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Fluoride Foes Win the Year - Scientifically & Politically
Fluoride Action Network ^ | January 2006 | Fluoride Action Network

Posted on 01/24/2006 3:11:50 AM PST by nyscof

New York - January 16, 2006 - Fluoride, added to water supplies, is touted as a tooth decay preventive. Science increasingly shows fluoridation is ineffective, harmful and a waste of money. But the politics of organized dentistry keeps fluoridated water flowing.

Last year, 2005, was a very successful year for the Fluoride Action Network (FAN) and their affiliated groups for getting the truth out and bringing negative fluoride science to the media’s attention.

Voters rejected fluoridation in at least nine referenda including Bellingham, Washington, where fluoridationists spent $260,000 to lose against a small group of volunteers armed with the truth and very little cash. Eight legislative bodies rebuffed fluoridation. Five state mandates were deflected. Another study linked fluoridation to bone cancer. Several others point to fluoride's harm. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) professionals ask for a fluoridation moratorium.

FAN together with the Environmental Working Group (EWG) and Beyond Pesticides ask the EPA to revoke their approval of fumigant sulfuryl fluoride because it adds harmful levels of fluoride residues to foods - at levels even your dentist wouldn't recommend.

We captured the media’s attention. FAN members appeared on TV, radio and in print. And there were many other highlights. Some are detailed below

1) Voters Reject Fluoridation: • Neosho, Missouri: April 5, 2005 • Hood River, Oregon: May 2005 * • Greymouth, New Zealand October 7, 2005 • Bellingham, Washington: 53-47% Against Fluoridation: November 8, 2005 (see letter in 12. below). • Tooele, Utah: 66-34% Against Fluoridation: November 8, 2005 • Springfield, Ohio: 57-43% Against Fluoridation: November 8, 2005 • Xenia, Ohio: 63-37% Against Fluoridation: November 8, 2005 • Mammoth Lakes, California: 72-28% Against : November 8, 2005 * • Golden, BC, Canada: 69-31% Against Fluoridation: November 2005

* Pure Water Initiatives - prohibits addition of industrial waste or any substance causing maximum contaminant level goals (MCLGs) to be exceeded. Please note the MCLG for both lead and arsenic is ZERO.

2) Legislative bodies reject fluoridation: • Snohomish, Washington: January 2005 • Pagosa Springs, Colorado March 2005 • Bonney Lake, Washington, Approves Alternative to Fluoridation • Water on Okinawa bases no longer fluoridated • North Attleboro Board of Health, Massachusetts • Battlefield, MO October 2005 • Homer, New York: November 1, 2005 • Hampton, Iowa December 13, 2005

3) Fluoridation State Mandates Deflected:

Arkansas Nebraska New Jersey Oregon Pennsylvania

4) FAN finds bone cancer study "buried" at Harvard and EWG touches off firestorm:

a) In January 2005, thanks to information from silicofluoride expert Myron Coplan, FAN members obtained copies of key sections of a 2001 Harvard PhD thesis strongly associating fluoride in drinking water to the incidence of osteosarcoma (a frequently fatal bone cancer) in young males. Dr. Elise Bassin had successfully defended this thesis in 2001. Despite its revelations of a life threatening disease related to low fluoride exposure these findings were not shared by Bassin's thesis advisor with the scientific community, US regulators or the public. This information only came out because FAN made copies of the relevant sections avilable. http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/bassin-2001.pdf

b) Based on Bassin's thesis and other studies, EWG asked the National Toxicology Program of the National Institutes of Health to list fluoride in tap water as a carcinogen. http://www.ewg.org/issues/fluoride/20050606/index.php

c) EWG also petitioned the National Institutes of Environmental Health to investigate the apparent cover-up and misrepresentation of the conclusions of the thesis by Bassin's mentor Chester W. Douglass -- a Harvard Professor and editor of a Colgate newsletter. http://www.ewg.org/issues_content/fluoride/20050627/pdf/ltr_strother_20050627.pdf

Harvard is investigating . http://www.ewg.org/news/story.php?id=4205

5) Eleven U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Unions call for fluoridation moratorium:

In light of the Harvard research linking fluoridation with childhood bone cancer, and in light of many previous studies, eleven U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Unions, representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals employed by the EPA, ask for a fluoridation moratorium and congressional hearings looking into the safety of water fluoridation. In a letter to EPA Administrator, Stephen Johnson, they also ask for a maximum contaminant level goal (MCLG) of zero for fluoride in drinking water.

