Skip to comments.American Jews: Why Are You Still Liberal?
Posted on 01/21/2006 4:33:39 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy
Palestinians are embracing a government of armed thugs. Syria engineered a political assassination in Lebanon, and are sending terrorists all over the world. Saudi Arabia is seriously torn between the modern world and 14th Century Islamofascism. Ariel Sharon is recovering from a coma. And Irans leader, after openly coveting the destruction of Israel, began processing uranium for atomic bombs.
American Jews: Why are you still liberal?
From various wars to the Intifadah, American liberal Democrat policy has placated and encouraged Israels enemies for over 50 years. Once, the resulting mayhem could be managed by a bit of diplomacy coupled with a few well-placed missiles or a proper tank shot. But now, for the first time in its history, Israel is vulnerable to one single atomic event that could bring about instant, irrevocable elimination of their homeland. And its right on the doorstep.
Tell me, please, American Jews: do you think its time you took the enemies of Israel seriously?
Allow me to take a time-out here. This is not one of those damned Jews rants from an Idaho white separatist group. Jews, like any other nationality, race or religion are welcome to join Americas wonderful national experiment. Yet for some disturbing reason, the American Jew has been the second-most reliable Democrat voting block (behind blacks). Enamored with socialist liberalism, which over the last century caused over 150 million deaths worldwide, including at least 6 million Jews (Nazi stood for National Socialist), American Jews helped seek the destruction of the constitutional value pillars rooted in individualism that granted American freedom and power.
But unwilling to admit failure of their vaunted welfare state, Democrats have evolved into a party so virulently opposed to any opposition, they have become rabid fools and traitors. Of course, Americans are free to be fools. We even tolerate traitors to an astounding degree. But for any Jew, this is no longer a squabble for Americas political turf. We are facing nuclear annihilation of the Jewish homeland. So if you have a stake in the situation, and certainly any Jew should, consider recent history. George Bushs successful overthrow of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein marked the first time in centuries that anyone seriously tried to shred the dangerous unholy alliances, that held the ugly Middle East status quo. Now, 58 million neighboring Arabs werent merely freed, but two armies also disappeared. Libya surrendering a surprisingly vast nuclear and biological weapons program. Egypt grudgingly allowed real elections with real opposition parties. Syria withdrew its military from Lebanon. And Bush exposed the corrupt, anti-Semitic vermin running rampant through the hallowed halls of the United Nations. And for that matter, Paris, Berlin, Brussels and Moscow. There is no legitimate comparison between what George Bush has accomplished in the Middle East and any previous American President.
Its obvious George Bushs strategy clearly favors Israels survival. And it is equally obvious that the Democrat effort to prevent Bushs success presents a direct threat to Israel. Yet the pedestrian American Jew is still liplocked with liberals, attacking Bush for his boldness and standing in the way of success. Could there be a greater assist to the enemies of Israel?
This presents American Jews with quite a paradox. After successfully helping Democrats turn national and world opinion against Bush, who will muzzle a nuclear armed Iran? You can bet the French and Germans wont be marching into Tehran soon. Russia? They are supplying Iranians with uranium. So whos left? If Tel Aviv disappears in a mushroom cloud, will liberal Jews blame George Bush for not sending Big Red One? Probably. But at that point, such hypocritical bleatings may be a bit late.
So what does the American Jew need? A stern warning? A hard slap? A nuclear detonation? Whether by rote habit, sheer stupidity or unthinking arrogance, American Jews are so blindly liberal, they openly put Israel at risk of total annihilation. What Adolph Hitler could not achieve, American Jews may ironically wreak upon their own homeland.
In this war for Middle East, freedom, Americans may accuse American Democrats of being dopes, dupes and traitors. But what adjective accurately describes the American liberal Jew, who would allow his homeland to be destroyed out of blind political folly? No further debate remains. Israel is in atomic peril. American liberal Democrats want to keep it that way. Republicans want to save Israel. The American Jew has run out of excuses. So please, for the sake of your very homeland, answer the question. American Jews: Why are you still liberal?
