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White House refuses to talk about Al Gore’s plan to Wiretap every electronic device in the world
Left Wing Hate Website ^ | 1-19-2005 | Thanatos

Posted on 01/20/2006 2:18:11 PM PST by Thanatos

From today's WhiteHouse press Briefing:

quote:

Q Scott, I have a two-part question. Apparently, no one in the White House will challenge Al Gore with now public information that he led the Clinton administration's Clipper Chip Project back in the 1990s to effectively tap every phone, fax machine and computer in the country. And my question: Isn't that worth pointing out to the American people, after he accused President Bush of breaking the law and violating the Constitution by --

MR. McCLELLAN: I think you just did. This is an administration that is forward-looking, Les. We're focused on the priorities of the American people.

Q Well, how about Gore? You mean you're going to say nothing about Gore and the clipper chip project?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think you already have. No, I'm not going to get into that.

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More reading about the Clinton's Administrations Treason:

Wikipedia Clipper Chip

2001: Clinton Administration Considered Sharing National Security Secrets With China, Syria, Pakistan

2000: Out-sourcing Big Brother

1997-2000 Alamo-Girl's Archives of Clinton's "Rogues Gallery"

Clipper Chip info from the Electronic Privacy Information Center


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: algore; algoreisnotmyprez; antiamericanism; clintonlegacy; clintonscandals; clipperchip; doublestandard; lyingliar; nationalsecurity; pajamapeoplerule; partisansmear; partisanwitchhunt; patriotleak; waronerror; whitehouse; zogbyism

1 posted on 01/20/2006 2:18:13 PM PST by Thanatos
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To: Thanatos

That is the problem with this administration. They don't feel the need to defend themselves against attacks from the left. It has been a mistake not to come out swinging.


2 posted on 01/20/2006 2:21:17 PM PST by Feiny (Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.)
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To: Thanatos

That McClellan is so weak. He, the AG- muppet and Andy Card are truely weak.


3 posted on 01/20/2006 2:21:19 PM PST by samadams2000 (Remember our Founding Fathers were REAL men- Unlike today's Rinos)
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To: Thanatos

This may be shameless self-promotion, but....

http://www.t-g.com/story/1135914.html


4 posted on 01/20/2006 2:21:24 PM PST by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: Thanatos

BUMP

The media will probably expose this guy too. They didn't like when Talon did this sort of thing.

Effin' whiney "journalists". They ignore basic truths to crucify conservatives with hype and spin.


5 posted on 01/20/2006 2:21:30 PM PST by weegee
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To: Thanatos

McClellan is totally ineffective. They would do better putting a robot or a parrot into his job.


6 posted on 01/20/2006 2:23:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Brian Mosely

Nice article. It ought to be picked up and syndicated.


7 posted on 01/20/2006 2:27:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: feinswinesuksass

They don't feel the need to defend themselves against attacks from the left. It has been a mistake not to come out swinging.
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A huge mistake. You don't put wimps into a fight with the mean boys...this has hurt us, and the Repub party, even more than most realize. Repubs now have an image of weakness which the Dems will not quit exploiting.

Very bad strategic and tactical decision and posture.



8 posted on 01/20/2006 2:28:26 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Cicero
What we need is a "Rumsfeld school of media destruction".
9 posted on 01/20/2006 2:29:15 PM PST by oxcart (Remember Bush lied.......People DYED... THEIR FINGERS! (M. Steyn))
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To: Thanatos

ping


10 posted on 01/20/2006 2:31:18 PM PST by ocr1
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To: Thanatos

I imagine he didn't want to get into the clipper chip project because they are into the clipper chip project.

Things do move from one administration to the other.

He probably went "oh no I gotta avoid this" when the statement came up.


11 posted on 01/20/2006 2:32:31 PM PST by Syncro
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To: feinswinesuksass
That is the problem with this administration.

Was going to post a similar response:

Therein lies the problem with the Bush Administration. They just do not have an effective PR, and that IS George Bush's fault. They leave themselves open for the msm and opposition (libDems) to clobber them in the media. Half of politics, especially on the national stage, is a PR War; and the Bush Administration continues to lose that war.
12 posted on 01/20/2006 2:33:54 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Thanatos
This is an administration that is forward-looking, Les. We're focused on the priorities of the American people

Sorta like, "Nevermind those punks hitting us in the back of the head with the bat. Just keep looking forward and ignore them!" Scott McClellan is just as much of an wothless idiot as his momma! Has to be genetic!

