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Red Hat, Suse patch critical KDE security hole
InfoWorld ^ | 23 January 2006 | James Niccolai

Posted on 01/23/2006 8:21:55 AM PST by ShadowAce

Red Hat and Suse have released patches for a critical security hole in their Linux distributions that stem from a vulnerability in the KDE desktop environment.

KDE is a user interface package used with several versions of Unix and Linux. The KDE hole was discovered Thursday and rated critical by both Red Hat and the French Security Incident Response Team (FrSIRT).

It affects the JavaScript engine used in various parts of KDE, including its Konqueror Web browser. The flaw could allow a remote attacker to launch an overflow attack and run arbitrary code on the user's machine, FrSIRT said.

Users could disable JavaScript in Konqueror as a workaround, but some Web sites might not display properly and installing the patches is better, said Suse, which is part of Novell.

The problem affects version 4 of Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS, ES, and WS, and also version 4 of Red Hat Desktop. Red Hat released patches for those products late last week on the Red Hat Network, it said.

The versions of Suse Linux affected are 10.0, 9.3, 9.2 and 9.1, according to a Suse advisory at http://www.novell.com/linux/security/advisories/2006_03_kdelibs3.html/

KDE also released patches for the hole, and an advisory at http://kde.org/info/security/advisory-20060119-1.txt. The flaw affects KDE 3.2.0 up to and including KDE 3.5.0, it said.

The newest version of KDE released in November, KDE 3.5, is apparently not affected. Also not affected are Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 or 2.1, Red Hat said.

The FrSIRT advisory is at http://www.frsirt.com/english/advisories/2006/0279


TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: kde; linux; patch
The flaw affects KDE 3.2.0 up to and including KDE 3.5.0, it said.
The newest version of KDE released in November, KDE 3.5, is apparently not affected.

Does this make any sense?

1 posted on 01/23/2006 8:21:57 AM PST by ShadowAce
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2 posted on 01/23/2006 8:22:14 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Say it ain't so Linus.


3 posted on 01/23/2006 8:23:22 AM PST by conservative barking moonbat (1989 Light years from home)
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To: ShadowAce

I thought only IE had these kind of issues..... ;)


4 posted on 01/23/2006 8:25:06 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: conservative barking moonbat
Say it ain't so Linus.

LOL! On a more serious note, though, Linus has nothing to do with KDE. KDE is strictly a user app, and not related to the kernel.

5 posted on 01/23/2006 8:25:13 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: conservative barking moonbat

Understand that this is not a "train" that Linus controls.


6 posted on 01/23/2006 8:25:50 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: BlueStateDepression
I thought only IE had these kind of issues

Nah. But the difference is that the patch was released with the flaw information. MS would wait until the screams from customers would force them to patch.

7 posted on 01/23/2006 8:26:36 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
WINDOWMAKER!!

It Works!

Very low resource overhead too . . . And it looks neat!


8 posted on 01/23/2006 8:58:15 AM PST by blues_guitarist (Ez. 38 & 39 <--- It's closer than you think!)
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To: BlueStateDepression

"I thought only IE had these kind of issues..... ;"

Nothings perfect. While this is considered "critical" since it can allow another to execute arbitrary code on an affected machine; it is a rather narrow vulnerability. For it to be exploited one would have to visit a web site and use Konquerer as the browser. Now I'm sure a few folks browse with Konquerer, but the vast majority use Firefox, Mozilla, or Opera; non of which are vulnerable to this flaw.

Just the same, I've already downloaded and applied the patch!


9 posted on 01/23/2006 9:04:50 AM PST by crescen7 (lighten up)
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To: ShadowAce
The flaw affects KDE 3.2.0 up to and including KDE 3.5.0, it said. The newest version of KDE released in November, KDE 3.5, is apparently not affected. Does this make any sense?

Only if the current version of KDE 3.5 is at revision level 1 or higher (3.5.1 or higher). It would have been smarter writing to have been more specific, rather than just referring to the major/minor release numbers.

10 posted on 01/23/2006 9:06:53 AM PST by kevkrom
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To: blues_guitarist
I also like a nice, clean, desktop:


11 posted on 01/23/2006 9:14:04 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I think I'm in a very small minority - I know I'm "supposed" to like KDE (more powerful, more configurable) but try as I might, I find GNOME to be more my cup of tea.


