grew up near Chicago and was in high school when Bernardin died. At the time he was practically canonized, by the local media as well as by the nuns who ran my high school. Not being very knowledgable about my faith at the time, I had no reason to think he was anything but a saint. It was very disheartening to later find out the truth.

There were many problems with his tenure as Cardinal of Chicago. See my previous post to Aussie about the Gay Men's Chorus singing the funeral Mass at Holy Name Cathedral. In general Bernardin had a reputation for allowing the worst of AmChurch to flourish in Chicago during his tenure. He was and still is a favorite of "progressive" Call-to-Action types.

Bernardin also is credited with being the inventor of the "Seamless Garmet" theory, which has done enormous damage in the Church. I think that this legacy of his will continue to cause problems long after the mess he made in Chicago is cleaned up.


20 posted on 01/19/2006 4:29:38 PM PST by sassbox
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To: Aussie Dasher

For too many of our bishops this is striking too close to home. Of course they don't like it.


21 posted on 01/19/2006 4:39:54 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: sassbox

Dehomosexualize the seminaries completely and most of the heresy will be gone. Homosexuals who are comfortable with their defect are already heretical. All the other rot is easy from there.


22 posted on 01/19/2006 4:42:01 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Explained George: "We said, 'If you do this, it will be taken as a commentary on the visitations and we'll get into this whole business that the gay community is so sensitive to of, 'You're blaming us for the pedophilia.'"

Well, Duh!

It is homosexuals who abused pre-teen and teenage boys, you morons.

And who the hell cares what the "gay community" is "sensitive" about anyway?! You people are supposed to be Christian leaders, for crying out loud.

Start acting like it.

23 posted on 01/19/2006 4:56:44 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Aussie Dasher
http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/
 
See the Chicago Sun Times interview online: 
http://www.suntimes.com/output/falsani/cst-nws-cardinal16.html

24 posted on 01/19/2006 4:58:11 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The US bishops are horrible. Actually, the USCCB is horrible - because the controlling group is the old-line (gay or gay-friendly) liberal bishops.

Cdl George, btw, is one of the good guys and was simply explaining the situation, not criticizing the Vatican for going ahead with the inspection.


25 posted on 01/19/2006 5:03:05 PM PST by livius
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To: sassbox
"I grew up near Chicago and was in high school when Bernardin died. At the time he was practically canonized, by the local media..."

Yes, this is what I remember. Thanks for the rest of the info. I remember Father Greeley being quoted before Bernardin was appointed in Chicago, that he thought he would be a good Cardinal ( I really do remember this well.) But since, Greeley has been critical of Bernardin's tenure (I think) which confuses me, rather. These days, I wonder about Andrew Greeley.

26 posted on 01/19/2006 5:05:30 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: starfish923

Where do you get what you are saying from? Archbishop Levada gave a talk to the public before the 2004 presidential election strongly diasgreeing with then-Cardinal Ratzinger's statement to the U.S. bishops about withholding Communion from politicians. Archbishop Levada cozied up to Cardinal Ratzinger when he visited, but otherwise he did not agree with him on most issues.


27 posted on 01/19/2006 5:07:57 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway
Where do you get what you are saying from? Archbishop Levada gave a talk to the public before the 2004 presidential election strongly diasgreeing with then-Cardinal Ratzinger's statement to the U.S. bishops about withholding Communion from politicians. Archbishop Levada cozied up to Cardinal Ratzinger when he visited, but otherwise he did not agree with him on most issues.

It was in the news weeks and weeks ago.
I first heard it from our parish. It's not a secret. You can check it out here on FR; there was a thread about it.

Benedict would not have requested Levada's transfer to Rome if he didn't like, admire and trust Levada.
Levada pulled a real coup here in San Francisco -- against our homosexual advocate/supervisor Tom Ammiano. Harhar. It was a brilliant move on Levada's part, worthy of a Church bishop even in the Borgia's time.
Levada's always come through as rather conservative around here, especially with homosexuality, homosexual marriage, abortion, euthenasia, pedophilia and porography.

28 posted on 01/19/2006 5:16:43 PM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: starfish923

What was in the news? That Archbishop Levada criticized then-Cardinal Ratzinger's statement to the bishops. Did you ever follow what happened in San Francisco before April of 2005?


29 posted on 01/19/2006 5:24:34 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: starfish923

This isn't Stalinism, we can't just pretend someone is something they aren't. Archbishop Levada was never a conservative bishop- and was never considered one before he was nominated to the CDF.


30 posted on 01/19/2006 5:26:00 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Aussie Dasher

How VERY Un-Churchly of them!


31 posted on 01/19/2006 5:26:10 PM PST by Waco
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To: DarkSavant
and we'll get into this whole business that the gay community is so sensitive to of, 'You're blaming us for the pedophilia.

Who gives a bleep about the gay community?

32 posted on 01/19/2006 5:43:59 PM PST by rockabyebaby (I'm not afraid to say out loud what the rest of you are afraid to admit.)
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To: Aussie Dasher
ignite the sensitivities of homosexuals

Aw, they might throw a hissy and cry.

