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Warriors and wusses
The Los Angeles Times ^ | January 24, 2006 | Joel Stein, Los Angeles Times

Posted on 01/24/2006 9:38:49 AM PST by seanmerc

Warriors and wusses

I DON'T SUPPORT our troops. This is a particularly difficult opinion to have, especially if you are the kind of person who likes to put bumper stickers on his car. Supporting the troops is a position that even Calvin is unwilling to urinate on.

I'm sure I'd like the troops. They seem gutsy, young and up for anything. If you're wandering into a recruiter's office and signing up for eight years of unknown danger, I want to hang with you in Vegas.

And I've got no problem with other people — the ones who were for the Iraq war — supporting the troops. If you think invading Iraq was a good idea, then by all means, support away. Load up on those patriotic magnets and bracelets and other trinkets the Chinese are making money off of.

But I'm not for the war. And being against the war and saying you support the troops is one of the wussiest positions the pacifists have ever taken — and they're wussy by definition. It's as if the one lesson they took away from Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest but to remember to throw a parade afterward.

Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there — and who might one day want to send them somewhere else. Trust me, a guy who thought 50.7% was a mandate isn't going to pick up on the subtleties of a parade for just service in an unjust war. He's going to be looking for funnel cake.

Besides, those little yellow ribbons aren't really for the troops. They need body armor, shorter stays and a USO show by the cast of "Laguna Beach."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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Read the whole article--it is absolutely unbelievable! The libs are now showing their true colors. At least they're finally being somewhat honest.
1 posted on 01/24/2006 9:38:49 AM PST by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Good. Hope he convicnces the Democrat Leadership that this is a winning tactic for them. Time to demand the Democrats come out of the closet like this writer did.


2 posted on 01/24/2006 9:40:40 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: seanmerc

Ahhh, perfect. An unvarnished, PERFECT example of the left in this country - a man who has, by his own admission, never served his country in any respect (even jury duty, as he proudly proclaims), casting a baleful glare at the armed forces that are, to him, nothing more than an "imperialist tool" of the United States. The more people that read it, the better. Just get a mop for all the vomit.


3 posted on 01/24/2006 9:44:32 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: seanmerc

One again, another liberal whackjob who thinks 9/11 was a made for TV movie. It didn't really happen, so why are we off killing terrorists(oops, freedom fighters) in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Are these people honest-to-God serious? What would these people fight for? How about OBL coming up the Potomac river on gunboats? Would they lob some mortar shells at OBL from GW's backyard at Mount Vernon? Or would they try to reason with the man? Try a more compassionate way to fight terrorism? Honestly, I think they'd chose the latter.

Surely, there must be something these people would fight for? What then?


4 posted on 01/24/2006 9:49:52 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: seanmerc
I'm sure I'd like the troops. They seem gutsy, young and up for anything.

Not to mention butch as all git out.

5 posted on 01/24/2006 9:52:15 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: seanmerc

Joel Klein is not a typical liberal. He wrote a column (last week I think?) in which he told how he made Maureen Dowd mad and now she won't accept any wine from him in a restaurant LOL! It was a funny piece.

He's being honest, which is rare on their side. And it's refreshing to read.


6 posted on 01/24/2006 9:54:14 AM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot and a new member of Sam's Club)
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To: seanmerc
I have no problem with this guy? He's flat-out honest about his feelings. He's basically describing what we've said all along -- that liberals who oppose the war based on Michael Moorish fantasies can not hide behind the "I oppose the war but suupport the troops" veil.

This guy has every right to oppose the war, just like he can stand in traffic and blame Bush or Rove or Halliburton if a car hits him. It doen't make him right, but then again, that's why they're call 'opinions'. Still, he's honestly conveying his opinions, unlike the wusses who can not reconcile the gulf between what the say and what they really feel.

7 posted on 01/24/2006 9:58:31 AM PST by cchandler
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To: seanmerc

This guy ain't fit to shine a soldier's boots.


8 posted on 01/24/2006 9:59:20 AM PST by Lexington Green (FOX doctored the news to satisfy a Saudi stockholder.)
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To: seanmerc

I have to agree that he is one of the few liberals simply stating what should be obvious: you cannot support the troops if you cannot support their mission.

People who claim to support the troops but denounce the war are cowards at worst or confused at best.


