Bush and Clinton look ahead in anger to 2008

The New York Times ^ | January 22, 2006 | Raymond Hernandez

[andie74]

WASHINGTON In the past week, the Bush and Clinton camps have traded nasty words and asides in a series of exchanges with faint echoes of the 1992 presidential campaign.

On the surface, the most recent skirmishing seemed to start with assertions by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, that Republicans were running Congress "like a plantation," and that the Bush administration would "go down in history as one of the worst." But strategists in both parties said the hostilities were more likely the opening shots of the 2008 presidential campaign season.

...

The battle has been building for weeks. In late December, people close to the senator were struck when the president himself took a shot at Clinton and her New York colleague, Senator Charles Schumer, for blocking the renewal of the Patriot Act. He said the two owed an explanation to voters in New York, a prime target of terrorists.

[andie74]

But what about the 'new tone'? (Kidding...)

Hillary sure knows how to keep her new friends!!!

Read this little article...sounds like the only nasty, enemy making anger is coming from the Beast!

[jveritas]

He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken.

[andie74]

Oh, I agree...but the spin is on...and the race has begun.

Nothing that I can think of that might be worse that the Clintons back in the White House...unless Michael Moore were elected commander-in-chief...

(shudder)

[Flavius Josephus]

That's one lil ol problem these rats have... they're going to need to get used to the idea that they're not running against Bush again. That's going to be hard for them to do.

[mystery-ak]

He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken.




I said almost the same thing about her husband in 92...

[andie74]

That IS problematic, ain't it? Well, they've got to start swinging now, though Bush is just a practice target.

[jveritas]

Hillary Clinton is not Bill Clinton, he is vastly more charismatic and much less mean than her. Just listen to her giving a speech and you know that she cannot win a Presidential election.

[mystery-ak]

Yes, I know what you mean...I can barely stand to listen to her.....I never thought she'd win NY either.....but this move of her's to the right may fool a lot of people....

[dodger]

Hillary offers a race-baiting diatribe -- in a Church on MLK Day, no less -- and the NY Times paints both she and the Bush's with the same 'angry' brush. What screedy tripe-mongers now comprise the staff and administration of the Old Gray Lady.

[an amused spectator]

He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken.

The Donks need a Ross Perot, 2008 vintage.

Wonder who's the designated fall guy? Who is going to be credible enough to pull the "balanced budget" train this time? They've got to keep their duplicity secret through the whole campaign, too - in the face of the Internet...

[an amused spectator]

Just listen to her giving a speech and you know that she cannot win a Presidential election.

Jeez, after Mapes & Rather, you'd think they might have figured out that the extreme media air-brushing technique won't work for the Cankle. It'll only fool 38 percent - and they're idiots who want to be fooled anyway.

I'm DYING to see their gambit. It'll be amusing, to say the least.

[Atchafalaya]

Yeah, I'm not writing her off for sure!!!

[Atchafalaya]

Yeah, I'm not writing her off for sure!!!

[hinckley buzzard]

Bush and Clinton look ahead in anger to 2008

I don't doubt it about Clinton but I suspect Bush looks ahead toward 2008 with a sense of relief. Nobody in recent history has had to put up with anything remotely like the lies, bigotry, and character assassination he has endured.

[zarf]

Very few men would date a woman with fat ankles let alone vote one in as President.

NO CANKLES IN '08!

[andie74]

Now that was funny, I don't care WHO you are!

[Go Gordon]

George 'W' Bush isn't running for President in 2008. The democrats must have been deathly afraid of Jeb running in 2008 and decided to trash 'W' so when Jeb ran they could simply say "he's just like his brother". They have spent so much of their capital trashing Bush, if the nominee is someone with no Bush ties, the RATs are toast.

[andie74]

My theory: just batting practice for the Dems. Their base hates Bush, so they need to keep them energized. Meanwhile, they are alienating most of the states where they need to gain ground.

[Sonny M]

They have spent so much of their capital trashing Bush, if the nominee is someone with no Bush ties, the RATs are toast.

Then they are toast.

With only one exception, no one from either this term or last term is even anywhere near running for president.

The senators by default, can't even be really connected other then the same political party.

The one exception is such an outside long shot, it wouldn't matter anyway, and he was basically forced out (Tommy Thompson).

Ironically, since they spent so much capital bashing Bush, any republican who has ever critized Bush automatically looks independent.

It includes all the moderates, and even Allen has critized Bush on a couple of things...ironically, immigration and spending, but not in anyway notable.

[river rat]

"He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken."

It's dangerous to underestimate the stupidty of the average American voter....

