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Bin Laden Expert: Muslim Tradition to Offer Truce Before Attack
Human Events ^ | Jan. 20, 2006 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 01/21/2006 5:18:21 PM PST by FairOpinion

The former chief of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit says bin Laden’s “truce” offer comes from a long-established Muslim tradition of warfare -- sending a clear signal to the United States that an al Qaeda attack is more than likely.

Twenty-two-year CIA veteran Michael Scheuer, who wrote “Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terror,” says bin Laden has offered his final warning before launching his next strike.

“Warning your enemy before you attack him is very much a tradition in Islam from the prophet to the times when Saladin was fighting the Crusaders, he would warn them, he would offer them a truce, he would try to go the extra mile before attacking him,” Scheuer said on “The O’Reilly Factor” Thursday.

“So I think it's very important that we understand the context in which bin Laden is speaking,” Scheuer continued, “because I've heard other people today already saying that he's offering a truce because it's a sign of weakness, because we're beating him. And I think that's pretty far from the truth.”

Following Al-Jazeera’s disclosure of the tape yesterday, several bin Laden experts -- including journalist Richard Miniter on Human Events Online -- dismissed bin Laden’s latest message as nothing more than a bid to reassert himself as the world’s preeminent terrorist.

I asked two experts on the Middle East and Islam their thoughts about Scheuer’s assertion. They cited historical parallels to Scheuer’s contention.

Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch and author of “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades),” told me: “Traditional Islamic theology actually does support the idea that Osama was asking for a truce because he perceives weakness in his ranks.”

Spencer pointed me to a passage (below) from “Umdat al-Salik (Reliance of the Traveller),” a Shafi'i Sharia manual endorsed by Al-Azhar University in Cairo as conforming to the "practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community." Here’s what it says:

“Truces are permissible, not obligatory. ... Interests that justify making a truce are such things as Muslim weakness because of lack of numbers or materiel, or the hope of an enemy becoming Muslim. ... If the Muslims are weak, a truce may be made for ten years if necessary, for the Prophet (may Allah bless him and give him peace) made a truce with the Quraysh for that long, as is related by Abu Dawud. ... The rulings of such a truce are inferable from those of the non-Muslim poll tax; namely, that when a valid truce has been effected, no harm may be done to non-Muslims until it expires.”

A second scholar, Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, told me: “Bin Ladin has a history of making threats he did not carry out -- for example, versus Israel after the execution of Ahmed Yassin. It is more useful to see his tape as an attempt to stay relevant than in the tradition of Muslim warfare.”


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; bluey; gwot; michaelscheuer; obl; obltape; robertbbluey; robertbluey; robertspencer; scheuer; terrorattack; terrorism; terrorists; truce; wot
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I don't see that there is a contradiction between Bin Laden being weakened and that he is planning more attacks. Those things are not mutually exclusive, in fact it makes sense that he is doing both. Of course everyone in their right mind should know that his offer of truce is just a charade, but I guess he wants to give his liberal supporters more help to defend him.

Can you hear the Dems saying after we kill Bin Laden -- "Evil Bush killed Bin Laden after Bin Laden offered a truce. Evil Bush killed a "reformed" terrorist" Shades of Tookie Williams.

1 posted on 01/21/2006 5:18:25 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

American tradition is to shoot first and ask questions later.


2 posted on 01/21/2006 5:19:04 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature - Jim Beam)
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To: FairOpinion
Arabs are notorious for making boasts they cannot back up. How many times have we heard that Bin Laden has promised more attacks in the US? 5-10-20? Funny how the Junk Journalists are so desperate to serve as Al Qeda's propaganda mouth pieces. What "Truce offer did we get before 9-11? We are at war. We are always under threat.
3 posted on 01/21/2006 5:22:16 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: FairOpinion
I thought it was a Muslim tradition to launch cowardly nail-bomb attacks on women and children using mentally retarded sucide bombers instead of fighting like men...

Did I miss something?

4 posted on 01/21/2006 5:22:21 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: FairOpinion

bttt


5 posted on 01/21/2006 5:22:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: FairOpinion
"The offer of a truce serves only to give the enemy pause, just before you slaughter them..." Battle of Hattin (1187 AD): Saladin
6 posted on 01/21/2006 5:25:09 PM PST by xcamel (Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
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To: FairOpinion

They have been murdering innocents for decades. HOW THE HELL DOES THIS MONSTERS RANTS change a DAMN THING?

