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CNN is still sick with Fox envy -- and it's only getting worse
SFGate.com ^ | 01/20/2006 | By Tim Goodman

Posted on 01/20/2006 9:50:48 AM PST by oxcart

These must be great days to work at Fox News. Not only does the 24-hour cable channel beat rival CNN like a sick, sad mule, but Roger Ailes is so deep in the heads of CNN's managers that every time they stumble over themselves in chaos -- which is often -- the chairman of Fox News looks like some kind of psyops genius.

If Ailes -- boo! -- isn't haunting the halls of CNN and driving CNN President Jonathan Klein batty with paranoia, then how else to explain Klein's relentlessly nonsensical decisions, which are driving CNN into the ground? What person rooted in reality looks at CNN and thinks, "Now there's a network on the rise"?

Well, apparently there's one person -- Klein.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cablenews; cnn; envy; foxnews; foxnewsratings; moonbats; rogerailes
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A moonbat commenting on moonbats. What a hoot!
1 posted on 01/20/2006 9:50:49 AM PST by oxcart
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To: oxcart

These fools are so lost, it is amazing. Their rating continue to tank, yet their comittment to self-destruction and anti-Americanism continues, along with their dedication to negativism, defeatism and their liberal political insanity.


2 posted on 01/20/2006 9:54:43 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: oxcart

I never watch CNN for even a moment, knowing that the numbers will eventually doom them.


3 posted on 01/20/2006 9:55:27 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: oxcart

HA! Fox succeeds because they hire people that are articulate, attractive, and speak with a sense of maturity and confidence. One minute watching Soledad O'Brien on CNN tells the tale.


5 posted on 01/20/2006 9:58:58 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: RTINSC

I like the Fox evening line-up. But FNC has been hiring too many Barbie Dolls recently in the daytime . ..


This may be heresy but I also think Wolf Blitzer is pretty cool. What kind of name is Wolf, by the way?


6 posted on 01/20/2006 10:00:05 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: oxcart

If Ailes wasn't such a brilliant businessman, he would be the funniest stand up comedian in 50 years. If you ever get a chance to meet him, don't miss out!


7 posted on 01/20/2006 10:03:03 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: oxcart
Isn't Klein the yahoo who made the comment about bloggers being "A bunch of guys in their pajamas" while he was defending CBS after memogate?

I bet we will regret that comment and giving rise to the Pajamahudeen the rest of his life.
8 posted on 01/20/2006 10:03:32 AM PST by msnimje (Senate Democrats ----------- Sound and Fury Signifying INSIGNIFICANCE)
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To: floridaobserver

Some pretty smart Barbie Dolls IMO..(sigh)

Wolf got his name when he was a cub reporter..


9 posted on 01/20/2006 10:03:39 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: Regicide

One of lifes true pleasures : )


10 posted on 01/20/2006 10:03:48 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: floridaobserver
"I like the Fox evening line-up. But FNC has been hiring too many Barbie Dolls recently in the daytime . .."

Not only lately. I can't stand that newsshow on between Britt and O'Rieley factor. That pretty boy anchor just makes the show unwatchable to me. But......I guess it takes all kinds.

11 posted on 01/20/2006 10:04:51 AM PST by joebuck
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To: floridaobserver

In the beginning I used to watch nothing but CNN but then their liberal, anti American message drove me to MSNBC. Then MSNBC became the same way and I started watching FOX after 9-11. Now I watch BOR sometimes when he's not trying so hard to be middle of the road but Fox is becoming more like the other two cable networks and I watch less Fox and listen to more talk radio.


12 posted on 01/20/2006 10:06:13 AM PST by outofhere2
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To: oxcart; All
A problem with CNN is that:

a) Conservatives believe that it is one of the mainstays of the MSM, and that it gives news that panders to the left.

b) Liberals believe that it is one of the mainstays of the MSM, and that it gives news that panders to the right. It is actually funny to hear DUmmies say that CNN is a mouthpiece for the administration (and actually that is quite an interesting portrayal of just how perceptions can diverge greatly, with both sides claiming CNN is a lapdog for the other).

Now, the liberals obviously think FoxNews is the, to quote DUmmie speak, 'propaganda' arm of the administration, and thus in general do not watch it, but FoxNews has a huge following (huge) among conservatives. However CNN has many conservatives staying away, PLUS has the more active left-wing crowd believing it is some sort of 'Fox-lite' (to quote DUmmie speak again). That is a definite problem for CNN.

Thus CNN is basically placed in a rather interesting position. After all, what is it to do if both sides of the fence think it leans towards the other side. Many conservatives would not be caught watching CNN, even if they bring JC Watts (who I have met and respect); and Liberas will see the hiring of JC Watts as yet more 'proof' that CNN is part and parcel of the Bush administration (aka Rove's masterplan aka inter-galactic conspiracy aka better-get-the-tinfoil-out-betty).

I have to say that I am very interested to see how CNN will get itself out of this conundrum ....if it can get itself out in the first place.

13 posted on 01/20/2006 10:06:50 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: oxcart
I am not particularly impressed with any right wing bias at Fox.

