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Tancredo: House understands border issues, but Senate doesn’t
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona ^ | Jan 21, 2006 | Bill Hess

Posted on 01/21/2006 5:02:47 PM PST by SandRat

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To: ViLaLuz
When at least a million plus cross the canadian border illegally every year then well need to talk about sealing it. For now we can do what Bush wants to do with the southern border: Get control of it so we know who is coming across so we can weed out drug runners, criminals and terrorists. We dont need a fence on the northern border, the people there respect our sovereignty.
21 posted on 01/22/2006 12:02:14 PM PST by mthom
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To: Ben Ficklin
If we grant so many temp worker visas to mexico that no mexican will feel the need to cross illegaly, which is what Bush explicitly endorses, then that is essentially a free flow of labor.
22 posted on 01/22/2006 12:04:38 PM PST by mthom
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To: Ben Ficklin

Still flacking for the pro-illegal alien/OBL/cheap labor lobby, I see. Must be getting harder for you, though, what with so few quislings left around FR. Better start recruiting a new crop.


23 posted on 01/22/2006 12:12:10 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar
I'm sure you have seen one of the numerous articles on the RNC endorsement. More bad news.

I guess a bunch of them voted absentee?

24 posted on 01/22/2006 12:28:59 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Have you found a politician that supports your position of reducing naturalization? Bush sure doesnt in fact he has called for more legal immigration. Funny youre so silent on that issue now.
25 posted on 01/22/2006 12:31:29 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom
Those are the details that Bush left up up Congress.

If Congress, for some unknown reason, were to hash out those details, they would probably resemble the H5A and H5B proposed by McK, but without the Green Card language, of course.

26 posted on 01/22/2006 12:32:58 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Bush, Chertoff, as well as many surrogates have repeatedly called for the border traffic caused by workers to be diverted to legitimate ports of entry thus making it clear that anyone jumping the border illegally is a criminal of some sort who couldnt qualify, drug runner, or terrorist. The difference between this position and one that supports a free flow of labor is semantic at best.
27 posted on 01/22/2006 12:38:19 PM PST by mthom
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To: Ben Ficklin
"I'm sure you have seen one of the numerous articles on the RNC endorsement. More bad news"

More bad news, indeed, but for the RNC. You Hispandering GOP Big Tent party-over-principle types just never learn. You will never recruit enough illegal alien voters to make up for loss of the conservative base. And we're deserting Mehlman by the thousands. Check with your RNC RINO buddies and ask them how the 2006 "survey" and "membership" drives are going. Also ask them how many 2006 membership cards have been returned cut in half.

Should be enlightening, even for you GOP Big Tenters.

28 posted on 01/22/2006 12:42:22 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Ben Ficklin
No, Bush first made that offer in 2004.

The premise behind offering to allow a rise in naturalization is one of compromise. If the dems would abandon their position of converting the illegals(10-20 million) to greencard holders to naturalization to citizen, Bush would a back, let's say for discussion purposes, a 1 million increase in naturalization.

That's a good compromise, especially if it would split enough dems away from the official party position.

29 posted on 01/22/2006 12:42:56 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Czar
"And we're deserting"

All 1 percent of you?

30 posted on 01/22/2006 12:45:08 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

The Bush plan stipulates an annual increase.


31 posted on 01/22/2006 12:45:34 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom

What Bush plan? What annual increase?


32 posted on 01/22/2006 12:47:49 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-1.html

"Reasonable Annual Increase of Legal Immigrants: A reasonable increase in the annual limit of legal immigrants will benefit those who follow the lawful path to citizenship."

Also note the Bush supports allowing illegals turned guest workers being allowed to stay in country as they pursue citizenship.


33 posted on 01/22/2006 12:50:48 PM PST by mthom
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To: MillerCreek
I'm still stunned at the arrogance of the Mexican government that insists there is some "right" of their citizens to invade the United States, to do so by way of ignoring the legal requirements to enter the country.

I have no idea whether or not Ambassador Garza means what he says, but here is what he's been quoted as saying.

Border controversy continues for U.S. and Mexico - January 21, 2006

Antonio Garza, the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, has been forced to take a defensive stance towards growing international criticism over U.S.-Mexico border security.

Garza believes illegal immigrants do not have a right to seek employment in any country but their own.

Garza said, "Illegal immigration is a threat to our system of laws and an affront to the millions around the world, including Mexico, who play by the rules in seeking to come to the U.S,".

[snip]

Garza cited that roughly 1 million Mexican immigrants were granted some form of entry to the U.S. last year. This number is outweighed by the 1.2 million arrests that were issued because of illegal immigration.

[snip]

Garza's strategy in deflecting criticism has been more or less by discrediting what his opposition has to say. He told reporters the other side's accusations are "excessive, often irresponsible and almost always inaccurate."

In response to the idea that security measures increase the danger level along the border, Garza called upon the Mexican government to play a more active role in preventing their citizens from entering the U.S. illegally.