The Protect Our Water Alliance (POWA) organized an online petition in support of these federal EPA professionals who are sworn to protect our health: http://www.powalliance.org/petition

The petition has over 9,000 signatures, so far, including 343 Medical, 168 Nurses, 104 Dentists, 18 Registered Dental Hygienists, 538 with higher academic degrees, 40 members of the legal profession, 1 State Senator (Hawaii), the National Toxics Campaign Director for Greenpeace, USA, as well as the officers of many other state environmental organizations.

6) More scientific studies indicate fluoride's dangers at low levels and fluoridation's ineffectiveness :

Erdal S, Buchanan SN. (2005). A quantitative look at fluorosis, fluoride exposure, and intake in children using a health risk assessment approach. Environmental Health Perspectives 113:111-7.

This study, published in Jan '05, provides an analysis of total fluoride intake in children. It finds that some children are ingesting too much fluoride. To quote:

"the findings of this health risk assessment study support concerns that a segment of the infant and child population in the United States may be exposed to amounts of fluoride greater than the optimum level for caries prevention... This raises questions about the continued need for fluoridation in the U.S. municipal water supply to protect against the risk of fluorosis."

CDC (2005). Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report 54:1-43.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) releases findings of a 1999-2002 national survey showing that 32% of American children now have dental fluorosis, an increase of 9% since the last national survey in 1986-87. See: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5403a1.htm and http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5403a1.htm#tab2

Liu JL, et al. (2005). [The dose-effect relationship of water fluoride levels and renal damage in children] Wei Sheng Yan Jiu. 34:287-8.

This Chinese study found that children drinking water with > 2 ppm fluoride are at increased risk for kidney disease. See: http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/news/25.html

Eichmiller et al. (2005) Controlling the fluoride dosage in a patient with compromised salivary function. Journal of the American Dental Association.

"The combination of gastric problems, difficulty in swallowing, leg muscle pain, and pain in the knee and hip joints is a key indicator of fluoride toxicity, and patients using high-concentration home fluoride treatments should be monitored for these symptoms."

Whyte et al. (2005) Skeletal fluorosis and instant tea. American Journal of Medicine. Woman's bone and joint pain diagnosed as fluoride toxicity in a woman consuming excessive quantities of instant tea.

Komarek et al. (2005). A Bayesian analysis of multivariate doubly-interval-censored dental data. Biostatistics 6:145-55.

This study, from a European team, utilized a large set of dental data to investigate the impact of ingested fluoride (as reflected by the presence/absence of dental fluorosis) on cavity rates. According to the authors:

"Our analysis shows no convincing effect of fluoride-intake on caries development... This agrees with current guidelines for the use of fluoride in caries prevention, where only the topical application (e.g. fluoride in tooth paste) is considered to be essential."

Mullenix, P.J. (2005) Fluoride Poisoning A Puzzle with Hidden Pieces. International Journal of Environmental Health.

In this article Mullenix reveals hidden industrial studies which indicated fluoride's potential damage to workers which if known would have necessitated reduction of acceptable air concentration levels in the work place. See: http://www.ijoeh.com/pfds/IJOEH_1104_Mullenix.pdf

See http://www.FluorideAction.Net/health for a comprehensive discussion of fluoride's health effects.