I never understood it eiher. People I know vote for the left on automatic. Doesn't make any sense. Does anything?
Oh, get a grip!
You get a grip. "American Catholics, why did most of you vote for Clinton!"
Because Israel isn't their main concern (nor should it be). They're liberal because they're pro-abort, anti-gun, pro-multicult, etc. ....and have, as have non-Jewish liberals, equated "the right wing" in American politics with Nazism. ....an association that's so ingrained it'll be next to impossible to dispel.
The author seems unaware that most American Jews do not place a high priority on Israel.
See? That's who someone who's assimilated enough to American language and thinking can use quantifiers. But what should we expect from neo-Nazi inbreeds?
I've wondered about this many times. Not being Jewish, I cannot answer but only guess.
As Conservatives we expect a logical answer, but logic does not apply here.
My guess is it is a cultural trait that goes back to tribal times and is passed down generation to generation.
ding ding. we have a winner.
That's how someone who's assimilated enough to American language and thinking can use quantifiers.
And my point is that pointing fingers at specific groups of Democrats is evil and/or idiotic. For example, people from Christian families who are left/liberal vastly outnumber left/liberal Jews. Why are so many supposedly "conservative" columnists harping so much about less than 2% of our population?
As a conservative Jew - from a large liberal Jewish family - here are some insights: There is a hangover in the Jewish community from the bigotry of the earlier part of the 20th century that, according to people like my grandparents, has a vague Republican aroma, such as preventing Jews from going to Ivy League schools, or closing off the country clubs and certain communities to Jews. Second, the association between Jews and blacks during the civil rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s coincided with the Democratic Party's effort to link themselves to the issue. Third, a lot of Jews live in the New York metro area (all of my relatives do, except for my sister and I), and the politics of the area are skewed toward the Democrats from a century of machine politics (Tammany Hall, for instance). Finally, a lot of us are college-educated - which means that those of us who are utopians tend toward elitist, "philosopher-king" ideologies, such as socialism.
I agree with the focus of this article. It is so sad to see the movement of those who want to exterminate the Jews do so with the implicit consent of the American Jews. On the other hand, this isn't the first time in our history where a large portion of the Jewish people have ignored dangers, turned away from tradition, or split into factionalism. God didn't call us a "stiff-necked lot" for no reason.
False numbers. Faulty reasoning.
Why did you think , even for an instant , that you could post something as heretical as this here>
IMO, they're courting the destruction of America and all it stands for. Particularly, the America that has been a haven for oppressed people the world over.
As it happens, I had an American Jew tell me today that if the Christian Right in this country continued to gain power, many American Jews intend to migrate to Australia. Needless to say, this astounded me.
How could it be that Jews distrust Christians as much as or maybe more than they distrust Muslims? The answer is of course in history. Until just recently, Christians have been as ruthlessly cruel to Jews as Muslims have been. Jews feel they can trust and cope with liberals who have no religion and believe in nothing strongly enough to kill for, but they distrust anyone whose religion could, and has in the past, threaten them.
You get a grip. "American Catholics, why did most of you vote for Clinton!"
Although I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, that's also a legitimate question. I'm Catholic, and I for one just don't get that, either. Maybe they believe that pap that Jesus was a liberal/socialist/communist (ignoring that liberal/socialist/communist thought has been used as an excuse to butcher about 150,000,000 people in the last 60 years). The ironies include that leftist support basically everything that most Christians and Catholics proclaim to oppose, from the "right" to kill unborn babies to pornography and assaults on the traditional family.
Frankly, I think it's also just cultural -- Catholics since the days of FDR have been Catholic, and that trait just gets passed down from generation to generation.
Because being Jewish or Catholic is more of a "Status symbol" than anything, atleast for some. A lot don't even practice but like having the tag...