[snip]

34 posted on 01/22/2006 1:03:48 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
Smokescreen. At the same time they talk about being fair in our immigration process they propose policies that will give mexicans an even greater preference than they already have.
35 posted on 01/22/2006 1:07:16 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom
You are misreading. When he says that there would be increase in the annual limit, that means a one time increase, not an increase every year. The dems aren't going for this because they know that the pubs can come back and throw up barriers(more barriers) in the process that would effectively negate any increase.

As for standing in the rear of Green Card line, itdepends on how you read it. If we read as you are reading it, where they are is irrelevant since that line is longer than 6 years and the guest worker will have the ability to come and go so that he will be able to apply at home. If anything, it benefits those who come from futher away(Asia) over those whose home is close(Mex).

What Bush has proposed here is not binding and is entirely up to how Congress wants to work out the details.

36 posted on 01/22/2006 1:33:13 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

That line can be read either way. An annual increase would be a yearly increase while an increase in the annual limit could mean a one time increase. Likely deliberately vague. The greencard language benefits the mexicans more by simple numbers. They have a 20+million head start.


37 posted on 01/22/2006 1:41:20 PM PST by mthom
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Go back and read the Republican Party Platform Planks when Reagan was Governor of California and President of the United States and compare them to the Bush/Rove/RNC Platform Planks of today."

"Then ask yourself, 'Who stabbed who in the back?'"

You can blow all the smoke you want to, but can't deny that the Republican Party Platform has taken a major lurch to the Left.

"I can read Tancredo's reform bill and he says that the illegals can't be deported.

We don't have to deport them.

They Will Deport Themselves

They Will Deport Themselves

February 16th, 2002 | Sabertooth

Posted on 02/16/2002 11:28:04 AM EST by Sabertooth

They Will Deport Themselves

Every time an illegal alien sets foot in America he or she is a knowing burglar, breaking and entering across our borders, violating our laws. They are also squatters, attempting to colonize our land and our nation. Every moment of their presence in our country is an ongoing criminal act.

It is also illegal for a them to work here, so every cent these alien invaders take is done so illegally… as is ever dollar of unearned subsides they're able to defraud from American taxpayers.

Thus, all of the proceeds of the illegals' inhabitation of the United States are the ill-gotten gains of an ongoing criminal enterprise.

As such, they ought to be treated like the proceeds of any other criminal enterprise, from fraud to theft to drug dealing to racketeering…

The assets of illegal aliens should be subject to total forfeiture.

They are criminals, there is no moral reason why not. Therefore, a solution to much of our nation's problems with these international burglars resolves into focus…

Amnesty for illegal aliens was tried in 1986, with a bipartisan bill that was signed into law by President Reagan. 2.7 million illegals were able to get green cards in a one-time only program. That amnesty would only happen once was an integral part of the bargain the federal government struck with the American people, who have always opposed illegal immigration by large margins. The other part of the bargain was a promise of effective law enforcement against future illegals. The craven betrayal of this promise to the American people is bipartisan. Presidents Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Clinton all ignored the problem of illegals, as did both parties in Congress with the lone exception of the Republicans in 1996. Key to this failure has been the unwillingness of the federal government to deport illegals, as the law provides, in large numbers from the interior of our country.

Without deportation, there will be no solution to illegal immigration.

Now that the cancer of illegals has metastasized to 12 million and growing, many of these same politicians suggest that the solution to their malfeasance of duty is some new form of amnesty… "Nevermind the earlier deal with the American people, the problem is now too big for our laws to solve, we must Surrender."

Their condescending gall is like that of death row lawyers who run out of appeals, and then suggest that execution after 15 years is cruel and unusual punishment. Any unpleasantness resulting from the delay is entirely the onus of our elected officials to bear. The American people never wanted their laws not to be enforced.

Even the current White House of President George W. Bush is sending such signals with their periodic trial balloons about "normalizing undocumented workers" and "making their work legal."

This is as much as saying…

"Because we broke our promise to enforce the law against illegal aliens, we have no choice to break our promise that amnesty would happen only once."

Bunk.

We are told incessantly by these same spineless, duplicitous politicians from both parties how the problem of illegal immigration is intractable… Much as many of those same cowards once described the problem of terrorism. Winning changes things, doesn't it?

It's time to fight and win the battle against the illegal invaders, all 12 million-plus of them. We don't need to round them all up; we simply enact the appropriate and fully Constitutional legislation, and serve the aliens notice:

"Be gone in 90 days. If you aren't, all of the proceeds of your criminal presence in the United States will be subject to total asset forfeiture."

This will be the disincentive to their ongoing invasion.

Some will leave, and some won't. After 90 days, we round up a few hundred thousand of them. That should be enough time to hire the manpower to process the invaders. Then we take all they own within our borders, recycle it into INS coffers, and send them swiftly back to their own countries, whether China, Mexico, Ireland, or wherever, with no profit for their illegal efforts.

The other 12 million illegals will take heed. Step aside, and watch the stampede.

It will only get easier… if only we start.

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to re-post this, Ben.

38 posted on 01/22/2006 4:40:51 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
I haven't noticed a big stampede of Mexicans headed south or asians headed for BC.

When does the exodus start?

39 posted on 01/22/2006 5:00:53 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

When Bush/Rove and the RNC grow spines.


40 posted on 01/22/2006 5:32:44 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity'. It's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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