It is now OUR CUSTOM to KILL them.


7 posted on 01/21/2006 5:26:12 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: MNJohnnie

"Arabs are notorious for making boasts they cannot back up."

Remember Baghdad Bob?


8 posted on 01/21/2006 5:27:04 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Scheur is just a stupid traitor who fell in love with bin Laden.

The reason Usama bin Laden is offerering a truce is because Bush is hurting him and he needs a breather to regroup.

I hope the President won't give him one and I don't think he will.

9 posted on 01/21/2006 5:28:21 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: FairOpinion

Funny I don't recall that he offered a truce prior to 9-11.


10 posted on 01/21/2006 5:28:52 PM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked ( God Bless our Military)
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To: FairOpinion; All

I didn't see it in the article, so I'll ask.

Did he offer a truce before 9/11?


11 posted on 01/21/2006 5:29:29 PM PST by airborne (If being a Christian was a crime, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
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To: FairOpinion

The proposed truce serves many functions. It allows time to gather forces to prepare for attack. It lulls your opponent into carelessness. And it salves the conscience, such as may exist, of the conqueror, because he gave the subjected people "one last chance" before he killed them.

In any case, the offer of a truce is almost certainly a prelude to attack. I would say some time between 12-18 months from now.


12 posted on 01/21/2006 5:30:47 PM PST by gridlock (It's not really a circus until Teddy Kennedy steps out of the clown car...)
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To: FairOpinion

Isn't it nice to know that militant Islamist terrorists have a sense of propriety and ethical obligation? Makes my heart warm to know that the war is being conducted with such chivalry.


13 posted on 01/21/2006 5:31:02 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: FairOpinion
So he offered a truce before 9/11

Before Bali

Before Spain

Before London

What a crock, just some know nothing trying to add to the terror quotient.

14 posted on 01/21/2006 5:32:12 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: FairOpinion

Coward.


15 posted on 01/21/2006 5:33:50 PM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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To: FairOpinion
“Warning your enemy before you attack him is very much a tradition in Islam from the prophet to the times when Saladin was fighting the Crusaders, he would warn them, he would offer them a truce, he would try to go the extra mile before attacking him,” Scheuer said on “The O’Reilly Factor” Thursday.

I must have missed the warning before 9/11. Scheuer is an idiot. Is there any wonder why the USA was completely unprepared for the WTC attacks with people like Micheal Scheuer and Richard Clarke working in the intelligence agencies.

16 posted on 01/21/2006 5:34:24 PM PST by federal
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To: FairOpinion

The actual Islamic tradition is to offer a truce when you've been beaten and need time to regroup, re-arm, and plan for the next offensive. See "Arafat".


17 posted on 01/21/2006 5:35:30 PM PST by thoughtomator
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To: federal

Scheuer seems to be trying to position the left into being able to say "I told you so" if a nuclear 9-11 happens after we attack Iran or whatever.

Little does he know that the left is over in the USA if even a car bomb goes off in this country.


18 posted on 01/21/2006 5:35:52 PM PST by GermanBusiness
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To: FairOpinion

This is such a charming culture.Full of such fine traditions. 'Specially love the one about it being ok to decieve in the name of Allah. I like our traditions: "Power resides at the end of a gun."


19 posted on 01/21/2006 5:36:00 PM PST by N. Beaujon (http://www.nbeaujon.com)
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To: airborne

"Did he offer a truce before 9/11?"

He doesnt speak for all of islamo facism either.

He doesnt have that kind of power.


20 posted on 01/21/2006 5:36:01 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: FairOpinion

It's also standard to offer a truce when someone is kicking your ass.


21 posted on 01/21/2006 5:36:59 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What we were discussing.


22 posted on 01/21/2006 5:37:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: thoughtomator

[The actual Islamic tradition is to offer a truce when you've been beaten and need time to regroup, re-arm, and plan for the next offensive. See "Arafat".]

Correct. Now is the time to liberate Iran after which the Saudis will have to do our bidding or we will just give the Saudi oil fields to the Shiites as well as Iraq and Iran.


23 posted on 01/21/2006 5:37:19 PM PST by GermanBusiness
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Scheuer

Well, Mr. Scheuer, since you were still working for the goverment then, before you wrote you book and took the money, how is it that YOU missed the "signal" before 9-11 -- and what the HELL was the offer?