Fox is actually annoyingly even-handed. It is just that CNN is so over the top dishonest left wing propaganda. Not to mention that CNN is just full of really, really laughably poor reporting.


14 posted on 01/20/2006 10:07:49 AM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: msnimje
Isn't Klein the yahoo who made the comment about bloggers being "A bunch of guys in their pajamas" while he was defending CBS after memogate?

Don't forget "pissed off" and "angry white men"...

15 posted on 01/20/2006 10:10:24 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Over THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE lost their 'civil liberties' on September 11, 2001.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Great post...CNN telling us the shuttle was traveling 18 times the speed of light. These useless nimrods who claim to be journalists are always screwing up...they can't tell the difference between a million and a billion to save their lives.


16 posted on 01/20/2006 10:12:14 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: Regicide

You're showing your homophobia.


17 posted on 01/20/2006 10:13:49 AM PST by billhilly
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To: floridaobserver
This may be heresy but I also think Wolf Blitzer is pretty cool. What kind of name is Wolf, by the way?

I used to like him too when I first started watching CNN daily, right after 9/11. But one day it dawned on me that he was trying to sabotage public support for our military. He not only jumped the shark, he crashed and burned into the tank. Today I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire. CNN's tanking ratings indicate that there are lots of people like me.

18 posted on 01/20/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by MarineBrat (Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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To: joebuck

You know what? I agree. PLus what really gets me about him is his cadence and the way he uses inflection on certain words - it grates on me. Plus his jokes are 99% not funny. He should stop trying to be droll and be more like Brit.


19 posted on 01/20/2006 10:14:13 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: FormerACLUmember

For the most part, CNN has more qualified and intelligent foreign correspondents. They seem to get out of the Baghdad hotels more.

Fox has less impressive correspondents , I remember when they were using Orlando Salinas as their Iraqi reporter. . .lol

Stick to the hurricanes, Orlando!


20 posted on 01/20/2006 10:14:26 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: RTINSC

Wolf got his name when he was a cub reporter..

Bear?


21 posted on 01/20/2006 10:15:19 AM PST by billhilly
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To: oxcart
I had an interesting experience in the office today. I routinely turn the TV in our office kitchen to Fox News (it's usually either on ESPN or CNN). This morning I noticed a sticky note tacked on to the TV. It said "Please do not tune the TV to Fox News! Fox News is terrible! CNN is a better choice, and it's just one station away!"

I promptly tore up the note and switched to Fox News.

22 posted on 01/20/2006 10:16:30 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Freedom isn't free, but the men and women of the military will pay most of your share)
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To: billhilly

I have to turn off the tv when Jack McCafferty is on the screen. He looks like an unmade bed and his comments are inane.


23 posted on 01/20/2006 10:17:29 AM PST by floridaobserver
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To: spetznaz

You make a good point. I would add that conservatives will watch a news network that it perceives as even-handed A LOT because we feel like an oppressed minority in media land. Further, since many conservatives find primetime TV to be offensive, they will likely tune in to shows like O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. because that's all there is to watch.

Liberals, on the other hand, probably have a much larger spectrum of shows to watch. So even if they think network "x" is fair and balanced, they will likely spend less time watching it.

Just a thoughts.


24 posted on 01/20/2006 10:18:10 AM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: RTINSC
HA! Fox succeeds because they hire people that are articulate, attractive, and speak with a sense of maturity and confidence.


Nah, Fox succeeds because they tell the truth and are balanced. How often do you see a Republican point of view without a Democratic response? Very seldom if ever. Now can CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or CBS say the same about a Democratic point of view? Not in your wildest dreams.
25 posted on 01/20/2006 10:19:54 AM PST by John D
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To: billhilly

wolf cub..


27 posted on 01/20/2006 10:21:09 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: John D

Fox reporters read the news that is prepared for them..The content of what is given them is fair/ balanced and their presentation is IMO, excellent with a few exceptions.


28 posted on 01/20/2006 10:25:18 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: oxcart
A moonbat commenting on moonbats. What a hoot!

I didn't realize they were that flustered.

This is like when I was a kid on the farm and opened the hen-house door too quickly. Loud squawking with feathers and dust going everywhere amidst total chaos.

I think the liberals are replicating this behavior.

29 posted on 01/20/2006 10:27:10 AM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: oxcart

Roger Ailes is a psyops genius.


30 posted on 01/20/2006 10:28:14 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: floridaobserver

>>What kind of name is Wolf, by the way?

Lupine.


31 posted on 01/20/2006 10:31:03 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: oxcart

Maybe Tim Goodman should prove how smart he is by helping The Chronicle regain solvency before he advises CNN.


32 posted on 01/20/2006 10:31:23 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: RTINSC

Wolves are called pups when young. That was the reason for my pun.


33 posted on 01/20/2006 10:32:54 AM PST by billhilly
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To: outofhere2

Brit Hume, Your World with Neal Cavuto, and maybe The Big Story with John Gibson, are the only weekday shows on FNC worth watching.


