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Boy scouts cutting public ties, Fear lawsuits over 'God' in oath
NorthJersey.com ^ | 01.20.06 | DEENA YELLIN

Posted on 01/21/2006 1:03:05 PM PST by Coleus

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To: MarMema
Being an Eagle Scout helps on college admissions. The Marines make it an immediate promotion to PFC in boot camp. It is a mark of accomplishment on a resume that can put you in line for an interview when others are passed over. While it tilts the odds in your favor, you still have to perform. The practical skills learned in pursuing Eagle Scout are the things are have lasting value in everyday life.

Good luck to your son. Tenacity pays dividends.

51 posted on 01/21/2006 8:10:36 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: kittymyrib

Maybe the Amish had it right all these years! I can't say I would want to go without modern conveniences, but the rest I could nicely do without!


52 posted on 01/21/2006 8:29:59 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
"This legal terrorism by the ACLU against the BSA is as good as ANY reason for modern day civil warfare as I've ever seen. Just like the Confederates at Ft Sumter, NC. We need to fire a few cannon rounds and lay siege to the ACLU headquarters."

Mister Speakr, a correction: It's SOUTH, By God, Carolina, suh! :)
53 posted on 01/21/2006 9:58:00 PM PST by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC
I stand corrected! I'm sorry about that. I know these facts and get em' crossed up.

You're absolutly right. Charleston SOUTH Carolina. I've been there and took the tour and stood on that sacred ground myself. Also looked around on the USS Yorktown and seen the Apollo capsule and the whole bit.

Charlston is one of my favorite southern cities.

54 posted on 01/21/2006 10:06:57 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Silence is a good fence for wisdom.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Good picture. The ACLU is a thoroughly evil organization. It is a serious enemy of all that makes our country great. We were talking tonight about the degradation that has happened in the last few years - 20 years ago no one would believe what is happening now, and the destruction of morality and traditional values is speeding up.

The ACLU has to be taken apart, defunded, and (my dream), indicted, arrested, taken to court, found guilty of a whole buncha bad stuff, and jailed.


55 posted on 01/22/2006 12:00:34 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Coleus
An image that the ACLU hates:


56 posted on 01/22/2006 8:49:15 AM PST by fwdude (The worst advice you can give some people is "Be yourself")
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To: Myrddin
I hope he does as well. I gather the Eagle BOR is much tougher than the previous ones?

My older son just turned 15 last week and is about to make Star, as I posted. He has already completed part of the SM conference for Star but it turned out he needed one more week as a patrol leader, so they're planning to finish it up next week.

We're just hoping the fumes don't get him... I know a lot of Scouts lose interest as they get older. I hear that Star is where a lot of them lose motivation or drop out.

I think merit badges are what keeps this one of mine going. He loves them and always has a few in-process.

Also we are fortunate to be a terrific troop with great leadership and lots of parental involvement.

Let me know how your nephew does..you were amazing to reach Eagle at 15. Did you get Palms after that? My son wants to get 3 Palms - we're assuming it's ok to get the merit badges now..

57 posted on 01/22/2006 11:15:51 AM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: SandRat
Thanks for always keeping me knowledgeable and on my toes. Hope the search process is going well. There have to be potential commissioners out there - it's just a matter of finding them.

I find a lot of MBCs just talking to people at work. There are an amazing number of Eagle Scouts out there whose kids have just grown up and left home. They're often ready to jump back in and give some time and support.

58 posted on 01/22/2006 11:30:39 AM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: MarMema

In fact as of last Thurdsday I have 15 and solid leads on at least 5 more. That will leave me with 12 more to recruit after that.

I've picked up a member of the Camping Committee, and 3 MBCs that same way but at the Joint Service Clubs monthly meeting. Working on someone about to retire from the news business to take on Journalism, Public Speaking, and be the District Publicity Chair. When you're part of the Key-3 you end up doing lots of things.

That reminds me, got to call the local cable tv provider on Monday to see if I can convince them as a tribute to Scout Week to Run Walt Disney's "Follow Me Boys" starring Fred MacMurry, on the weekend that starts it and the weekend that ends it. Say! Why don't you do the same in your area?


59 posted on 01/22/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
That's a great idea! I had forgotten about Scout Sunday coming up. It's in Feb as I recall...is that also Scout week?

Good job on your recruiting! You're making a lot of progress already.
Our sick friend's wife is Key 3, btw, and also one of the Vice Chairs. Got an email from her yesterday and it sounds like he is doing much better now.

Key 3 is a lot of work, I know. Hope you have a great DE to work with. That seems to make a huge difference. I try to take ours to lunch every few months as a thank you. I know he works at least 60 hour weeks routinely. And I have to collect mbc paperwork from him anyway....