7) Throughout 2005, FAN has kept the NRC panel reviewing the toxicology of fluoride in water (expected to report back in eary 2006) fully informed on the latest scientific findings and revelations:

FAN's submissions have included a thorough analysis of the Bassin thesis as well a review of the other studies which have invesitgated a possible connection between fluoridation and osteosarcoma.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/fan-nrc.part1.pdf http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/cancer/fan-nrc.part2.pdf

8) FAN, EWG and Beyond Pesticides appeal EPA's approval of the use of Sulfuryl Fluoride on food:

FAN, EWG and Beyond Pesticides intervened on EPA's approval of very high fluoride residues on food as a result of approving DowAgroSciences's application for first-use of Sulfuryl Fluoride as a fumigant on food. This includes 900 ppm on powdered eggs! By comparison kids are told to spit out toothpaste containing 1000 ppm fluoride.

FAN is confident that this intervention will lead to an evidentiary hearing in 2006 and thus force fluoride apologists to testify and be cross-examined under oath. This could ahve huge ramifications for water fluroidation because the EPA's health risk is predicated on the dated and scientifically undefendable MCLG for fluroide of 4 ppm. http://www.fluoridealert.org/pesticides/sf.press.release.12-21-05.html

9) Media

Television and Radio:

• ABC-TV World News covers the Bellingham, WA fluoridation fight.

• KGMI talk radio (Clear Channel Communications) hosted a 1 hour debate between San Diego dentist David Kennedy and BFFF Co-chair, pediatrician Ken Gass. It was followed by a 1 hour call-in program the next day for public discussion on the debate.

• Lynn Campbell, Executive Director, Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water debated Oregon's top fluoride promoter and dentist on Oregon Public Broadcasting.

• Paul Connett, Executive Director, Fluoride Action Network debates NY dentist on the Mike Gallagher radio show

• National Public Radio, "All Things Considered," covers Bellingham, WA, story and interviews Paul Connett

• Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation debates New York State Dental Association dentist on local NYC NBC-TV news show

• Mike Connett, Project Director, FAN, debates Vermont State Dental Director on Vermont Public Radio.

Print:

• Detroit Free Press, "Toothpaste label revs up some anxiety," by Susan Ager, January 13, 2005

• Whole Life Times, "The Fluoride Factor", by Kelly Hearn, April 2005

• News Observer, "Water treatment process called potential risk; Chemicals mix with plumbing could put lead in tap water, by Jerry Allegood May 2005

• Philadelphia Inquirer, "It's a drug - with potentially harmful side effects," by Sharon Finlayson, June 3, 2005

• New York Post, "Fluoridated Water a Bone Danger," by Andy Soltis, June 8, 2005

• U.K. Observer, "Fluoride water 'causes cancer' Boys at risk from bone tumours, shock research reveals," by Bob Woffinden, June 12, 2005

• First Magazine, " Thyroid Discovery: New research links sneaky sources of fluoride with tiredness and weight gain," June 13, 2005

• Irish Independent, "Dentists Demand End to 'Cancer Risk' Fluoride in Water," by Treacy Hogan, June 14, 2005

• Irish Times, "Call for ban on addition of fluoride to water," by Alison Healy, June 15, 2005

• Burlington Free Press, "Does fluoridated water still make sense?" by John Briggs, June 15, 2005

• Burlington Free Press, "Contradictory scientific studies raise questions about fluoride safety" by John Briggs, June 23, 2005

• UPI, "Group: Dentist hid fluoride-cancer link," June 28, 2005

• Boston Herald, "Claim: Doctor fudged fluoride findings," by Jessica Heslam, June 28, 2005

• Boston Herald, "Harvard launches probe in dental research flap," by Jessica Heslam, June 29, 2005

• Harvard Crimson, "Dental school begins investigation of Prof: School probes accusations that Douglass misreported findings of cancer study," by Brendan R. Linn, July 1, 2005

• The Scientist, "School launches probe after accusations that faculty member misrepresented fluoride-cancer study," by Alison McCook, July 11, 2005

• Washington Post," Professor at Harvard Is Being Investigated Fluoride-Cancer Link May Have Been Hidden," By Juliet Eilperin, July 13, 2005;

• Associated Press "Did Harvard study downplay risk of fluoride? University to probe professor's research on water, bone cancer in boys," July 13, 2005