34 posted on 01/20/2006 10:33:43 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: oxcart

If CNN really wanted to be different and get better ratings, they would offer Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell MILLIONS to host some kind of current event/political hour show at 8PM. Then, they would trump FOX. These two guys really make people think, it's refreshing.


35 posted on 01/20/2006 10:40:27 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: perez24
Yep ....unless a station is saying president 'Bush is this Bush is that' then that channel will strike the more liberal Left as foul. They do not want fair, they want an attack channel against the administration. And most already think that CNN is pro-Bush (which is ironic because we think it is anti-Bush).

Here are some comments dredged from 'that other place that starts with a D.' Just goes to show that CNN is basically hated by both camps. Quite funny I should say.

DUmmie Poster: I'm surprised you can tell the difference between CNN and Fox these days

DUmmie Poster: It's so hard to keep spreading lies and misinformation, isn't it CNN? I guess not EVERY country is gonna allow you to do it like they do here.

DUmmie Poster: It doesn't matter what he actually said... ...just like it doesn't matter how we actually vote. The Corporate News Network...it's hard work!

DUmmie Poster: CNN makes "gaffes" like that on a daily basis here in the states. It's a shame we can't shut them down, too.

DUmmie Poster: got caught "propelling the (Bush*) propaganda," eh? I can't say I sympathize with CNN. This is pretty unforgiveable.


36 posted on 01/20/2006 10:40:52 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: floridaobserver
For the most part, CNN has more qualified and intelligent foreign correspondents. They seem to get out of the Baghdad hotels more.

Yes, they made a lot of friends during the Saddam days!

38 posted on 01/20/2006 10:48:16 AM PST by Freedom_Fighter_2001 (When money is no object - it's your money they're talking about)
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To: tom paine 2

Who's CNN?


39 posted on 01/20/2006 10:50:52 AM PST by Issaquahking (Build nukes, Harvest timber, Drill ANWR, Because it's good earth use, not abuse!!!)
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To: Regicide
>>>...wouldn't I be showing my homophillia and not my homophobia?<<<

Take your pick.

40 posted on 01/20/2006 10:58:20 AM PST by HardStarboard
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To: floridaobserver

"I also think Wolf Blitzer is pretty cool. What kind of name is Wolf, by the way?"

It's German and there's NOTHING about Herr Blitzer that's cool.

Signed up last month, I see. H-m-m.


41 posted on 01/20/2006 10:59:29 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: oxcart

It amazes me to see moonbats whining that CNN and the NYT are "shills" for the right. I wonder if any of them honestly believe that.


42 posted on 01/20/2006 11:00:29 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: oxcart
This is what I found funny. First he says:

There's a sadness here. And it has nothing to do with CNN's inability to "counter" Fox News with a respectable progressive slate of contributors. CNN used to be a reliable source for national and international news. Now it mostly chases storms and tragedy -- and Fox.

Then he says:

For a long time now there has been this perception that Republicans watch Fox News, Democrats watch CNN, and MSNBC picks up the undecideds. But that's simplistic.

There's a disconnect there. He's admitting that CNN is "progressive" (code for "Liberal", and something very surprising for a Liberal to admit), but then says it's simplistic to say that it caters to Democrats.

Well, by putting forward a Liberal (er, "progressive") slate of contributors, who exactly does he think CNN is actually going to cater to?
43 posted on 01/20/2006 11:13:53 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: oxcart

good article. Loved the part about Bennett. Dont know who Beck is but I like Watts. I suspected FNC was going to ditch Bennett. The only show I ever saw him on was H&C. Brit Hume never allowed him on his show. CNN is a good place for him in that he is a McCain supporter.


44 posted on 01/20/2006 11:29:01 AM PST by jubail
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To: billhilly

cub

n 1: an awkward and inexperienced youth [syn: greenhorn, rookie] 2: a male child (a familiar term of address to a boy) [syn: lad, laddie, sonny, sonny boy] 3: the young of certain carnivorous mammals such as the bear or wolf or lion [syn: young carnivore] v : give birth to cubs; "bears cub every year"


45 posted on 01/20/2006 11:37:18 AM PST by RTINSC (There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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To: oxcart

Circulation at the Chronicle is falling faster than a stone and they actually have the nerve to publish this slop. If Tim Goodman and the Chronicle staff are so good, why don't they fix their own newspaper. They need to put up or shut up. Hypocrites!


46 posted on 01/20/2006 11:56:13 AM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: RTINSC

http://www.units.muohio.edu/dragonfly/com/puppies.shtml


47 posted on 01/20/2006 12:33:36 PM PST by billhilly
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To: RTINSC

http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfPup.html


48 posted on 01/20/2006 1:22:08 PM PST by billhilly
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To: oxcart

if only CNN were true to their liberal idealogy they would recapture their old luster......not.


49 posted on 01/20/2006 1:24:08 PM PST by Always Right
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To: FormerACLUmember
I liked the CNN newsbabe during the Kosovo situation in '98 describing the "advance force of the 82nd Airborne, one Bat i llion will soon arrive here in Kosovo"...

I told my wife that the Batillion would then attend a Cotillion.

50 posted on 01/20/2006 1:28:59 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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