13 posted on 01/20/2006 2:38:22 PM PST by Bommer (Ted Kennedy - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life!)
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To: Thanatos

Les Kinsolving always keeps it entertaining.


14 posted on 01/20/2006 2:39:09 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Thanatos


I comletely forgot about the Clinton/gore

ClipperChip that would WIRETAP every single

phone line.As opposed to surveiling international

communications between terrorists and their supporters

in the USA.


15 posted on 01/20/2006 2:41:44 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Cicero

According to a Google news search, there's only five articles that mention it. WorldNetDaily, followed by mine and three others. We're an AP member, but I haven't heard the phone ring yet.


16 posted on 01/20/2006 2:46:02 PM PST by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: weegee

There is no such thing as a "journalist." It is as made up a profession as "womens studies." I have no academic respect for anyone degreed in either journalism or womens, or ethnic studies. They are reporters. Here is what I'm saying, reporter, write it down. Leave your opinion out. If I want your opinion I'll give it to you.


17 posted on 01/20/2006 2:48:42 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (If I want your opinion I'll give it to you.)
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To: EagleUSA
"Repubs now have an image of weakness which the Dems will not quit exploiting."

True.

And it started back when W refused to take the ex-Clintonoids to task for trashing and pilfering the White House and purloining everything not tied down on Air Force One.

18 posted on 01/20/2006 2:49:14 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Syncro

Interesting comment and you may be right but if it were true I would suspect the MSM to run with it. They wouldn't hesitate to tar Bush with the program even if it originated with Clinton.


19 posted on 01/20/2006 2:52:08 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: Para-Ord.45

I forgot about it too till I saw that snippet from the press briefing today.. brought back lots of memories!


20 posted on 01/20/2006 2:53:17 PM PST by Thanatos (www.LeftWingHate.com)
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To: Bommer
Scott McClellan is just as much of an wothless idiot as his momma! Has to be genetic!

Scott is just the opposite of his Momma. He won't open his mouth and tell them where they can stick it. She won't shut the he11 up. In fact, that's probably the problem. One Tough Gramma probably dominated him so severely he can't come out of his shell. Seems like a nice guy, but not a good line of work for him, certainly over his head at this level.

21 posted on 01/20/2006 2:53:56 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (If I want your opinion I'll give it to you.)
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To: saganite

Oh, I'd forgotten about this. I hate to say this, but I'm kind of in favor of this. I don't want the terrorists to be able to encrypt transmissions that no one on earth can break, even the NSA.


22 posted on 01/20/2006 2:56:45 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (If I want your opinion I'll give it to you.)
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To: Brian Mosely

That is a good editorial! I added it to my blog page. :-P


23 posted on 01/20/2006 3:00:18 PM PST by Thanatos (www.LeftWingHate.com)
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To: Thanatos
Interesting article from WorldNetDaily, February 10, 2000

Out-sourcing Big Brother

About Clipper Chip Project and the Clintons in Arkansas.

Systematics is a name wrapped up in so many Clinton scandals it would make your head spin. The company, for instance, obtained clearance to accompany Ron Brown on foreign trade trips.

...

Alltel, as I mentioned, was the former name of Systematics and the predecessor to Acxiom. Alltel was the incarnation of the company that provided the software for the White House's "Big Brother" data base system, and Systematics was the incarnation of the company when it was behind the administration's plan to develop the secret computer "Clipper" chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.
24 posted on 01/20/2006 3:00:47 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: saganite

That's a good point.

I am sure the Bush Admin can hide some things though.

The MSN is good at taking Clinton problems and foisting them off on the Bush Admin.

In fact that seems to be their job, liberals start something (or blow something) and Bush takes over and it is all his fault.


25 posted on 01/20/2006 3:00:52 PM PST by Syncro
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To: EagleUSA

"You don't put wimps into a fight with the mean boys...this has hurt us, and the Repub party, even more than most realize. Repubs now have an image of weakness which the Dems will not quit exploiting."