Public Speaking is one that I hoped both of my boys would consider. I think it's a terrific badge. I keep lining it up for a fair and then it ends up turning into Communications, because mbcs for one are also usually for the other. And Scouts wanting Communications are endless! I keep wondering where they all come from...

My boys just came home (exhausted) from winter camp, one with Forestry and the other with Mammal Study.

60 posted on 01/22/2006 1:55:59 PM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: MarMema

Scout week is 4 - 12 February.

The DC is my former boss at work and the DE is an eager young fellow (newlywed too). He's going to be alright I think. Has a lot to learn yet but he's coming along nicely and willing to learn and help.

The line for the Communications MB is understandable as it's a required one for Eagle.

Keep an eye on their progress and age towards Eagle and contemplate challenging them to go for the Hornaday Conservation Award once Eagle is done. That's a MAJOR Award for after Eagle and tough to earn.

From the sound of how they came home they'll sleep well tonight and be in bed early.


61 posted on 01/22/2006 2:15:00 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Myrddin
I always counsel scouts seeking to be Eagle scouts to get it done early and leave room to solve problems that may arise.

That is what happened to me. ended up with not enough time to get Eagle. "Life" and a 73 World Jambo were great accomplishments for me.

62 posted on 01/22/2006 2:29:56 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: MarMema
Let me know how your nephew does..you were amazing to reach Eagle at 15. Did you get Palms after that? My son wants to get 3 Palms - we're assuming it's ok to get the merit badges now..

My dad earned 42 merit badges...just because 21 was the minumum requirement. I moved on on DeMolay after making Eagle. Served as 7th Preceptor, Senior Councilor and Master Councilor. They needed some leadership. I was able to double the size of the chapter and keep folks active. I headed off to UCSD at age 17 and didn't have much time for Scouts or DeMolay. 18 to 22 units per quarter doesn't leave much free time. I graduated in June 1972 at age 19 with a degree in Molecular Biology.

The broad range of skills acquired in Scouts via merit badges and leadership positions continues to pay dividends. Attaining a particular rank is like getting a gold star on a spelling test. It's what you learned on the way that matters.

63 posted on 01/22/2006 4:11:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Coleus

I will at least double my annual contribution.


64 posted on 01/22/2006 4:13:45 PM PST by nygoose
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To: nygoose

Many people will. When a group accepts government money, it sells its soul to the Devil.

I don't think it's always badly intentioned on the part of the govt - Bush's plan to give money to churches for various social services is certainly not intended to harm the churches. But another President or a crazed judge comes along, and suddenly this money (which is not even much, usually) means that the church or private organization in question has to give up all its core beliefs and distinctiveness and adopt the bizarre PC ideas of a government that is increasingly at odds with the beliefs of its citizens.


65 posted on 01/22/2006 4:19:16 PM PST by livius
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To: sausageseller
I wanted to go to Philmont, but that never happened. My nephew did get to go. My parents could only manage to get me to scout camp once when we were in Virginia. That one time netted advancement to 2nd class, swimming merit badge, cooking merit badge, rowing merit badge, canoing merit badge and a mile swim patch. The Goshen scout camp was really first class.

My two favorite "jamboree" events were at Yorktown in 1968 and the 200th Anniversary in San Diego. The area where I camped at the 1969 event was about 1/4 mile from where the house I purchased in 1983 was built.

I had the pleasure of standing on the tarmac at Miramar Naval Air Station as the first F-14 Tomcat arrived with the Secretary of the Navy in the RIO seat. That pre-dated the formation of the Top Gun school. It was also the event that grow into the annual Miramar Air Show. My troop had been invited to pass out the airshow schedule flyers.

66 posted on 01/22/2006 4:21:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: nygoose

Thank you and please bypass the United Way and give directly to your local scouting council.


67 posted on 01/22/2006 4:46:40 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: SandRat
and contemplate challenging them to go for the Hornaday Conservation Award once Eagle is done. That's a MAJOR Award for after Eagle and tough to earn.

OK, that's it! We were just upstairs talking about this an hour ago. You either have a camera in our home or you need to go get a lottery ticket. :-)

I am wondering why you said "after Eagle", though.

My oldest son is interested in it now.
He has two of the bold MB requirements - Env Science, and now Forestry.
And he has two of the non-bold MBs - Fishing and Nuclear Science.

So all he needs is Fish and Wildlife, which he just got a signed blue card for....and to do the project.

We were also talking about the World Conservation Panda. My oldest son just needs Fish and Wildlife for that as well.

Glad to hear you like your DE!