• Chicago Sun-Times, "Did prof lie about fluoride-Cancer link?" July 15, 2005

• AlterNet, "Taking a Closer Look at Fluoride," by Kelly Hearn, July 21, 2005

• Wall Street Journal, "Fluoridation, Cancer: Did Researchers Ask the Right Questions?" by Sharon Begley, July 22, 2005

• Biotech Business Week, "Fluoride in tap water linked to bone cancer," by staff, July 25, 2005

• Albany (Oregon) Democrat-Herald, "Fluoride bill left decaying in Salem," by Hasso Hering, July 25, 2005

• SL Weekly, Editorial "Bad to the Bone: Fluoride foes get help in shaking the crackpot label," August 11, 2005

• North West Indiana Times, "EPA unions call for halt to water fluoridation: Unions want review of chemical's benefits, dangers," by Phil Wieland, August 22, 2005

• Lawrence Journal-World, "Fluoride opponents' argument gains teeth", August 24, 2005

• Associated Press, "EPA unions call for moratorium on fluoride in drinking water", by Mathew Daly, August 31, 2005.

• Brattleboro Reformer, "Fluoride: How much, if any, is a good thing?" by Howard Weissman, September 15, 2005

• The Tennessean, "Some Rethink Fluoridation of Water: Debate weighs possible cancer risks vs tooth decay prevention," by Amy Green, September 19, 2005

• Harvard Crimson, "Professor's Research Reignites Fluoride-Cancer Correlation Debate With New Research", by Dan R. Rasmussen September 28, 2005

• Food Navigator, " Public health bodies slam new fluoride tolerance levels", October 3, 2005.

• TIME Magazine, "Not in My Water Supply: It hardens teeth and prevents cavities, but 60 years after it began, fluoridation is meeting new resistance," By Margot Roosevelt, Oct. 16, 2005

• New York Spirit, "Tap Water or Bottled? The Fluoride Issue," by Annemarie Colbin, Ph.D., November '05

- Associated Press, "Communities debate fluoride in water" (Vermont), November 26, 2005.

• Metro West Daily News, "The cost of no cavities: With Legislature considering fluoride mandate, health questions linger, " By Jon Brodkin November 27, 2005

• Daily Mail (Charleston WV), "Some oppose fluoride in water," by Jake Stumpp, November 28, 2005

• Metro West Daily News, "Editorial: Some second thoughts on fluoridation", November 29, 2005

• Metro West Daily News, "Fluoridation: Debate over safety is renewed," December 11, 2005

- Times Herald Record, "Fluorosis: Too Much of a Good Thing", December 28, 2005 10) Other Important Events: • Burlington, VT, Council passes resolution urging reduction of fluoride

. Burlington VT Board of Health recommends that infants should not receive fluoridated water August 31, 2005. See:

• FAN members protest the ADA/CDC Joint Fluoridation Celebration on July 13th in Chicago. See pictures:

• The Chicago Citizens Against Fluoridation is formed. (CCAF)

• Dentists predicted fluoridation would put them out of business but the Wall Street Journal reports that dentists' make more money than physicians and work fewer days and fewer hours. "Dentists' pay tops doctors' Even with fewer cavities to fill, dentists' earnings are skyrocketing," MARK MAREMONT

• Many news reports show most dentists refuse Medicaid patients and that cavity rates are higher in fluoridated communities. See:

• UK Green political party "Fluoridation of our water is 'dangerous unscientific nonsense,'" November 14, 2005

• Institute of Science in Society says no to fluoridation.

• Montreal's pro-fluoridation Mayoral candidate loses the election.

• Robert Kennedy on fluoridation: “Don't trust dogma from trade groups... It is healthy to be skeptical of the American Dental Association,” The Hutchinson Collegian, November 18, 2005.

• Water Fluoridation "Obsolete" according to a FAN interview with recent Medicine/Physiology Nobel Prize Scientist Dr. Arvid Carlsson. Nations who still practice it "should feel ashamed of themselves" See:

• October 18, Horsham Rural City Council (Australia) delays vote on fluoridation despite being "ordered" by Victoria's Chief "health" Officer Dr. Robert Hall to proceed. Citizens group subsequently forms and is now fighting a major campaign there. (Getting Robert Hall out of government is as important to the health of the citizens of Victoria as getting fluoride out of the water! PC).