Speaking on behalf of Mr. Nasty, how does this sound: "Some Jews in New York were somewhat responsible for the election of Hillary Clinton as their Senator.
Or, how about Democratic congressman from CA Tom Lantos, also a Jew, who while not exactly a supporter of the Bush Administration, nevertheless takes every opportunity to voice his displeasure over the current administration's policies.......
Mr. Nasty is speaking in generalities which are based in truth. Jews elected Hillary in New York and Lantos in Californicate........
Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel for most American Jews. Dumbocraps' and other moonbats' language sounds more and more like OBL's (and vice versa). Heck, OBL's last tape was largely a reiteration of the Dumbocraps' talking points. Read something written by Michael Moore and an English translation of something OBL is saying these days, and it's frankly hard to tell who wrote which one. That might just be enough to wake many Jews up to the fact that OBL and leftists are on basically the same side, and it's not a side that American Jews should support.
As for most of my fellow the Catholics, I've largely lost hope.
So is there any hope of them opening their eyes?
Ironic also, how most black voters go democratic, with the ACTUAL history of the democrats and the klan, slavery, the true records on civil rights, not to mention robert byrd, the plantation in the house... people are not educated!
It took my mother 30 years to come to grips with the fact that I became an observant Jew.
She still can't accept that I am a Republican.
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You made some good points.
A high percentage of people from Protestant families (too high) also vote for Democrats for the same reasons. My quote was only one example of many to make the point. And I wrote "most"--something the author of the stupid piece above didn't bother with. Why are so many columnists and posters here so obsessed with about 70% percent of an American group that only comprises about 2% of our population?
The Democrat Party is comprised of people from all kinds of religious backgrounds, and very few of them are Jewish (because few people in our country are Jewish).
Answer, IMO: authors like the idiot who wrote the piece above are trying to split the Orthodox/Republican Jewish voters off from our Republican Party and rile Christian Republicans up against Jewish people in general. Most such dishonest defamation pieces are written by the pantywaist, Buchanan Euro-brigade--a very small fringe element in our politics.
The same thing can be said about the blacks in this country. The Democratic party has successfully been able to shift the blame of racisim and anti-semitism from themselves to the Republican party but only with the assistance of the socialist MSM.........
FWIW tho, when I attended a Bush appearance last fall at the Pontiac Silverdome, the "Jews for Bush" crowd were out there in full force the majority of whom were college kids and voting age highschoolers. Boy was that refreshing to see!!!
the title should also include "& Blacks"
Democrats are by far closer to the ideals of the National Socialist "American" Workers Party than anything since 1945.
Benedict XVI has been doing some good work to turn European sentiment toward mutual concerns (terrorism for one) with Jewish people and consolidate all of us against real threats. Maybe that will work out some.
Radical Islam is the problem. Most Orthodox Jews stand with the rest of us to fight terrorism. Neo-Nazis are trying to distract from that and get the focus away from their Jihadi friends.
If one remembers that most of America's Jews had grandparents or parents who came from either Germany (Marxism oriented) or Russia (Communism oriented) there remains only the pressing question of why teh continuing love of socialism?
IMHO, it is simply something absorbed while growing up. Oops - make that getting older but no wiser.
I believe that the Eastern European Jewish cultural memory reflexively equates a devout "Christian" with the East European "Christian" (in the loose sense of the word) mobs that devastated Jewish communities in Czarist Russia and Poland in the 19th and early 20th Century pogroms.
Their ancestral memory equates a devout "Christian" with :
These pogroms were not only tolerated but sometimes even encouraged by Czarist authorities.
It is no wonder then that Eastern European Jews were such a large component of the early Communist movement. In theory at least, Communism offered the overthrow of the hated Czarist regime, the destruction of the "Christian" religion whose clerics encouraged the pogroms and the establishment of a secular state with complete equality for Jews.