12 posted on 01/23/2006 9:59:37 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: blues_guitarist
Agreed. WindowMaker is very clean, and my preferred environment, along with KDE apps.
13 posted on 01/23/2006 9:59:45 AM PST by clyde asbury (Atomic Amish)
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To: blues_guitarist; ShadowAce
The least you could do is post links, you lot.

On a related topic, now I've found a place where you probably are reading this topic I've a question for all you 'nix users out there: I am considering converting this box to Linux for dedicated Web browsing, but I can not seem to locate a Firewall that works like My two favourite 'Doze apps do (BlackIce Defender and Agnitum Outpost)-namely, they work by not allowing ANY connection to be made unless specifically allowed on each individual basis. I.e., if I click on the FR site, a little box pops up stating "(Application)(Opera Browser) is requesting a connection with such-and-such a site (www.freerepublic.com). |Allow|Deny|Create Rule for| ?"

Then I click on the Create button and the window switches to a box where I can allow the connection to be allowed once, denied once, or allowed/denied automatically every following time. Using this method, NO spyware/adware/malware has been able to infect this machine, and on other sites I can bypass all the ad-muck popups as well which cleans up the browsing effect markedly. Any recommendations?

I am also looking for a newer version of Linux that can run on an older machine, such as an older one with about 64M of memory or so. Hopefully, one that can be configured to run in extreme power-saving mode so I can leave it on continuously without sending My electricity bill through the roof. Damn Small Linux (DSL) works quite well, but it is rather sparse and I would like something with a little more apps to it. Any ideas from all you experts out there?

14 posted on 01/23/2006 12:08:25 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Utilizer
Xfce Desktop

Hope that helps.

As far as firewall, I have made a conscious effort to NOT comment of existing firewalls, as I created my own. I took an old P120, installed a minimal distro on it (Can't remember it offhand), and manually edited the ipchains file to drop all connections coming in that I did not specifically request.

Nobody ever gets in, and I can get out. It took me about 4-5 lines of code.

As far as a lightweight distro, try Puppy Linux. It contains a fairly decent set of software, and it's a popular distro.

I just remembered--I've heard pretty good things about Devil Linux--a distro made for firewalls and routers. I have had no experience with it, so I don't know how it works, I would doubt that it will work exactly like you are used to, though.

15 posted on 01/23/2006 12:20:32 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
The KDE hole was discovered Thursday...

After being in place since at least February 2004, when KDE 3.2 was released. Someone want to explain that "many eyeballs" business to me again?

16 posted on 01/23/2006 12:24:43 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: ShadowAce
My thanks, mate. I always appreciate the wealth of knowledge fellow FReepers helpfully provide for others who are interested in such information. Especially for individuals such as I who candidly admit to being relative 'newbies' on such a topic and at the beginning side of the bell-curve of such information and looking to increase their knowledge of same. Preferably without wading through pages and pages of FUD or outright propaganda for a pet peeve in leiu of helpful information, or deliberately unrelated replies.

Again, thanks and feel free to send more info that might be relevant anytime you come across it.

Cheers!

17 posted on 01/23/2006 12:32:19 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Someone want to explain that "many eyeballs" business to me again?

What are you suggesting? "Many eyeballs" translates into instantaneous discovery? How long did the WMF vulnerabilty exist before discovery? Hint: It was much longer than two years.

18 posted on 01/23/2006 12:40:22 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
All bugs are shallow, right?

Actually, my point is quite simple - KDE, like most OSS projects, has a dedicated core of developers who do the vast, vast majority of coding for the project. The chances of someone outside this inner core of developers actually sitting down with the code and looking for bugs are basically non-existent. The projects are too large and too complicated for dillettantes to have much of an impact - the amount of work needed to familiarize yourself with the codebase in order to make meaningful contributions pretty much bars folks from simply dipping in and shotgunning some bug fixes into place. So, effectively, the "many eyeballs" paradigm is simply an illusion in most cases. It sounds nice in theory, but it doesn't really exist in reality.

19 posted on 01/23/2006 1:01:58 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Senator Bedfellow
I do understand your point. With a project the size of KDE, it may even be valid. The difference as I see it, has to do with the motivation/ability of the developers. With a closed-source project, the company must balance talent with costs, thus the developers assigned to the project usually barely cover the needs of that project. Hence, their ability to discover, track, and correct bugs is limited by time and priorities.

