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Portsmouth Shipyard to Have Three Carriers at Once
AP ^ | 22 Jan 2006

Posted on 01/22/2006 7:45:33 PM PST by DYngbld

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To: xrp

What was your response to the S.S. Cole?


51 posted on 01/22/2006 10:23:34 PM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: DYngbld

Portsmouth? Norfolk? Which is it?


52 posted on 01/23/2006 3:56:04 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: DYngbld
Iran does have a fleet of super "mini-subs." I think they top out at 3 knots, and with a direct hit can sink a canoe.
53 posted on 01/23/2006 4:03:12 AM PST by Shqipo (2006 is Bush Country!)
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To: DYngbld

LOL. AP headline says "Portsmouth" but the article says "Norfolk."


54 posted on 01/23/2006 4:06:36 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: RoadTest
Portsmouth? Norfolk? Which is it?

Norfolk. AFAIK, Portsmouth doesn't "do" carriers at all.

55 posted on 01/23/2006 4:07:35 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; RoadTest

Norfolk Naval Shipyard is indeed in Portsmouth, and they do service carriers. It's an impressive sight, watching them squeak their way up the Elizabeth River past downtown Norfolk.

My earlier pic was shot from the middle of the Elizabeth River, from a little powerboat that had no special privileges. Without going into detail, suffice to say that within a certain range the boat would have been reduced to confetti in a matter of seconds.


56 posted on 01/23/2006 4:15:04 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: SlowBoat407
Norfolk Naval Shipyard is indeed in Portsmouth

Ahh -- my mind went straight to "Portmousth Naval Shipyard," in Portsmouth, NH. Thanks for the geography lesson.

57 posted on 01/23/2006 4:20:39 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: endthematrix

Wow I have not seen five carriers (with battle groups)in port. I can't imagine the traffic around here. It is bad on a good day.


58 posted on 01/23/2006 4:23:23 AM PST by DYngbld
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To: DYngbld
I visited Norfolk in the mid 60s.
Docked side by side was the Independence and the Intrepid.
I had a nice tour of the Independence, the larger of the two carriers.
59 posted on 01/23/2006 4:24:03 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: Cboldt

My pleasure. I used to have NOB as the view out my front door when I lived on Willoughby Spit. The house I was living in was built in 1936, and I could just imagine some German spy living in the area and counting the ships that came and went.

Lest we feel complacent, in the Spring of 2001, a sailing buddy of mine spotted two men who definitely looked out of place walking the docks of our marina, which was within 2 miles of the carrier piers, line-of-sight. On September 12, when he saw Mohammed Atta's (Pox be upon him) picture, he recognized him as one of the men.

Eternal vigilance...


60 posted on 01/23/2006 4:27:56 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Shadowstrike
I agree I only posted this after seeing it on the local news. It is an AP story. I know why we have all the eggs in one basket so to speak, but I still don't like it.

I am not concerned about an attack on one of the bases around here, I am more concerned about the infrastructure. I really wouldn't take much to snarl traffic to the point nobody could get to work.
61 posted on 01/23/2006 4:29:40 AM PST by DYngbld
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To: DYngbld
Wow I have not seen five carriers (with battle groups)in port. I can't imagine the traffic around here. It is bad on a good day.

The strip clubs, used car lots and rent-to-own stores were in hog heaven.

62 posted on 01/23/2006 4:30:58 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: DYngbld
I[t] really wouldn't take much to snarl traffic to the point nobody could get to work.

It's called "Summer".

63 posted on 01/23/2006 4:32:16 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: RoadTest
Norfolk, Portsmouth, Newport News, and Little Creek, are only about 20miles of shore line from each other.

Not to mention 3 air strips, Oceania, Norfolk, and Langley are less then 30 miles apart.
64 posted on 01/23/2006 4:35:56 AM PST by DYngbld
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To: DYngbld

I honestly get nervous when I'm visiting somewhere and can't see some kind of military aircraft in the sky at all times, because I've gotten used to it living here (Norfolk). When the carriers come in, there's usually a pair of helos scanning every small boat within a mile, and you'd better believe they're ready to act if anything looks suspicious.


65 posted on 01/23/2006 4:44:51 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I live next to Langley's flight path. So I know what you mean. We are so used to hearing the planes that when they don't fly you notice.


