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To: Hoplite

there are no where near the mass graves that was claimed. Tell me where Hoppy are the mass graves of Kosovo? Tell me where the mass graves of Racak? The Serbs that were responsible for killing Albanians are being handled by the Serbs as they are aware and are taking care of their own. Nothing can be said about ICTY and The Hague.

I wondered when you were going to pop your little ole head up and find something that you can say. There are many different ways to introduce information or points other than the less than professional way that you do.

However, I've certainly ran into a few that have been worse....if that were possible....:).

There have been many of the so called facts said about the Serbs that have been false to justify entrance into the Balkans. However, I do understand the reasons for entering, (race there before Al Qaeda gets an early foothold, pipeline from the caspian, and keep an eye on Islam that is germanating in the Balkans, etc... Obviously, this is a simplistic view, it's much more complicated and beyond the scope of this forum.....

One example of the manipulation and change of policy:

Circa 1998:

There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.

Sept. 10, 2002
Cumberland, Md.: Where you aware of the KLA and Bosnian Muslims' ties to Osama bin Laden at the time you were negotiating with them?

Richard C. Holbrooke: Yes. In fact, we were so concerned about this issue that we wrote into the Dayton Peace Agreements a clause requiring the withdrawal of all "foreign elements" within a short time after the agreement took force. When we found elements that had remained behind, we launched raids against them. Not all of these people were removed, and the effort is still continuing. Without the peace in Bosnia, there is a real chance that bin Laden would have been able to set up in the Balkans what he did in Afghanistan with far greater danger to the West.

Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:
Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.

"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.

"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.

mass graves:

More mass graves were found in Maleselev in August 2005.....

Mass graves were found in several places of Albanians. The Serbs as I said before are prosecuting these criminals after the U.S. put their foot down for them to do so. The Serbs have been such good boys and girls in cleaning up their closet that they are sending troops to work with the UN.....

Now, what convictions have been upheld for Ramush H. and Fatmir Limaj? None.....Six witnesses against Ramush have been murdered to include Tahir Zemaj, was a former FARK member, and member of LDK pol party. Long time enemy of Thaci.

mass graves: Yes, both Albanians and Serbs...... for the truth not partial truth as you would cover up the truth......try again, cut the sarcasm and share, provided discussion, facts (that are researched). So, if you can't, don't go away mad....just go away. Or, come up with an unbiased opjective discussion.


16 posted on 01/24/2006 5:09:03 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
there are no where near the mass graves that was claimed

Well wait a minute, Tom.

One minute you're saying there were no mass graves of Kosovo Albanians, and now you're admitting, in a rather backhand way, that there were.

If you can't get even the most elementary facts straight, what use are you?

17 posted on 01/24/2006 5:14:57 PM PST by Hoplite
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