68 posted on 01/22/2006 5:31:24 PM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: Myrddin
That one time netted advancement to 2nd class, swimming merit badge, cooking merit badge, rowing merit badge, canoing merit badge and a mile swim patch.

That was one busy and wet week! We've been looking at Rowing for my youngest son, but it's not offered much out here and looks pretty tough.

69 posted on 01/22/2006 5:33:21 PM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: Myrddin
It's what you learned on the way that matters.

Yep. That's what I love about merit badges. My oldest son has 21 now, and my youngest has 15. I hope to keep them going getting as many of them as they find interesting and possible to complete. Even the ones like Bird Study are just incredible for general knowledge and opening their little teenage minds to new things. :-)

I know you meant more than merit badges, too, but I'm just the mom and not really involved in other parts of their Scout lives like my husband is...

70 posted on 01/22/2006 5:38:15 PM PST by MarMema (He will bring us goodness and Light.)
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To: MarMema
The music and bugling merit badges were a piece of cake. I was in the habit of practicing my trumpet 3 hours per day to stay in the first seat. The electricity, radio and electronics merit badges were easy too. I eventually parlayed that experience into an Extra Class ham license and First Class Radiotelephone license. Mastering Morse code in scouts made that part of the ham license dirt simple.

I surprised my mom by earning the Firemanship merit badge while she was on a 3-day visit to Honolulu, Hawaii to see my dad during one of his cruises.

The merit badge counselor for the Markmanship merit badge was also the local examiner for the hunter's safety exam required to get a hunting license in California. I passed the hunter's safety exam and the merit badge requirements in one sitting. The shooting part was dead simple. Five groups, 3 shots per group at 50 feet. Each group must be small enough to cover with a quarter. I do that at 100 yards and cover it with a dime today.

This was my sighting in target to see how close the scope was to center. I still have 15 rounds in the box of 20 to finish moving the group to dead center.

71 posted on 01/22/2006 6:19:52 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Coleus
...please bypass the United Way

I always bypass United Way and The American Red Cross. Go Salvation Army!

72 posted on 01/22/2006 7:20:09 PM PST by nygoose
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To: little jeremiah

LJ.....thats my prayer too....that this bully trouble-stirring organization ACLU gets utterly crushed and destroyed for the evil deeds done. Targeting the Boy Scouts makes them worse than stank diarrhea.


73 posted on 01/22/2006 7:29:51 PM PST by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Myrddin
While it tilts the odds in your favor, you still have to perform.

Unlike so many resume enhancers, you have to learn *How* to perform to get this one. I miss scouting. It would have been nice to have had a child to re-experience it with.

74 posted on 01/22/2006 8:11:36 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Iran: We have to be cruel to be kind.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; Wampus SC
Charleston SOUTH Carolina

That's ok, on another thread today a poster rather huffily proclaimed "I wasn't there to see Grant's march to the sea either, but it doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it!" Reminds me of that line from Animal House "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???"

75 posted on 01/22/2006 8:14:37 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Iran: We have to be cruel to be kind.)
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To: MarMema

The Hornaday requires 4 separate projects that are equal to Eagle in 4 separate areas of conservation/nature/wildife/forestry etc. Carefully check out the requirements. It's available on the web and if you can't find it let me know and I'll send you the link.

And no, I don't have a spying device in your house! Scouts Honor! LOL!!!


76 posted on 01/23/2006 11:38:18 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: nygoose
Go Salvation Army! >>>

they're set for life, Ray Kroc's wife too care of that.
77 posted on 01/23/2006 2:11:38 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus

Boy the "tolerant" Liberals never give up, do they.


78 posted on 01/23/2006 2:12:32 PM PST by Sometimes A River
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To: kjo

* has become * ?

Friend, the communist ACLU has long been an enemy of the USA.


79 posted on 01/23/2006 2:13:45 PM PST by Sometimes A River
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To: Coleus

My family was Scout family. We were told by our leaders
that Scout Groups should be organized from natural play
groups in the neighborhood and to meet in one another's
homes. This worked pretty well except the jewish children
would not speak up when we celebrated Christmas and other
holidays and parents got upset when we sang Christmas Carols. Communication is important from the parents because
leaders want their Scouts to be compatible and to learn to
get along.
The group began to fall apart at age 13 when the boys
began to feel that Scouts was "baby stuff". Our boys grew up to be well educated professioals and polite to others and with outdoor skills they would not have had without Scouts.
More effort needs to be made to get along, among the
parents as well as the boys.


80 posted on 01/23/2006 2:26:51 PM PST by twidle
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To: twidle

More effort needs to be made to get along, among the
parents as well as the boys. >>

We do get along. There are many mixed race/religion/ethnic group troops around especially in metropolitan areas.


81 posted on 01/23/2006 3:35:35 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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