66 posted on 01/23/2006 5:01:12 AM PST by DYngbld (I love jet noise)
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To: PAR35

The CV will be here for three years, Also the shipyard is building the George H W Bush. It looks funny without a super structure.


67 posted on 01/23/2006 5:11:45 AM PST by DYngbld (Sailors belong on Ships, Ships belong at sea.)
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To: dgallo51

You mean the USS Cole? What's that got to do with my post?


68 posted on 01/23/2006 5:18:47 AM PST by xrp
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To: COEXERJ145
Looks like two Marine assault ships/carriers there as well.

Which are them selves more carrier than most other countries in the world have.
69 posted on 01/23/2006 7:53:14 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: endthematrix
July 4th, 1997

Bill Clinton, President.

Yes, I was in New York that weekend, and drove down the West Side Highway past all those navy ships. Bill Clinton was showing off his patriotism and his love of the military for the media. What did he care if it was risking most of our navy?

70 posted on 01/23/2006 8:09:21 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: zarf
Some raghead in an ultra light gonna kamakazi onto the carrier deck?

Or a Chinese ICBM. Or a mystery explosion from nobody knows whom. I agree that maybe it's only one chance in a million that anything will happen. But you don't take even that kind of a chance with what amounts to half your navy.

71 posted on 01/23/2006 8:13:16 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Thanks!


72 posted on 01/23/2006 10:53:43 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: xrp

Whatever…who would have thought a little rubber dingy could have hit the Cole? That's all.


73 posted on 01/23/2006 11:30:03 AM PST by dgallo51 (DEMAND IMMEDIATE, OPEN INVESTIGATIONS OF U.S. COMPLICITY IN RWANDAN GENOCIDE!)
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To: dgallo51
You still haven't told me what your original comment had to do with my post.

Are you capable of doing this or should I just not count on your being able to do this?

74 posted on 01/23/2006 12:02:27 PM PST by xrp
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To: SlowBoat407
In 79 & 80 I lived on the other end of Oceanview up close to the curve. Actually I lived across from what was a Best Western Motel around 17th View? I went back a couple of years ago and that end of Oceanview was gone but the apartment building I lived in was oddly enough still there. It looked like every apartment complex including the ones up on the point at the curve were bull dozed down. It looked like a ghost town from what it once was. I even remember the old amusement park across from what was the Oceanview Greyhound bus depot and Western Union Office :>}
75 posted on 01/23/2006 1:16:41 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Cicero
Yes, I was in New York that weekend, and drove down the West Side Highway past all those navy ships. Bill Clinton was showing off his patriotism and his love of the military for the media. What did he care if it was risking most of our navy?

Or Poppy Bush who in 1992 I think I read last night did the same stupid thing. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/norfolk.htm The risk was nearly half of our entire carrier fleet world wide. It's a foolish deed no matter who does it. Under Cold War posture only 3 carriers would fit into NOB Norfolk's piers no matter what. The 5 in port in 1992 were not all nuke powered but still it was dumb.

76 posted on 01/23/2006 1:24:46 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

You wouldn't recognize Ocean View now. East Ocean View is now "East Beach" and full of McMansions. Alot of the apartments and motels are gone and have been replaced with more upscale housing.

Amusement park is long gone, and Harrison's Pier blew down in Hurricane Isabelle. It's since been replaced by a much sturdier pier with a restaurant.


77 posted on 01/23/2006 1:27:54 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: xrp
Islamic Murderers normally don't target the military, they attack civilians. They can't beat the military. They can beat public opinion.

9-11 - The Pentagon, USS Cole, Middle East Barracks, The troops in Afghanistan and Iraq... hmmmmmm.

78 posted on 01/23/2006 1:29:02 PM PST by PureSolace (God save us all)
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To: SlowBoat407
You wouldn't recognize Ocean View now. East Ocean View is now "East Beach" and full of McMansions. Alot of the apartments and motels are gone and have been replaced with more upscale housing. Amusement park is long gone, and Harrison's Pier blew down in Hurricane Isabelle. It's since been replaced by a much sturdier pier with a restaurant.

Yea the amusement park was tore down while I was on my first MED in 77 I think. When I went back in 2002 I think it was I got off the first exit on your end and drove down to Virginia Beach that way. From the picture I took the apartments I lived in 1979-80 are now called Sunrise on the Bay. They were nice apartments then going for $220 a month me and a Bosun friend split the rent :>}

I managed a drive from NOB main gate all the way around the block so to speak. Up Princess Anne the to the left {can't remember the name of that road}, over to Military Hi-way, and then back down Little Creek BLVD to Oceanview. Not bad navigating for not being there for over 20 years and going by memory.