9 posted on 01/24/2006 9:59:29 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: seanmerc

Is he the wussy? Reading crap like this only makes me prouder for serving. He wouldn't have any idea what service was all about. Wussy.

"But it's really not that easy to say because anyone remotely affiliated with the military could easily beat me up, and I'm listed in the phone book."

What's funny is that if he thought for a second that anyone WOULD come and beat him up, he wouldn't have said it. Liberals, generally, are the worst kind of cowards.

10 posted on 01/24/2006 10:03:23 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: saveliberty

His column on Dowd was funny. She must be one humourless prig.


11 posted on 01/24/2006 10:06:49 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: seanmerc
"I know this is all easy to say for a guy who grew up with money, did well in school and hasn't so much as served on jury duty for his country. But it's really not that easy to say because anyone remotely affiliated with the military could easily beat me up, and I'm listed in the phone book."

..I'm a wuss..

12 posted on 01/24/2006 10:08:10 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: jjm2111

Yes she must be.


13 posted on 01/24/2006 10:08:34 AM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot and a new member of Sam's Club)
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To: seanmerc
Not directed at seanmerc.... I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits to do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful.

I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits volunteersto do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful.

We *are* grateful, dirtbag.

And you should be, too.

14 posted on 01/24/2006 10:09:54 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: seanmerc
No close STRIKE tag. Bad me.

Not directed at seanmerc.... I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits to do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful.

I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits volunteersto do our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful.

We *are* grateful, dirtbag.

And you should be, too.

By the way, calling him a wuss is an insult to wusses everywhere.

15 posted on 01/24/2006 10:11:09 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: seanmerc

I just finished reading the piece on Drudge's web site and had to come over here to express how outraged I am. I have absolutely had it with leftists and their pollyannish view of the world. What they fail to understand is human nature, and one undeniable truth about human nature is that bullies will be bullies until someone gives it right back to them twice as hard. I learned that little lesson in grade school, but these overprotected, facile wimps think Osama bin Laden and company will just give up their murderous ways if only we would try to understand them and be sensitive to their needs. What a load of crap!


16 posted on 01/24/2006 10:18:25 AM PST by piperpilot
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To: RexBeach
Surely, there must be something these people would fight for? What then?

The right to kill unborn babies perhaps?

17 posted on 01/24/2006 10:18:44 AM PST by WVNan
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To: RexBeach
What would these people fight for?

We already know.

Violent "resistance" at WTO meetings & Republican conventions; armed attacks on Republican campaign offices; ELF/ALF "actions"; destruction of GM seed test plots; relentless use of the judicial system to obtain 'legislation' they couldn't get legislatively enacted...the list goes on & on.

OTOH, very little of that is "for"; almost all of it is "against".

Their motto is, "Birkenstocks & tofu for all, paid for by none!"

18 posted on 01/24/2006 10:19:07 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Mad-Mo! Allah bin Satan commands ye: Bow to him 5 times/day: Head down, @ss-up, and fart at Heaven!)
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To: RexBeach

"One again, another liberal whackjob who thinks 9/11 was a made for TV movie. It didn't really happen, so why are we off killing terrorists(oops, freedom fighters) in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

As George Carlin once said;
"If crime fighters fight crime, and firefighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?"

The left is entirely correct labeling terrorists as freedom fighters.


19 posted on 01/24/2006 10:23:30 AM PST by Renderofveils ("A is for all the tea they taxed, M is for the minutemen they shellaxed...")
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To: RexBeach
I went to a writers workshop a few months ago and couldn't believe how many of them were screaming, raving liberal lunatics.

I am working on a book involving a war between the United States and an alliance between China and Mexico and you should have heard the screams this brought when I presented some of my sample chapters.

20 posted on 01/24/2006 10:28:01 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I see storms on the horizon")
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To: saveliberty

Joe Klein


Joel Stein

How to apologize to a feminist

21 posted on 01/24/2006 10:31:56 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Doh! LOL LOL LOL!


22 posted on 01/24/2006 10:37:31 AM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot and a new member of Sam's Club)
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To: seanmerc
Sometimes you get lucky and get to fight ethnic genocide in Kosovo...
And sometimes you get it wrong and get to fight Christians who are being killed by Islamofacist in KosovO and never find any real evidence of genocide by the Serbians.
23 posted on 01/24/2006 10:40:13 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I'd rather see a picture of CZJ. She's a lot easier on the eyes.