24 posted on 01/21/2006 5:39:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: GermanBusiness
Now is the time to liberate Iran after which the Saudis will have to do our bidding or we will just give the Saudi oil fields to the Shiites as well as Iraq and Iran.

I think this is the time...but the Saudi's (Wahabbist's) and the Twelvers (Mahdi Shiites) are basically the same.

If the Administration doesn't understand the religious aspect of this war...they cannot understand the MO of the enemy.

25 posted on 01/21/2006 5:41:54 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: FairOpinion
Hello Mecca ... kaaablaaam!
You F*** with us once to often and your rag head butts will be waiting in line for some very scarce virgins.
26 posted on 01/21/2006 5:44:24 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: FairOpinion

Osama's Misplaced Rant

27 posted on 01/21/2006 5:49:07 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: FairOpinion

Jimmah Cahtah would have called it a diplomatic breakthrough.


28 posted on 01/21/2006 5:49:12 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Velveeta; Revel; WestCoastGal; MamaDearest; callmejoe; Oorang; Cindy

Ping


29 posted on 01/21/2006 5:50:21 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Thanks for the ping RR.


30 posted on 01/21/2006 5:53:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: FairOpinion

"If you give up now, I'll stop beating your fist to a pulp with my face."


31 posted on 01/21/2006 5:54:20 PM PST by IronJack
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To: All
Various Links ON THE NET...

BBC.co.uk: "TEXT: 'BIN LADEN TAPE'" (Note: Full text of the message) (Last Updated January 19, 2006)

"www.jaami.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2301"

"www.mohajroon.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4641" (January 19, 2006)

TrackingAlQueda.blogspot.com: "NEW OBL AUDIO RELEASED ON AL-JAZEERA TODAY" (January 19, 2006)

alghorabaa.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2035"

"www.infovlad.net/?p=364"

"crusader.rulez.jp/files/OBL_01202006.rm"

English.ALJAZEERA.net: "BIN LADEN OFFERS AMERICANS TRUCE" (January 19, 2006)



JIHAD WATCH.org (ANCHORAGE DAILY NEWS): "WEB POST URGES JIHADISTS TO ATTACK ALASKA PIPELINE" (January 19, 2006)

JAMESTOWN.org - Terrorism Focus: "INTERNET MUJAHIDEEN INTENSIFY RESEARCH ON U.S. ECONOMIC TARGETS" by Stephen Ulph (January 18, 2006)

INTERNET-HAGANAH: "AL QAIDA'S STRATEGIC TARGETS DISCUSSION [Updated]" (January 4, 2006)

32 posted on 01/21/2006 5:54:54 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Thanks, Cindy

This is something we have been discussing on the TM.

Most all of the so called experts have really been down playing this.

I fear it is a big mistake.


33 posted on 01/21/2006 5:56:01 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: FairOpinion

The nut-case is tossing red meat to the MSM and the lib-weenie bloc, hoping for backlash against GWB.

Bin Laden is tired, scared, and grasping for straws. I bet he hears the footsteps getting closer. We are going to smoke his a$$ soon.


34 posted on 01/21/2006 5:57:12 PM PST by Hypervigilant (Iran, you are next.)
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To: FairOpinion

Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.


35 posted on 01/21/2006 6:00:31 PM PST by Bogie
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To: FairOpinion

Bin laden did not offer a truce, he said he would accept a truce offered by the USA, which we are not offering.


36 posted on 01/21/2006 6:08:12 PM PST by Imperialist
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To: FairOpinion
In times like these when such delima's exist I always ask myself "What would Emperor Palpatine do with a character like Bin Laden"
37 posted on 01/21/2006 6:09:12 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: FairOpinion
Sometimes I think these Intel types need to take off their secret decoder rings and start using a little common sense instead of trying to read too much into everything. I don't remember any Bin Laden coded warnings to 9/11.