But the look on my wifes face going into and out of the Hampton Tunnel was priceless LOL. Especially when I told her what we were actually doing.

79 posted on 01/23/2006 1:41:24 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

I think the road you're trying to remember is Virginia Beach Blvd. - or Laskin Road.

People still freak out going through the tunnel, but now they cause much more of a backup when they do.


80 posted on 01/23/2006 1:51:09 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: NCC-1701
I'd love to see those three flattops together. The sight of all that American steel in one place would be an awesome sight.

There's a great picture from right after Desert Storm of four carriers (Midway, Saratoga, Kennedy and Roosevelt) steaming through the Persian Gulf "escorted" by the Missouri and Wisconsin.
81 posted on 01/23/2006 1:51:27 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: PAR35
If my count is correct, that would mean that the Eisenhower and the Kennedy would be the only two ships available for the Atlantic and Med.

Don't forget Enterprise.
82 posted on 01/23/2006 1:52:57 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: SlowBoat407
Norfolk Naval Shipyard is indeed in Portsmouth, and they do service carriers. It's an impressive sight, watching them squeak their way up the Elizabeth River past downtown Norfolk.

That would be my worry ... cause some kind of obstruction in the river and suddenly three carriers are bottled up until it can be removed.
83 posted on 01/23/2006 1:54:32 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

No matter how good you think your security is, the bar girls in Olongapo, Yokosuka and Naples know about ships' movements LONG before the skippers do.


84 posted on 01/23/2006 2:12:12 PM PST by Ax (Guards! Seize that man!)
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To: SlowBoat407
I think the road you're trying to remember is Virginia Beach Blvd. - or Laskin Road.

I looked it up on a map. I used to walk this route believe it or not to go to the mall and then back through Oceanview to what was Denny's for Pizza. Go out Hampton Blvd from NOB turn up what looks like 165 toward Wards Corner. The road angled off to the left it wasn't a hard right turn and a scuba supply company was on the road. Cross Chesapeake BLVD To Little Creek and down to Oceanview BLVD. Some how I can't remember once we walked that way to the mall also.

It was weird seeing Hampton BLVD again though I got there right after the strip joints & bars were taken out in the mid-late 70's and nothing was up that road till you got to the theater on the left. Now it's fast food row LOL and to think what I used to do for a blame pizza. Back then if you wanted fast food it was either a bus ride to Military Hi-way or somewhere or the grill down at the piers at the rec center I think. I'm not even certain Denny's was the name of the pizza place next to the old amusement park it may have been Dennis. It was the only fast food actually in Oceanview at the time I remember that much.

To get to Va Beach I just drove straight through Ocean View, & on down the road. I used to drive down there on off duty weekends to the park and cook from my old Coleman stove in my pick up. Anything for a change. If I wasn't going home I'd also head out of Portsmouth down 17 toard Nags Head a lot of times just to get out of town. I walked only because I had nothing to drive. When I came home off my first cruise I had wheels.

85 posted on 01/23/2006 3:02:33 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: xrp; dgallo51; PureSolace

xrp owned.


86 posted on 01/23/2006 3:05:51 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: cva66snipe

I vaguelly recall that there were five visible from the interstate a few years ago. But maybe it was four. They were quickly moved, however.


87 posted on 01/23/2006 3:08:39 PM PST by petitfour
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To: PureSolace
Islamic Murderers normally don't target the military, they attack civilians.
88 posted on 01/23/2006 6:06:42 PM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
Islamic Murderers normally don't target the military, they attack civilians.

Actually they do indeed and often actually. We have some dead Marines, Soldiers, Airman, and Sailors who died as the direct result of terrorist attacks. The Pentagon is not a civilian target nor was Beirut, nor the Cole, nor Lockerbee, and a host of others. They attack targets of opportunity. BTW plenty of civilians work on that base likely about 50% of the base working population. There's a lot more there than just ships.

89 posted on 01/23/2006 6:19:44 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe
Beirut, nor the Cole, nor Lockerbee

I was with you until you got to Lockerbie. There is no way to classify either the plane or the town as a military target.