• European Directive comes into force on October 31 which could well make fluoridation illegal in the UK and Ireland.

11) A citizen from Bellingham, Washington sums up their victory and our continued struggle:

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Says Bellingham is fluoride bellwether

An historic struggle has been fought in Bellingham.

A small group of volunteers fought long and hard against a slick, well-funded campaign to put industrial fluoridated compounds in Bellingham's drinking water.

The pro-fluoridationists came in with a record-breaking amount of money in an attempt to sway a majority of voters. That effort and $260,000 spent, wasted.

Bellingham is a bellwether, it has been said. So with the defeat of Bellingham Initiative No. 1, the pro-fluoridationists made a huge blunder, one that will resonate across the country and even around the globe.

We exposed the misleading claims about the fraud called fluoridation. The truth was exposed under intense media scrutiny.

While some still firmly believe the fib that the product used for fluoridation is "safe and effective," I believe the reality is that the contaminated compound used in water fluoridation is a toxic stew containing fluoride.

It can also contain such toxins as lead, arsenic and mercury and has never been approved by the FDA or tested for water fluoridation.

The "better-educated voters" saw through the slick, glossy propaganda that big money provides. They said no to fluoridation and yes to safer water.

The little guy won this round and so did Bellingham. Danelle Weaver Bellingham

END

SOURCE: Fluoride Action Network http://www.FluorideAction.Net

http://tinyurl.com/7tqev


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1 posted on 01/24/2006 3:11:54 AM PST by nyscof
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To: nyscof

WOW !!!


2 posted on 01/24/2006 3:23:18 AM PST by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?
General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.
General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.
General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.
3 posted on 01/24/2006 3:23:23 AM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: nyscof
It's a communist plot to sully our precious bodily fluids!

Seriously though, I've never understood the concept of adding flouride to water to prevent tooth decay.

Why not leave the water alone and add flouride to sugar?

4 posted on 01/24/2006 3:23:31 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: nyscof

Bump


5 posted on 01/24/2006 3:38:18 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: nyscof

"This is exactly what I was talking about, Mandrake! The life essence..."

6 posted on 01/24/2006 3:46:27 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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ping


7 posted on 01/24/2006 3:47:17 AM PST by Cruz
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To: Knitebane

A typical Halloween night haul would put a kid in the hospital with fluoride poisoning.


8 posted on 01/24/2006 3:50:20 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: nyscof

Excellent news! Next up - chlorine.


9 posted on 01/24/2006 3:53:31 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: nyscof

It occurred to me the other day that perhaps Floride is effective as a decay-preventive toothpaste because the residue prevents the growth of bacteria on your toothbrush. If so, the same effect could be achieved through the use of Barbicide or some other sanitizing agent.

Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth?


10 posted on 01/24/2006 3:53:55 AM PST by gridlock (It's not really a circus until Teddy Kennedy steps out of the clown car...)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
"Mandrake, did you ever hear of a thing called gay marriage?"
11 posted on 01/24/2006 3:59:13 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Bend over and think of England.)
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To: nyscof

Finally this is gaining traction! As a school nurse, I used to have to provide this rinse to my kids. I refused, so the dental clinic had to find a volunteer to do it!


12 posted on 01/24/2006 4:00:57 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Jimbaugh

For the past two years, when I take the rugrats to the peditrician, the doctor always ask if we have floridated drinking water. (We do). It would be nice if they were collecting this data to see how many children who drink floridated water get cancer, but I suspect it is more along the lines of, "do you have a gun in your home".


13 posted on 01/24/2006 4:07:02 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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As a small child, we didn't have fluoride in our water or our toothpaste. I must tell you, all the kids I knew had terrible teeth. We would go to the dentist and have five or six cavaties every time. After the fluoride treatments, our teeth were much better. Of course, you could use fluoride toothpaste as well. I am older now and my teeth are still good. One woman would not let her kids have fluroide at all-bottled water etc. The kids teeth are terrible, they will need a complete bridge by 21.