If the Terrorists could do something they would have by now, such as Bin Laden's threat to the red states during the elections, we're doing a good job to stop them, and it bears out President Bush's tactic of taking the fight to them. Bottom line, Bin Laden would hit us any chance he got and he won't be warning us.
38 posted on 01/21/2006 6:10:42 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: FairOpinion

That an offer of truce is a harbinger of a coming attack---it's counter-intuitive, and that's not to say it's invalid, but in this case I think it's wrong. More likely bin Laden is in contact with some other party that has assured him they are preparing an imminent attack on America, and a spectacular one at that; and he believes them, because he wants to believe them. Bin Laden is a fanatic, and fanatics are the easiest people to fool.
I think he was a one-trick pony, and is regarded as such even in his own shrinking circle. He and al Qaeda can never follow their own act of 9/11. Otherwise we'd hear from him every week, and he'd be taking credit for spectacular terrorist triumphs every month.
Think about it. One scratchy audio tape after a year of oblivion. Is that the signature of a world-beater?
They do survive; like roaches you can exterminate 90%, they survive and they do intend harm and they do continue to stir up fools and patsies in the Arab world. But they are in retreat. Clearly in retreat.

It's been over four years since they sucker-punched us. The Bush Doctrine is working, working very well. Bin Laden is begging for mercy the way devils always beg, by making it sound like an offer of clemency.


39 posted on 01/21/2006 6:11:42 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: FairOpinion

I don't think that AQ has what it takes (right now) to do a major, 911 style attack on the USA.

That's not to say it can't cause trouble, and lots of it, provided they have enough agents willing to sacrifice their lives on the ground.

Provided you have the agents in place, just how difficult is it to rig 10 or 12 suicide bombers all around the USA to detonate during lunch hour or evening rush hour in a half dozen major cities?

Follow it the next day with 10 or 12 suicide bombers in another half dozen cities.

The day after that, repeat.

That's only about 30-36 agents - granted they can only do that trick once. Say they go to that well every day for a week. Then start doing every other day. Then every three days. Mix it up.

That would really freak out most people in the USA, and given conventional methods we really couldn't stop it, could we?

Does AQ have enough good, loyal soldiers to keep something like that up?


40 posted on 01/21/2006 6:16:47 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: N. Beaujon
I like our traditions: "Power resides at the end of a gun."

That's actually a Chinese tradition/observation.

41 posted on 01/21/2006 6:19:20 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Governments want to copy all the data on you in existence, but will prosecute you for an mp3 copied.)
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To: FairOpinion

It's a no-brainer Osama. We DO NOT negotiate with terrorists. We kill them.


42 posted on 01/21/2006 6:20:12 PM PST by PGalt (Enablers are truce lovers)
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To: FairOpinion

Bookmark.


43 posted on 01/21/2006 6:21:14 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Rushmore Rocks

You're welcome RR.

OPINION: I am not any more or any less concerned with the terrorist threats. AQ is weakened, but jihadis, like gang bangers, like any terrorist by any name; will take the opportunity to do their evil deeds if they are prepared and if the opportunity presents itself.

Prayer is powerful and that's where my comfort comes from.


44 posted on 01/21/2006 6:25:21 PM PST by Cindy
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To: FairOpinion

He has never offered a truce before. He is just rattled from his number 2 guy getting taken out and how the CIA was able to learn of the meeting on the afghan border. He is scared now and talking like a scared man.


45 posted on 01/21/2006 6:27:21 PM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: FairOpinion
I think all his talk of a truce is a smokescreen. I believe the purpose of his tape, like many others is a signal to his cells within the US to attack targets here to prove they can and to destabilize the country.

Of course, if they do attack us the libs will say it is the president's fault since OBL offered a truce.
46 posted on 01/21/2006 6:30:13 PM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
I simply hope the American people call for the "appropriate" response, if these islimes(est)
jihads, choose to perpetrate their evil. In fact in the back channels of diplomatic speech, I hope all are being forewarned. I might even venture to guess, and it is a guess, this very policy is being spread like stick-glue.
47 posted on 01/21/2006 6:35:13 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: FairOpinion

bump


48 posted on 01/21/2006 6:40:50 PM PST by VOA
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To: FairOpinion
CIA veteran Michael Scheuer

Scheur is a rat hack moron.

He hasn't gotten the memo that the CIA had better watch its back because the kind of partisan crap that he and his fellow weasels were engaged in won't be tolerated.

49 posted on 01/21/2006 6:42:58 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: FairOpinion

I would submit that it is an exercise in futility to attempt to apply rules of logic to bin Laden.

It would however be useful to aply MOABs to him!


50 posted on 01/21/2006 6:45:13 PM PST by Redbob
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