24 posted on 01/24/2006 10:50:11 AM PST by seanmerc
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To: cchandler; saveliberty; seanmerc
Agree with your comments.

I also have no problem with this guy. In fact, I appreciate his honesty. It makes for much better dialog on a difficult topic.

I don't agree with him, but I have no problem with him voicing his reasons for opposing the war in Iraq. He is being honest without being antagonistic toward the troops.

Very refreshing (and unusual) to hear this from the left.
25 posted on 01/24/2006 10:53:29 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: seanmerc

I've already written the paper.

Then I came to be certain that FReepers see this article.

Thanks for putting it up.


26 posted on 01/24/2006 10:55:56 AM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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To: StarCMC

Ping.

I'm not trying to ruin your day, but perhaps you might consider spreading this ping to a few others just so that they might see what the media is spewing out today.


27 posted on 01/24/2006 10:57:33 AM PST by Radix (Welcome home 3 ID!)
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What a steaming load. The fact that this a$$hole is writing his crap in ENGLISH speaks volumes. He willingly enjoys the benefits the military of this country has provided for him while crapping on them. If I ever EVER think about purchasing an LA Times I hope someone whacks me over the head.


28 posted on 01/24/2006 11:01:54 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: Radix; La Enchiladita; AZamericonnie; WakeUpAndVote; Darksheare; stephenjohnbanker
perhaps you might consider spreading this ping to a few others just so that they might see what the media is spewing out today

Pinged a few Radix. Ugh ugh ugh -- what trash.

29 posted on 01/24/2006 11:04:47 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: StarCMC; Radix

I met a few guys like the estreamed Mr Stein while in uniform.
They are so low that not even a mouse would whizz on them.


30 posted on 01/24/2006 11:08:44 AM PST by Darksheare (And baby says "RAAAAR!")
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

:-) Thank you


31 posted on 01/24/2006 11:13:18 AM PST by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot and a new member of Sam's Club)
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To: StarCMC
OMG.....I can't believe I just read this trash. What color is the sky in this mans world? I can't say what I really want to out of civility....
32 posted on 01/24/2006 11:23:46 AM PST by AZamericonnie (~www.ProudPatriots.org~Operation Valentine's Day~Serving those who serve us!~)
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To: seanmerc
Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there — and who might one day want to send them somewhere else. Trust me, a guy who thought 50.7% was a mandate isn't going to pick up on the subtleties of a parade for just service in an unjust war. He's going to be looking for funnel cake.

As opposed to Clinton, who thought that 43% gave him a mandate in 1992.

Ask a Democrat sometime to name the last three Democrat presidents who won with more than 51% of the popular vote. It drives them crazy. (Hint, one of them is Andrew Jackson).

33 posted on 01/24/2006 11:36:40 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: Darksheare; WakeUpAndVote

No doubt. Hey -- did you read what happened to Sarge when their plane landed in Tampa??? A total OPPOSITE of this crap.


Posting police disclaimer: I know I'm supposed to ping Old Sarge to thes thread if I talk about him, but I don't want to ping him here to read this crap, so I'll ping his brother instead.


34 posted on 01/24/2006 11:51:49 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: StarCMC; WakeUpAndVote

Good idea.
If my blood is boiling, Sarges would sublimate.


35 posted on 01/24/2006 11:53:32 AM PST by Darksheare (And baby says "RAAAAR!")
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To: seanmerc

He considers himself a "humor" columnist. Problem is, he simply is not funny. This certainly isn't... but, hey, at least he's honest.


36 posted on 01/24/2006 11:57:25 AM PST by austinTparty
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To: seanmerc
Trust me, a guy who thought 50.7% was a mandate isn't going to pick up on the subtleties of a parade for just service in an unjust war.

This is one of those people Peggy Noonan describes as "a ungrateful liberal thoughtlessly enjoying freedoms won by greater men of courage".

I bet he thought Klinton had a mandate even without ever winning 50%. And I do believe Bush crossed the %51, so his numbers are wrong anyway.

37 posted on 01/24/2006 12:01:28 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: seanmerc
There is no honesty in this turd.
But blaming the president is a little too easy. The truth is that people who pull triggers are ultimately responsible, whether they're following orders or not. An army of people making individual moral choices may be inefficient, but an army of people ignoring their morality is horrifying.