14 posted on 01/24/2006 4:15:45 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: nyscof

We get enough Flouride in our toothpaste. This is over kill. We grew up with well water. We used Crest and had NO problems. There are problems with over kill of Flouride.


15 posted on 01/24/2006 4:19:28 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Shery
When my kids were small we were supplied by a tiny local water company that had no fluoride in the water.

I was glad about that and also bought fluoride FREE tooth paste.

Never took the dentist up on his suggestion tht they get fluoride rinses either.

Just never was comfortable with the so called scientific data on how good fluoride was for your children's teeth.

16 posted on 01/24/2006 4:34:45 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: bronxboy
Good teeth are more a result of good nutrition, good brushing habits and a little bit of heredity too.

My children never had fluoride in their drinking water or fluoride toothpaste.

My son, now 31 yrs. old has never had a cavity.

The daughter in her late 20s has two fillings.

17 posted on 01/24/2006 4:36:43 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: bronxboy
As a small child, we didn't have fluoride in our water or our toothpaste.

Nowadays, every mass-market toothpaste has the same concentration of fluoride, so anyone who brushes his teeth gets a dose each time and the benefit of fluoridated water would be reduced compared to when fluoride toothpastes weren't widely used.

If children still don't get enough fluoride, perhaps the city governments should encourage children to brush their teeth with toothpaste once more each day (perhaps after lunch at school/home, which would be a good habit to instill anyway), instead of fluoridating all the water supplies that everyone must use. Or, they could encourage the FDA to allow the sale of fluoride supplements that some parents buy for their children with a prescription or to raise the limit on fluoride concentration in toothpaste or mouthwash so people can still control their exposure.

Fluoridating all water might not be so good for people who drink water in excess. A friend of a friend drinks 48 cups of water a day (six times the recommended minimum eight cups), and she doesn't even exercise much, so she and many people who exercise would be exposed to significantly more fluoride than most people if her water were fluoridated.

18 posted on 01/24/2006 4:40:36 AM PST by heleny
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To: nyscof

THere is no Flouride in the water in the UK.

And just look at their lovely smiles.


19 posted on 01/24/2006 4:47:57 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: nyscof
I lead a team of Air Force Specialist who inspected DEW Line radar sites. Frequently I would meet up with a retired Army chaplain who was bringing Christ to these remote sites.

Chappie, as he was known, grew up on a ranch west of San Antonio and began dipping snuff when he was 12! He always carried a coffee can and had his tin of snuff in his shirt. He had this ritual when he was going to "dip". He would extract the tin from his shirt, drum his fingers on it, bang it against his elbows, knees and then toss it in the air. It would land in his hand and he would pop the lid, pinch the snuff and place it between his lip and teeth. Quite the display.

One night we were talking about his snuff usage and he said that every year when he was home in San Antonio he would schedule his physical, (he was 72) at Brooks Hospital! He said that his condition amazed the dentists since he had never had a cavity and the docs attributed it to the tobacco juice!

Go figger!

'Course I wouldn't want my daughter dippin'!

20 posted on 01/24/2006 4:50:12 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: OldFriend
Good teeth are more a result of good nutrition, good brushing habits and a little bit of heredity too.

Some studies have shown that the bacteria that causes most cavities (Streptococcus mutans) is transferred in saliva from mother to child in the first 2-3 years of his life. If a mother doesn't have cavities, she's less likely to transfer the bad bacteria to her children.

So, if that bacteria problem can be eradicated, perhaps by the introduction of "good bacteria" or a vaccine, cavities will decline across the population.

21 posted on 01/24/2006 4:51:27 AM PST by heleny
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To: heleny

Eliminate the bacteria and you eliminate an entire industry. Kinda like the tobacco industry.
Treat the symptoms and not eradicate the cause keeps a lot of folks in business.