Our leftist controlled Government Skools have succeeded in dropping intelligence to the lowest common denominator...

Look how close Gore and Kerry came --- and they didn't have much claim on the "feminist" sluts....
Being the first ever woman at the top of a major party ticket - would bring woman to the polls that haven't voted in decades....even the dead ones.

Hillary CAN win -- especially if the GOP runs a loser like McCain...

Semper Fi

[Mr170IQ]

Right-o! But if Condy runs against Hillary, who knows?
For Hillary, without ever having been elected to dogcatcher, to have actually won the U.S.Senate seat in a state where she had never lived or even spent a summer vacation, indicates that the Clinton name is mighty powerful one and that she is virtually unstoppable in a national race.
Condoleeza Rice is less politicly strong, but the race factor might win her the presidency in a battle against Hillary Clinton. The Republicans would do well to consider Rice as their presidential nominee.

[Mr170IQ]

Condoleeza Rice is a strong possibility as an opponent to Hillary and doesn't have the ugly connection to a president who was within one vote of losing the impeachment proceedings

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

'08 is still a while off. But it has to be said that we have no Ronald Reagan in the wings at this point - at least no one not named Bush (Jeb). Jeb has denied presidential ambitions in '08 - and by '12 he'll be overage in grade (as in, 14 years after he was elected governor).

Meanwhile the people who get mentioned for the nomination are either lacking executive reputation, RINOs who can neither hold all the red states nor take any of the blue, or both. Worse, McCain might go third party just for the ego trip (even tho he can't self-finance as Perot did).

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Twelve presidents have been generals, most of the rest have been governors. It's true that in the founding era Secretary of State was a strong credential for a presidential candidate, but I doubt any president since the Civil War has had that credential in his resume.

No general today has the stature of an Eisenhower, and the only governors who are getting mention are Jeb Bush and Senator (and former governor) Allen of Virginia. I think we could do worse than to have a brokered convention.

[Caipirabob]

He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken.

Come on now. Al Gore was able to defraud the nation into believing he had a majority vote. John "Frenchy" Kerry came within single digits of winning in 2004.

Disregard the Ice Queen at your own peril, but I'm more than a little concerned.

[jveritas]

If you think that the majority of women will vote for Hillary Clinton than you are greatly mistaken. If Hillary Clinton becomes the democrat nominee in 2008, you will be choked how appalling she will be for the majority of women. I know ultra liberal women in Massachusetts who cannot stand her. The majority of women do not trust another woman to be Commander in Chief and protect their families and the security of the nation. Many of you on this forum despise the American voters and accuse them of stupidity but it is the American voters who gave us seven Republican President in the last ten Presidential elections.

[jveritas]

We are in early 2006 and many people on the left as well as few knee jerk conservatives have already made Hillary Clinton President in 2008 and they are saying she is invincible.

The knee jerk conservatives assume that the American people are stupid and they will vote for Hillary. If they are that stupid they would have voted for John Kerry. They tell us that the stupidity of the American people made Bill Clinton twice President of the United States. Well Bill Clinton is much more charismatic person than Hillary (have you heard Hillary screeching voice when she deliver a passionate speech, it is great material for late night comedy show). Bill Clinton does not have the elite mentality that Hillary has and he can easily connect with people including some in the Red States, plus the political circumstances favored him both 1992 and 1996. In 1992 GHW Bush was running an extremely weak campaign, and we had the Perot factor. In 1996 we had good economic times and the people were happy with a Democrat President countered by a Republican congress.

Hillary Clinton is an extreme liberal and no matter what she does she cannot hide her true liberalism. We should remember all the flip flops of John Kerry and how he tried to move to the right and hide his liberal record, but despite all this the majority of American people did not believe him and he was crushed together with his miserable party in the 2004 elections. The same thing will happen to Hillary Clinton no matter what she does, the majority of voters will see her as who she really is, a flaming liberal. The majority of voters will realize that Hillary Clinton is a fake person, fake character, fake smile, fake attitude, etc… If we think that one of Kerry major problems were his flip flops; then Hillary Clinton attempt on faking who she really is; will make Kerry flip flops look like a tiny problem.

The majority of the American voters are not ready yet for a woman President and they will not trust yet a woman to protect their lives, for sure not a liberal woman like Hillary Clinton. Women in particular will have a problem with Hillary Clinton because they do not feel secure with a woman President in charge of protecting them and the life of their families. Moreover she will not only have problems with majority of married women but also with a substantial number of the young and single liberal women. Many liberal women consider her a political “B****” because she stayed with Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal and she defended him. I am not saying that majority of the liberal women will be against her but it will be minority large enough to kill any chance she has to win the women vote, and hence not chance to win the Presidency. Of course the men vote will be 70% to 30% against her.