I also can't help but notice the HUGE irony in this. Republicans...especially within this administration, know better than anyone that showing weakness only emboldens your enemy. That they continue to ignore this little fact, (especially when it is their foundation for the WOT) just shows that they don't understand their (political) enemy. In this arena, they are the ones acting like the anti-war left...in their efforts to "just get along."


26 posted on 01/20/2006 3:05:09 PM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Thanatos
But would Al Gore's plan have prevented 9/11?

The fact that there have been no attacks on American soil since 9/11 proves the effectiveness of monitoring communications, with or without a warrant.

27 posted on 01/20/2006 3:05:53 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Cicero
McClellan is totally ineffective. They would do better putting a robot or a parrot into his job.

One of George Bush's beloved illegal aliens could do a great job and for less

A 'secure' Matricula Consular ID card

28 posted on 01/20/2006 3:08:53 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: feinswinesuksass

McClellan is such a weak, pathetic, little, little man.

Always has been, but since Bush keeps him in, I guess thats what they want /shrug


29 posted on 01/20/2006 3:09:31 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Shi'ite.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

There appears to be a lot of hypocrisy on this wiretapping issue. It's been a while but if I recall, Bill Clinton was the one who insisted that his Federal Communications Act (I think 1996) include provisions that would force the telecommunication industry to change their technology to make wiretapping easier. In fact, I think this was one of the bills that Bob Barr led the charge against when he was in congress.


30 posted on 01/20/2006 3:17:27 PM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: Cicero
McClellan is totally ineffective. They would do better putting a robot or a parrot into his job.

I was thinking more of a potted plant sitting on the podium.

31 posted on 01/20/2006 3:25:29 PM PST by Carling (http://www.marriedadults.com/howarddeanscreamaudio141jq.mp3)
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To: Thanatos

bump


32 posted on 01/20/2006 3:26:19 PM PST by timestax
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To: feinswinesuksass
You are sooooooooo right,That is the big problem,why can't they understand that!
33 posted on 01/20/2006 3:27:21 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: Thanatos
You know, there are a number of issues on which I disagree with George Bush, who Lord knows, knows better than I do, what's going on in the world. And so I am very reluctant to criticize him publicly (insofar as an internet forum is public). But when he won't defend himself---
The President's press secretary may be a wonderful person otherwise, but he is a disaster as a press secretary. President Bush does himself a disservice---and does another to the party, and yet another to America---when he declines to defend himself, and employs so ineffectual a spokesman as McClellan as his defender. That man is a fiasco unto himself.
Al Gore's charges must be answered. It matters not that he is a relative midget; I would rather the loyal opposition be represented by a giant, but Al Gore it is. He should be answered.
It is one of McClellan's better days, when he merely begs off---under the too-convenient rationale of self-evident superiority---rather than responds with his usual lameness. Such are McClellan's shortcomings, that forfeiture is better than engagement. But George Bush can do better. The most urgent order of business now is not to refute Al Gore, though that is certainly needful. It is to retire Mr. McClellan and get serious about speaking up for what is right and appropriate.
In other words, we can't begin to fight the Democrats, disordered minds and all, until we stop handicapping ourselves with spokesmen like Scott McClellan.
Mr. President, get rid of the hand you've tied behind your back, called Scott McClellan; and start fighting back against a viewpoint that very nearly half of all Americans take seriously. Because when you don't fight back, that's an answer too. When you don't fight back, a lot of people take it to mean that you can't.
34 posted on 01/20/2006 3:52:47 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE

ping


35 posted on 01/20/2006 3:57:16 PM PST by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))
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To: Brian Mosely
"For myself, the fact that Al Gore DOES NOT remember his own words and actions regarding government eavesdropping on American citizens really bugs me."

You mean, ". . .the fact that Al Gore REFUSES TO remember his own words and actions. . . " What a JERK!

36 posted on 01/20/2006 4:06:49 PM PST by jackibutterfly (.)
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To: Graymatter
You think the Republicans in the WH....think people can see Gore for what he is? Hoping they're not being too naive.