90 posted on 01/23/2006 6:47:04 PM PST by PAR35
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To: tanknetter

Yes. Thanks. I figured out how I miscounted. The Vinson is a Pacific ship, but I was counting it against the Atlantic number, and so I missed one.

So there will be two Atlantic carriers in service instead of one, assuming the Kennedy is discarded.


91 posted on 01/23/2006 7:02:09 PM PST by PAR35
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To: cva66snipe

You're thinking of Taussig Blvd, I think.


92 posted on 01/23/2006 7:02:15 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: AZRepublican

My first thought, also.


93 posted on 01/23/2006 7:03:10 PM PST by doug from upland (NEW YORK TIMES -- traitorous b*st*rds)
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To: PAR35

You're right. I was thinking of Gander which never was resolved. But it had left the M.E. and was at least suspected of being such. My mistake. BTW here is an interesting link on attacks http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/fs/5902.htm


94 posted on 01/23/2006 7:04:47 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: Cboldt
As I recall a carrier would get stuck and plug the whole port of Portsmouth. Is that correct? Been a long time.

I remember the Captain of the Big E ran her a ground in SF Bay about 18 or 20 years ago. I believe he is still counting penguins in Antarctica.

95 posted on 01/23/2006 7:11:18 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: PAR35
So there will be two Atlantic carriers in service instead of one, assuming the Kennedy is discarded.

I'm not swearing to this but IIRC KENNEDY is and has been ever since I can remember out of Mayport Florida and still in service. She did do some reserve training status time in the 1990's but I think she still remained in Mayport even then. Back in 1980 the Navy decided to swap AMERICA and KENNEDY home ports. The crew was told to start considering making re-location plans for family etc.

The last word I heard before I got out in Oct 80 was AMERICA was going to Mayport as home port. That order after I got out was quickly rescinded likely for political reasons.

96 posted on 01/23/2006 7:28:04 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

My comment was directed to the fact that the navy canceled the Kennedy's scheduled COH and announced plans to prematurely decommission the ship in 2006. There has been a push to move one of the Virginia based ships down to Florida to take the Kennedy's place, but I haven't kept up with recent developments.


97 posted on 01/23/2006 8:02:52 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
My comment was directed to the fact that the navy canceled the Kennedy's scheduled COH and announced plans to prematurely decommission the ship in 2006. There has been a push to move one of the Virginia based ships down to Florida to take the Kennedy's place, but I haven't kept up with recent developments.

First I'd heard about a moved up 06 decom date. Thanks. Looks like Bean Town clan is pushing for another shrine. Well she's the last of the conventional steamers. Kinda watch and see if the Mayport pier actually gets another home port carrier or not. The way things are being done they may start using it as a rotating part time carrier port of call instead. Just a hunch.

98 posted on 01/23/2006 8:52:16 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

They were going to use the Kennedy to replace the Kitty Hawk in Japan, but the Japanese have agreed to take a nuclear powered ship with certain restrictions that the navy can apparently live with, meaning that the Kennedy is no longer necessary. And it is a ship which has ruined several careers.

The navy is going to really alienate the Florida congressional delegation if they don't move a ship in to replace the Kennedy.


99 posted on 01/23/2006 9:07:15 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
They were going to use the Kennedy to replace the Kitty Hawk in Japan, but the Japanese have agreed to take a nuclear powered ship with certain restrictions that the navy can apparently live with, meaning that the Kennedy is no longer necessary. And it is a ship which has ruined several careers. The navy is going to really alienate the Florida congressional delegation if they don't move a ship in to replace the Kennedy.

Yep the ship was done like her next older sister. They've almost decomed her once before which was part of the problem. The Pentagon {Clinton era} didn't give her proper maintenance funding and that resulted in the Captains getting the shaft over her readiness issues after 9/11. I've got a good guess as to the restriction but I won't say it.

For security & readiness reasons they should move one to Mayport actually they should make room for home porting two so we don't see more pictures like these.

I hate to see JFK go. Actually I hate to see an all nuke carrier fleet for many reasons including mass causality issues. I think it's a big mistake training wise. It greatly limits the number of qualified Snipes who could otherwise step in and take over in even of mass causality. A conventional Machinist Mate, Electricians Mate, etc can be standing Top Watch before a nuke snipe ever sees the ship. Even after he gets there he still has to qualify for entry level watch.

We did repairs that would never be allowed on a nuke nor should they ever for that matter.

100 posted on 01/23/2006 9:30:15 PM PST by cva66snipe
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