22 posted on 01/24/2006 5:16:08 AM PST by Straight8
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To: nyscof

I got a study from my state a couple of years ago. I forget the exact numbers right now, but approx. half of the counties in the state had more flouride naturally occuring in the groundwater than is added artificially in other places. There were a couple of counties that had high enough flouride to cause stained teeth. It makes me wonder about the all the fuss.


23 posted on 01/24/2006 5:27:13 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: bronxboy

Toothpaste and floride treatments you spit out. There is a special 'baby' toothpaste sold in the stores. I asked my dentist if I should brush my babies teeth with regular kids floride paste or use the special baby paste and he said we should use baby paste because babies do not spit out the toothpaste like older kids and adults. Well, guess what. I DON'T SPIT OUT MY WATER AFTER I DRINK IT, EITHER.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 5:29:40 AM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: heleny
I've always heard the hereditary aspect was inheriting "good" saliva. Saliva neutralizes the acid created by the bacteria, contains minerals and antibacterial agents. Some of it's more effective than others.

I just have to look at my own family. Same nutrition, same dental care but my brother that inherited my mom's teeth (saliva?) has a mess to deal with. The rest of us who took after dad's and produce very little plaque and have great teeth.

Nutrition has a lot to do with it. I just look at my European relatives who were kids during WWII. Yuck! Their kid's teeth are fine.

25 posted on 01/24/2006 5:32:18 AM PST by lizma
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To: nyscof

Does this mean the left has inherited the ancient fluoride issue? Will we see Greenpeace start bombing water purification plants?


26 posted on 01/24/2006 5:47:59 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: jim_trent
"high enough flouride to cause stained teeth."

You can ID someone that was raised in Andrews, Texas by the bar across their two front teeth.

Floride seems to be a Texas thing.

27 posted on 01/24/2006 6:19:14 AM PST by Deguello
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To: Deguello
"Fluoride"

**note to self: when typing while on the phone, click the Spell tab before posting.

28 posted on 01/24/2006 6:26:12 AM PST by Deguello
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To: nyscof

We have well water and my pediatrician asked if we wanted to get flouride drops 4 years ago. I said no. Now the dentist is after us. I have been telling them no too. Thank goodness I researched this earlier, but it is always nice to get confirmation of the decision, this is overwhelming though.


29 posted on 01/24/2006 6:31:26 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Here we go Steelers, here we go!!! One for the thumb!!!)
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To: nyscof
But the politics of organized dentistry

Sounds like a good basis for a Monty Python skit involving roving gangs of dentists.

30 posted on 01/24/2006 6:33:28 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Eschew obfuscation, ya'll.)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

By the way, my sisters and I were raised with well water and I think that my sisters each have one cavity. I have none.


31 posted on 01/24/2006 6:37:57 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Here we go Steelers, here we go!!! One for the thumb!!!)
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To: Jimbaugh
Science increasingly shows fluoridation is ineffective, harmful and a waste of money. But the politics of organized dentistry keeps fluoridated water flowing.

This is absolute bunk... having lived in a place that has floridation and a place that didn't, I can tell you unequivacably it works. I never saw children with false teeth and fillings in areas I have lived with floridation.. but when I lived in a place that didn't.... it was very very common among young kids to have major teeth problems, and not only that ever Dentist in the area wanted to Floride Treatment every kid because they knew their teeth were softer...

Our dentist there openly couldn't believe how good our son's teeth were, of course we had just moved to the area from an area that did florinate.

The anti-floride crowd is the ALF-ELF of the dental health field... sort of the parents that will feed their kids soy nonsense.

32 posted on 01/24/2006 6:46:33 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: sportutegrl

The level of floride in drinking water is FAR FAR FAR lower than what is put into toothpaste... apples and oranges.


33 posted on 01/24/2006 6:48:27 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: bronxboy
I had fluoride treatment in school as a kid, I brush regularly, floss and visit my dentist every six months. If I had all the money in my hand right now for all the fillings, veneers, root canals and crowns I have had to put in my mouth over the years, I'd go out and pay cash for a new SUV.......