The internet is exposing how looney most folks in and out of the states really are. It's gotten to be mostly like the mentality of 'small town USA.' Lots of gossip buzzing around without much truth to the buzz whatsoever.

37 posted on 01/20/2006 4:13:23 PM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: shield

A difference between the Clinton Admin and the Bush Admin is that the Clinton Admin acted like they were in election campaign mode at all times. The Bush Admin does not.


38 posted on 01/20/2006 4:18:36 PM PST by OldArmy52 (U.S. jobs moved to China& India: Jobs Americans won't do (manuf/accounting/medical/..))
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To: Thanatos

Clipper Chip Bump


39 posted on 01/20/2006 4:21:22 PM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: Graymatter

"The President's press secretary may be a wonderful person otherwise, but he is a disaster as a press secretary. President Bush does himself a disservice---and does another to the party, and yet another to America---when he declines to defend himself, and employs so ineffectual a spokesman as McClellan as his defender. That man is a fiasco unto himself."

Exactly. He bores me to tears. He lets the likes of that rat-faced liberal, what's his name, David Gregory (from MSNBC) attack him like he's a pinata, and does nothing to strike back. Just stands there and takes it. He is humorless, not quick thinking, and a really really bad choice for a press secretary. If his only "virtue" is that he is close-mouthed, then the Bush Admin totally misses the point of a press secretary, and what qualities that person should bring to the table, like nimbleness of thought, a sense of humor, how to finesse nasty questions and questioners, and how to tout his bosses' party line at the same time. You can still be silent about certain things while having the above qualities also. McClellan has one quality only, being close-mouthed. Not good enough by a longshot.

Bush takes loyalty to an extreme. Anyone with two eyes can see that McClellen is not the man for the job, but Bush, myopically, will choose not to see it or do anything about it, to the detriment of his Admin's goals and the Pub party.


40 posted on 01/20/2006 4:27:44 PM PST by flaglady47
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To: Carling
I was thinking more of a potted plant sitting on the podium.

We need Stick Man for press secretary!

41 posted on 01/20/2006 5:23:07 PM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: samadams2000

McClelland's mother is running as an "independant" in Texas for governor. She is trying to take down the Republican. Maybe it IS a family thing.


42 posted on 01/20/2006 5:26:59 PM PST by packrat35 (The America hating bastards at the NYT must spend their entire life with their heads in the toilet)
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To: nightdriver

You would think that after five years of 'setting a new tone' the administration would get it. It just ain't gonna happen guys.


43 posted on 01/20/2006 5:27:26 PM PST by Roccus
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To: flaglady47

"West Wing" ratings are cratering, hire C. J. Cregg, or better, her writers off the show. This is getting absurd. Echelon has been in the public since 1988 at the latest. Actually, had Gore not made noise in public about it, Clipper Chip may have quietly become a reality. I strongly suspect other, more troublesome ways have been found to get the same result or the intel people would still be pushing for it. I don't claim to really understand the math, but I'm not willing to put total faith in 128 bit encryption.

My libertarian soul objects, but reality, I have assumed since as early as the drug war runs around the Fourth and Fifth Amendments that any electronic communication could be being overheard. Can't think of much in the way of threats to national security such an effort would have uncovered by listening to me. I guess if I were having an affair with the wife of someone in NSA, I'd stay off the phone about it.

It has always struck me as naive to assume any government with the tech capability to listen would not use it. I guess McClellan is doing what he is told, but Bush really needs to hit back on this.


44 posted on 01/20/2006 6:01:03 PM PST by barkeep
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To: Thanatos

Let's also not forget that, during Clinton's administration (1999), the FDIC tried to start a "Know-Your-Customer" law by which banks would be required to profile all their customers' checkwriting, deposit and withdrawal patterns without so much as any suspicion of criminal activity by the customer.


45 posted on 01/21/2006 8:29:48 AM PST by NRA1995 (GOOOOOOO STEELERS!!!)
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To: Thanatos

Link to Cato Institute's write-up of the 1999 proposed "Know-Your-Customer" law.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/02-04-99.html


46 posted on 01/21/2006 8:31:48 AM PST by NRA1995 (GOOOOOOO STEELERS!!!)
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