33 posted on 01/19/2006 6:29:22 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: Alberta's Child

Of course the problem is homosexuality -as this article points out- 80% of the sexual abuse committed by priests involved young males. If the Church believes its own teachings that, men "who practice homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called 'gay culture'” violate the Church's morality, then homosexual priests should be prevented from becoming priests, and those who are already priests should be expelled from the Church.


34 posted on 01/19/2006 6:32:11 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Irene Adler; ninenot; sittnick
The funeral of Joseph Cardinal Bernardin who died of prostate cancer some years ago featured, as dictated by his last will and testament, the music of the Windy City Gay Men's Chorus which was, ummmm, charitably speaking, NOT a Catholic group.

Fidelity magazine published extensive articles on the Chicago scandals of Bernardin's regime in which children of both sexes were molested sexually and physically injured by priests, nuns and parochial school officials. One child was the son of billionaires who are among the greatest contributors to the Archdiocese of Chicago and to the Vatican itself. The mother is a descendant of either Mr. Nash or Mr. Kelly who co-founded the current Chicago Democrat machine. The machine honors the ancestor's memory by patronizing his granddaughter's law firm without quid pro quo. The father went to Bernardin to comlain and made the obvious observation that it would make no sense to sue the Archdiocese, Bernardin (for knowingly covering up) or even the individuals in question since the Church was their family's major charty and they had no need whatever for money damages. Bernardin whitewashed the situation yet again. The parents went to the Vatican where they were allowed by Edouard Cardinal Gagnon, then the Head of the Curial Congregation on the Family to tape their conversation with him. They asked to meet with Pope John Paul II as to Bernardin's administration of Chicago and the abse of their son. Cardinal Gagnon told them that the pope sympathized but would not meet with them as such meetngs were pointless since the American Church was effectively in schism and refused to obey Rome.

Bernardin tolerated the existence of a "priest's Senate" which acted as though it were a legislature of some sort, ever taking the leftmost position available and defying hierarchical authority.

Bernardin was no prize in his previous see at Cincinnati either. He left Joseph Pilarczyk to succeed him there. Pilarczyk is nearly as bad as Bernardin. His seminary has a non-Catholic, a Mason, who is a psychologist of some sort, as the gatekeeper, to prevent the ordination of any orthodox Catholics who slip through. The Diocese of Rockford (next door to Chicago) has benefited from the arrival of several seminarians who fled Bernardin's Mundelein Seminary to come here where we have a very Catholic bishop and more than 40 seminarians, 11 of whom will be ordained this spring. That will be the second class of 11 since my family arrived here in 2000.

35 posted on 01/19/2006 6:46:54 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: nickcarraway
Well, I've lived here most of my life and I've heard the archbishop speak out so many times against the perfidity of homosexual marriages, homosexual lifestyle, abortion and so on. His letters to us, his flock, were always very conservative, laced with the moral absolutes and imperatives that we hold dear.

Do you honestly believe that Pope Benedict hasn't done his homework on Levada? Do you think him duped by Levada?
I don't. The Pope did his homework, as he always does, and chose a very fine, conservative, smart, backbone-of-steel man in William Levada.

Levada is in Rome NOW, working with Pope Benedict, at the specific request of his holy father.

What you might have read about former Archbishop William Levada in the hate-filled, virulently anti-Catholic mainstream media only shows that YOU believe what THEY say about Levada and DON'T trust Pope Benedict's judgment.
Have it your own way.

36 posted on 01/19/2006 6:52:42 PM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: BlackElk

Any prizes for guessing where Bernardin might be now?


37 posted on 01/19/2006 6:52:56 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Joey roasting on an open fire

Old Scratch jabbing his behind

Although its been said

Many times, many ways

Good riddance to Joe!!!

38 posted on 01/19/2006 6:57:48 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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Joey roasting on an open fire

Old Scratch jabbing his behind

Although its been said

Many times, many ways

Good riddance to Joe!!!

39 posted on 01/19/2006 6:58:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Aussie Dasher
Joey roasting on an open fire

Old Scratch jabbing his behind

Although its been said

Many times, many ways

Good riddance to Joe!!!

40 posted on 01/19/2006 6:58:17 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
those who are already priests should be expelled from the Church.

...and monseignors, and bishops, and cardinals

41 posted on 01/19/2006 6:59:06 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


42 posted on 01/19/2006 7:14:55 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


43 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:00 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


44 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:06 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


45 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:14 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


46 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:49 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: D.P.Roberts
Pope Benedict doesn't seem to eager to run the Church according to what's convenient to the perverts in it.

Thank goodness!

We in the US are at the mercy of these flaming liberals bishops. We depend on Benedict XVI to lay down the law!


47 posted on 01/19/2006 7:15:55 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: Aussie Dasher; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

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48 posted on 01/19/2006 7:16:35 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: kstewskis
OMG! Sorry for those hiccups!!

(excuse me while I get some water!)

49 posted on 01/19/2006 7:16:39 PM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: Aussie Dasher
The NEA needs to publish: "Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Pedophilia Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Role of Public School Teacher, Administrator, Coach, or other Support Personnell", to reinforced NEA teaching barring adults "who practise pedophilia and the molestation of children."

I won't hold my breath but I would bet my left foot that there are more sexual predators in the ranks of the NEA as there are in the Catholic church heirarchy.
50 posted on 01/19/2006 7:20:21 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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