However, theory and practice are two different things. Over 90% of the Jews who fled the Czarist Russian pogroms ended up in the United States. Most of those came before the birth of the Soviet Union. They never saw the evils of the Communist system first hand.
So, the ancestral mind set becomes:
Czar = Bad.
Communism = Enemy of the Czar = Good.
Christians who take religion seriously = Pogrom = Dead Jews = Really Bad.
Secularism = No Christians = No Pogroms = Really Good.
Of course, the 21st Century American Bible Belt Protestant, who doesn't know a pogrom from a pierogi, is a totally different animal from the 19th Century Russian "Christian" peasant burning down great-garndpa's village.
However, the Eastern European Jewish ancestral memory A.) Does not realize that or B.) Doesn't want to take any chances.
This also explains the Eastern European Jewish fascination with the Left.
Large numbers of Eastern European Ashkenazi Jews were seduced by Communism because it was the enemy of the Czarist Russia under which they had suffered for so long. The Eastern European Jews followed the philosophy of, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
You won't find the same infatuation with Communism among Sephardic Jews.
Unfortunately, this love affair with Communism was brought to America by late 19th Century and early 20th Century Jewish immigrants before they had a chance to see for themselves what a horror Communism was. Throughout the 20th Century, the children and grandchildren of many of these early Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants were raised as "Red Diaper Babies" without questioning whether Grandpa's love of Bolshevism in the 1910's was justified.
The "Red Diaper" Jewish generations are now dying off from old age. The new Ashkenazi Jewish generations are seeing for themselves that the Left has embraced the new enemies of America which also happen to be the enemies of the Jews.
Following the "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" phenomenon, I see greater numbers of the younger Jewish generation leaving Grandpa's Bolshevism behind and coming over to the Republican Party.
Wow! Excellent analysis!!!
Nope. It's the truth. In fact, up until several hundred years ago, Jews generally had it better under Muslim rulers than under Christian rulers. The "golden ages" of Jewish culture, before the past several-hundred years were 9th and 10th century Muslim Spain (before the Muslim fundamentalist Almoravides took over in the mid-11th century) and the Ottoman Empire of the 16 and 17th Century.
The latter incidentally, was mainly the result of Ferdinand and Isabella kicking the Jews out of Spain and the Ottoman Sultan Beyazid taking in as many as he could get (including one of my ancestors).
Your point is so articulately stated that I must now reconsider my position and readjust my thinking on this subject. Thank you for putting me straight.
The jews are more worried about abortion and homosexual "rights" than in Israel's survival.
I'm an Ashkenazi Jew and I can still remember my grandparents telling me, point blank, that the Christians are the ones who wanted to kill us and that I should never, ever trust them. (This probably explains my statement to my son that the reason I have guns is that when they kick in the door to take me away, I'll at least have the satisfaction of taking out three or four of the bastards myself.) However, your remarks about the older generation's feelings from Mother Russia really hit home with me - as well as my own observation that living next door to the Baptists, Catholics, and other Christians here in my own town has been overwhelmingly positive. (My grandparents have had to have the gut-wrenching experience watching two of their family marry Catholics, too - including me.)
I liked your presentation a lot. It sure explains things well.
Thank you. Great post. Very illuminating. I think it's easy to forget how far back the roots of some phenomena go, and just look at the seemingly irrational gap between present realities and people's behavior. You give reason for hope for the future.
Ironically, Orthodox 'Ashkenazim are more similar to American Fundamentalist Protestants than are Sefaradim. The former are more puritanical in religious outlook while the latter have the laid-back attitude of Louisiana Cajuns and some even are open to higher criticism.
Actually, George W. Bush made some inroads among Jewish voters in 2004.
>Why are so many supposedly "conservative" columnists harping so much about less than 2% of our population?
I wonder myself why too. I mean, they're numerically irrelevant leftists. Were I in charge of RNC, I'd go after bigger ethnic groups to expand our tend.
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