With FLOSS, any developer can join the project. The project cansupport as many interested developers as want to join. This, plus the motivation of the involved developers being more project-oriented than closed-source developers, and yes--all bugs are shallow in comparison with closed-source projects.

20 posted on 01/23/2006 1:15:46 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: blues_guitarist

What distro are you running under that WindowMaker. I tried it a few years ago on Mandrake, and wasn't too happy with. I'm a NextStep veteran, so I had some sentimental interest in WindowMaker and OpenStep...


21 posted on 01/23/2006 2:13:39 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: ShadowAce
This, plus the motivation of the involved developers being more project-oriented than closed-source developers, and yes--all bugs are shallow in comparison with closed-source projects.

That's a buttload of crap. Closed-source developers aren't any less "project-oriented" than open source developers. Probably more so. I know you'd like to think so but bugs aren't shallow in either methodology.
22 posted on 01/23/2006 2:32:00 PM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
Closed-source developers aren't any less "project-oriented" than open source developers.

So your position is that if you quit paying the MS developers, they'd gladly stay on and work?

23 posted on 01/23/2006 2:34:45 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
So your position is that if you quit paying the MS developers, they'd gladly stay on and work?

Non-sequitor. If the companies that pay the devs that do open source in their free time stop paying them, they're not going to afford to stay on and work on the OSS projects, either.
24 posted on 01/23/2006 3:19:14 PM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
I've found that the configuration that comes with Suse is preconfigured pretty well. It's set up to have access to the default Suse menus right from your right click menu.
25 posted on 01/23/2006 3:31:58 PM PST by blues_guitarist (Ez. 38 & 39 <--- It's closer than you think!)
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To: Bush2000
Non-sequitor.

No, it's not. Less than half of all FLOSS developers are paid to develop software for the project they are woring on. Yes, most of the large, well-known projects have paid developers, but those comprise a very small minority of projects.

26 posted on 01/24/2006 5:31:13 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
No, it's not. Less than half of all FLOSS developers are paid to develop software for the project they are woring on. Yes, most of the large, well-known projects have paid developers, but those comprise a very small minority of projects.

Yes, it is. Take away a paycheck from either closed source or open source developers -- regardless of that source of income -- and you're not going to see people dedicating their time to their projects.
27 posted on 01/24/2006 10:29:48 AM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: Bush2000
The point is where that paycheck comes from. How many MS developers contribute their free/spare time to coding for MS? Contrast that to how many FLOSS developers are contributing their time and effort in addition to their full-time jobs. The difference is because of the orientation of those developers--FLOSS developers contribute is spite of not being paid by that project. MS developers contribute solely because they are being paid by that project.

That is the difference, and that is my point.

28 posted on 01/24/2006 10:43:22 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
The point is where that paycheck comes from. How many MS developers contribute their free/spare time to coding for MS?

A majority of them. Overtime is not reimbursed at MS. Every dev that I know that works there is a workaholic. And many of them work on joint projects between several teams that aren't reimbursed. For example, DirectX started as a joint effort initiated by Alex St. John. People simply believed in the concept and made it happen. Without anybody paying them to do it. Consequently, based on what I've seen, your original statement is BS.
29 posted on 01/24/2006 11:35:13 AM PST by Bush2000 (Linux -- You Get What You Pay For ... (tm)
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To: ShadowAce
I'll disagree with that. I don't think that OSS programmers are necessarily more motivated or more able than their closed-source counterparts. Professional programmers are like everyone else, in the sense that most of them take some amount of pride in their work, and few of them want to be seen as Charlie Codegrinder, doing whatever bare minimum is necessary to keep from getting fired.

As far as ability goes, most OSS programmers are limited in what they can contribute by the simple fact that almost all of them have to have day jobs, so as to put food on the table and keep the lights on and so forth. It's awfully hard to put in an 80-hour week when you're up against a deadline for your real job, and then come home and not be too fried to put some real effort into hobby programming. Unless by "ability" you mean "talent", but I don't think either OSS or closed-source projects have a monopoly on talent.

Anyway, where you have OSS projects with a dedicated core of talented programmers, the output is generally of high quality. But of course, that's equally true for closed-source software.

30 posted on 01/24/2006 11:50:57 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: ShadowAce

"What are you suggesting? "Many eyeballs" translates into instantaneous discovery?"


Sure, because that is the value point the Open Source crowd claims of having "Many eyeballs".


31 posted on 01/24/2006 12:13:28 PM PST by CodeToad
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