This POS is saying that those serving in Iraq are moral monsters, killing for for The Dark Side. This chickensh*t poofter doesn't have the guts to come out and say it but he really has no concern for our people. The wagging of the tongue about hospitals and returning the troops safely is just this guy's blind. Do you have concern about those you judge to be morally corrupt? This punk is a liar. He'd be happy to see our best come home in body bags and in large numbers. He thinks that would prove his moral superiority. Fug him.

38 posted on 01/24/2006 2:29:09 PM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Bush's final count was 50.73% of the popular vote. Clinton never broke 50%. In fact, the last Democrat presidential candidate to break 50% was Jimmy Carter in 1976, with a whopping 50.08% of the popular vote.

The last Democrat before Carter to get more than 50% of the popular vote was LBJ in 1964. The last Democrat before LBJ was FDR. Before FDR you have to go back to Samuel Tilden in 1876 (who lost the electoral vote to Rutherford Hayes). The last Democrat before FDR who was elected with more than 50% of the vote was Andrew Jackson in 1828.

These and other fun facts can be found in the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections.

39 posted on 01/24/2006 3:29:11 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: seanmerc
I'm not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't be celebrating people for doing something we don't think was a good idea.

And I'm not advocating that we spit on journalists either ...

40 posted on 01/24/2006 3:49:04 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: seanmerc

I respect this guy for saying what he believes. Many of his fellow democrats just won't admit it. To say you support the troops but you are against what they are doing makes no sense. How can it be reconciled in the liberal's mind?


41 posted on 01/24/2006 4:13:24 PM PST by blackdiamondracer
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To: seanmerc

Related thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1564299/posts


42 posted on 01/24/2006 5:05:02 PM PST by Checkers (Mort Kondracke: "Kennedy has been character assassinating Judicial nominees since...Haynesworth.")
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To: StarCMC

Okay Star......pass the Maalox... : )


43 posted on 01/24/2006 5:59:13 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Hey there's a thought. Maybe the author is just REEEEALLY constipated a needs some EXLAX!! He he he!


44 posted on 01/24/2006 6:07:10 PM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: seanmerc

Unlike most liberals, this one is at least coherent when it comes to expressing his view of the military.


45 posted on 01/24/2006 6:43:30 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: seanmerc; All
Listen, please, I beg you people..don't give this guy the response he wants. If you take the time, please read the story on Drudge's page about the new literary fraud. Facinating story...but it comes down to the same thing. Some writers will do anything for attention. And negative attention is sometimes even better for some.

If you click on Stein's bio he admits it. He'll do anything for attention. I've seen this guy on VH-1 shows when the do little commentaries .... and I never knew who he was. Well, now I do. He's just a writer trying to get a name for himself. If you start writing letters, and making a big deal about this, YOU'RE ONLY GIVING HIM THE PUBLICITY HE CRAVES. You're falling into his trap. LET IT GO. People will read this...it's not going to change any minds or hearts. If we let it stand as it is, a pathetic grasp for attention, then he just looks stupid. If you insist on making an big deal of it, just frame it that way, that this is how liberals feel they need to get attention...always negative. But in my so ever humble opinion, don't give this guy any more attention than he's already gotten.

46 posted on 01/25/2006 5:05:40 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy

You're right. Don't give the narcissistic prick the attention he craves. He wants you to notice him, he wants to be considered cute and coy, when all he'll achieve in the long run is to embarrass himself into obscurity.


47 posted on 01/25/2006 5:13:41 AM PST by Toadman
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To: Toadman

bingo....click on his bio...HE ADMITS IT. If you turn on any of those E entertainment show...like the 50 best bodies in Show biz...or Back to the '70's...he's always a commentator. I never knew where they got these people...now I know...they line up at the door because the CRAVE ATTENTION. They think they're funny and insightful...and sometimes they are...but this time... Nope.


48 posted on 01/25/2006 5:23:37 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

I'm not just any wuss. I'm an elitist enlightened metrosexual pantywaisted wuss.......Myles Crain (from Frazier) is my idol........

49 posted on 01/25/2006 5:56:05 AM PST by OB1kNOb (.....And you KNOW what I'm talkin' 'bout !!! - Hitlery)
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To: seanmerc

Personally, i hope more liberals who in their heart of hearts believes like this guy does, will have the guts to say so. It will only help our side, so to speak.


50 posted on 01/25/2006 6:00:10 AM PST by bella1
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