Fluoride and dental hygiene are overhyped in my opinion......... (^/^)

34 posted on 01/24/2006 6:52:58 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I break for pikas, swerve for skunks and accelerate for possum......squirrels are on their own)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Gotta go to the dentist now, I swallowed my temporary crown this past weekend and she says I have to have another one to protect the post till my permanent crown comes in........cha ching!


35 posted on 01/24/2006 6:55:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I break for pikas, swerve for skunks and accelerate for possum......squirrels are on their own)
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To: HamiltonJay
I can tell you unequivacably it works. I never saw children with false teeth and fillings in areas I have lived with floridation.. but when I lived in a place that didn't....

This is anectodal evidence that you would reject if used were used to support nutritional supplements. I grew up in a non-flouridated town, and the teeth were fine. Only closet socialists want the government to medicate drinking water.

36 posted on 01/24/2006 7:16:03 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Yea, ok.. and Homogenization and Pasteurization and Vitamin D added to milk, and Iondine added to salt are all great and grand conspiracies...

Please, when the dentists in the area where non floridation tell you point blank that their kids have more teeth issues than kids from areas that floridate, its not anectdotal evidence... your single case is anectdotal.

All the anti floride crowd is, is the same nutball nonsense hippie nonsense that brings you the ELF and ALF foolishness and parents who kill their kids by feeding them nothing but soy.


37 posted on 01/24/2006 7:29:21 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I taught in a rural area without flouridation. I would be more willing to believe or bet that the kids with problem teeth are from families with poor diets, education about oral hygiene, etc. My observation was the kids from "better, more with-it" families had better teeth.


38 posted on 01/24/2006 8:03:03 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Here we go Steelers, here we go!!! One for the thumb!!!)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

The area I lived in with no floridation in the water was Silicon Valley California.. this was hardly a bastion of uneducated, poor diet po folks.

Floridation works, the evidence is overwhelming that it does work.


39 posted on 01/24/2006 8:14:19 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: aimhigh
Only closet socialists want the government to medicate drinking water.

How can you "medicate" water with something that is found naturally in many area of the country (with absolutely no ill effects)?

40 posted on 01/24/2006 8:14:32 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: RWR8189

LOL!!


41 posted on 01/24/2006 8:17:58 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: HamiltonJay

Strange, I was just yesterday musing on the similarity between creationist attitudes and folks like these nuts.


42 posted on 01/24/2006 8:18:08 AM PST by edsheppa
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To: nyscof

"But the politics of organized dentistry keeps fluoridated water flowing."

Behold, DENTISTS, the source of all evil!

LOL


43 posted on 01/24/2006 8:21:57 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
Behold, DENTISTS, the source of all evil!

Watch it sparky, I'm one of those evil dentists, and I know where you live.

(Hey, it isn't easy being omnipotent)

Anyway, I wish someone could FINALLY explain to me why dentists would conspire to put something in the water to REDUCE the number of cavities. Shouldn't it be the other way around???

44 posted on 01/24/2006 8:25:48 AM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: HamiltonJay

Q. How can you tell the toothbrush was invented in Alabama?

A. It isn't called a "teethbrush."

XD

(just kidding!)


45 posted on 01/24/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: nyscof

John Birchers and Greenpeacers: Dodos of a feather.


46 posted on 01/24/2006 8:30:16 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: TomB

Ha! Never thought of it that way.


47 posted on 01/24/2006 8:32:28 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: TomB

And the Scientologists thought that the psychologists were devious. ;)


48 posted on 01/24/2006 8:33:13 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: nyscof
One of my grand daughters had a problem with her teeth not developing the enamel properly. Fluoride treatments did help, however, the warnings on the bottle included not letting children swallow the stuff.

I question the use of fluoride in the water, simply because there is little contact time with the teeth, and significantly more with other tissues.

49 posted on 01/24/2006 8:53:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: TomB
How can you "medicate" water with something that is found naturally in many area of the country (with absolutely no ill effects)

There are differences between naturally flouridated water and artificially flouridated water. Naturally flouridated water comes with calcium. Artificially flouridated water comes with other chemicals to keep the pipes from deteriorating.

50 posted on 01/24/2006 12:17:33 PM PST by aimhigh
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