Moreover the majority of American will realize that she is a nasty and a mean person. When she is cornered Hillary Clinton will show her ugly and disgusting nastiness and meanness that will turn off the majority of voters, in particular women voters, and man will call her a “B****”. Few want to elect a “B****” for President.

If we thought that Kerry has a non-charismatic dry and dull personality, Hillary Clinton will make him look like Cicero or Demostinus. Have you heard her when she gives a “Passionate” speech? You will be laughing for at least two hours after you hear her screeching voice and how she runs out of breath. She is simply a “clown” when it comes to political speeches, and Jay Leno will be have an ocean of comedy materials about her “Campaign stops, events, and speeches”.

The knee jerk conservatives make the dumb argument that the media will protect her and we will not see anything about her problems? Really?! As if they did not try so hard to protect Kerry. One of the most important lessons we have learned in 2004 that the media cannot make anyone wins an election no matter what. After the 2004 election it is not called anymore the MSM, main stream media, it is called DLM, defeated liberal media.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

He who believes that Hillary Clinton has any chance of becoming President has the political IQ of a chicken.

Don't tell them that until AFTER they nominate her!!!

Hillary has astronomical negatives. There is a solid 40% of the electorate who hate her guts. To win, she would have to get 80% of the remainder, which could never happen.

If the Dems thought they were blind-sided when the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth arose from nowhere to derail John Fraud Kerry, just wait until they get a load of the grass-roots opposition that materializes against a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

It will be the end of the Democrats, once and for all.

[jveritas]

Agreed 100%.

[river rat]

"If you think that the majority of women will vote for Hillary Clinton than you are greatly mistaken."

I didn't say that.... I said women who don't usually vote - would come to the polls to vote for a woman at the top of the ticket.... It may not represent a "majority" - but it would be more than I care to think about --- because it would in fact confirm my opinion oo the stupidity of too many voters.....

..."accuse them of stupidity but it is the American voters who gave us seven Republican President...."

Were you not appalled by the closeness of the most recent races?
Didn't that tell you that >45% of American voters lacked the ability to make a reasoned, unselfish, intelligent choice for President?

If anything -- the state of ineptness, corruption and just pure ignorance of many political creatures today - confirms that our founders were correct it being careful and prudent in granting the right to vote.....
They set out to create a Republic, not an ignorant mob ruled democracy.

Semper Fi

[Sic Luceat Lux]

He said the two owed an explanation to voters...

I'd like to see Bush start making direct hints about all those Communist Chinese agents in the Clinton White House/and have Senator Inhofe at his side while doing so. Just referring a few times to John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung and James Riady would jet the rats into a nervous huddle:

Congressional Record/Senate
106th Congress
June 23, 1999
pgs S7483-S7486
"The Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup"
Inhofe

- - -
"ChinaGate: Where it all began: The Executive orders that allowed Clinton and Gore to commit Treason and Sell out our Country"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a376698f33527.htm

"Clinton Buddy John Haung, Chinagate Convict, Caught with Anti-Missile Documents"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388e568a41a8.htm

"Riady Invites Clinton to Join Lippo Board of Directors (Heavy Chinagate)"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39dccf7e39bd.htm

- - -
"Chinagate For Dummies: The Bush/Clinton Connection"
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3885860e30d0.htm

[lawnguy]

But strategists in both parties said the hostilities were more likely the opening shots of the 2008 presidential campaign season.

Wow, these guys a sharp as a tack. Where do we go to apply for that gig? :-)

[Sic Luceat Lux]

bttt

[Mia T]

bump!

LEHRER: President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

PRESIDENT BUSH: Three weeks from now--two weeks from tomorrow, America goes to the polls and you're going to have to decide who you want to lead this country ...

On foreign affairs, some think it's irrelevant. I believe it's not. We're living in an interconnected world...And if a crisis comes up, ask who has the judgment and the experience and, yes, the character to make the right decision?

And, lastly, the other night on character Governor Clinton said it's not the character of the president but the character of the presidency. I couldn't disagree more. Horace Greeley said the only thing that endures is character. And I think it was Justice Black who talked about great nations, like great men, must keep their word.

And so the question is, who will safeguard this nation, who will safeguard our people and our children? I need your support, I ask for your support. And may God bless the United States of America.

(Applause)

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[Mia T]

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[jveritas]

Thank you Mia :)

[Mia T]

You're welcome, jveritas :)