Don't Ask, Don't Tell: Military Discharges Hundreds

ClickonDetroit ^ | January 25, 2006 | AP

[WV Mountain Mama]

I played women's basketball in college and there were a few lesbians on the team. It is VERY gross to be ogled in a shower by someone, let alone a homosexual, I know this from experience. At practice we were all fine, but if we all ate at dinner, there were 2 different tables, and the groups didn't socialize together either. 2 lesbians would terrorize freshman on road trips when we had to share rooms. If you don't think that is bad for morale, then I have some real nice property in the ninth ward New Orleans to sell ya.

It didn't affect judgement during a game, but in a war, the stakes are much higher...

[Fresh Wind]

Another point is, if someone who desired us straight guys in a sexual manner could sleep in the same berthing with us, how come we non-homosexuals could not sleep in the women's berthing?

I guess the PC solution is to give everyone a private stateroom!

[brwnsuga]

You say your husband disagrees. You imply he is insecure in his masculinity. You really think that?

Please, don't insult my husband because you disagree with me. I am only stating my opinion.

[exnavy]

It probably doesn't mean much to you, and you probably will not agree with this either, but putting women in combat troops, or in front line capacities at all is wrong and should not be happening, in my opinion.

[Quilla]

With so many ex-military and family members of military on this thread, it seems like a great venue to thank you all for your service and our freedoms. Thank you.

[exnavy]

TMI

[brwnsuga]

how come we non-homosexuals could not sleep in the women's berthing?


LoL, I've seen some of these women who wear their keys on the outside of their utilities, not pretty.

[brwnsuga]

so can we all come over and ogle you undressing?

Let me lose those last stubborn 10 lbs.

[Galveston Grl]

They are allowed to serve as long as they don't bother people with their sexual problem at work. Who cares what they do in their private life. Don't bother military with it, or you have a problem.

Plus, your statment taht there is no problem does not match what i have learned from other military guys. They take expection to a flamer who finds it necessary to bother them with their sexuality - like staring and flirting with them. As long as they don't mess with others, no one cares. But mess with others and it makes for a problem. Normal reaction of men.

[dpa5923]

Cute, but dishonest.

[grobdriver]

These are your words: "Maybe it is a man thing. Because if you are secure in your masculinity, why is it so threatening to be ogled by another dude? Its not going to cause you to turn (like some kind of vampire)".

Now, you say your husband disagrees with you. So you might as well direct this question to him.
I don't insult your husband - I honor him and his service.
You are welcome to your opinion, however inexperienced and heretofore uninformed it may be.
Perhaps you will take this opportunity to reevaluate your opinion in light of new information from those who have been there, done that - regardless of how that information may conflict with your feelings.

[brwnsuga]

You are about as conservative as a San Fran Fruitcake


Not on this issue perhaps. But I'm pro-life, pro-gun rights, for prayer in school and school vouchers, against homo-sexual marriage and have voted Republican or the last 4 elections. I just don't see where sexuality matters with job performance. There are plenty of scandalous heterosexuals out there.

[mouser]

It is not just having to take a shower with someone who finds you a sexually attractive its also worries about some of the diseases which goes along with the gay lifestyle. Would you want the medic taking care of your wound to have aids or any of the other less threatening diseases. Then there is the cost to the taxpayers to take care of them when they have these diseases.

[ExpatGator]

Thanks for having a sense of humor and looking at the issue fairly. We service folks are not attacking you, for you are in an important support role as a military spouse. We are just sharing our opinions in a forceful manner. Our services mean a lot to us and we want what is best for it.

I have had lots of acquaintances and even a few friends who played for the other team (with the lavender uniform). I wish them the best, but have seen and experienced the predatory nature of their chosen sexuality. They have no place in the military. It is incompatible with military service.

[brwnsuga]

TMI

Yes, I know.

[exnavy]

I just want to say, I respect your differing opinion and your right to express it.

[Lucky Dog]

The term “sexual orientation” is frequently misused and abused intentionally to cloud arguments against homosexuality. The term “sexual orientation” refers to internal emotions or how some one “feels” toward members of the same sex versus members of the opposite sex. The point is, simply, that no one can know how another person “feels” unless that person overtly expresses, or acts on, those “feelings.”

The terms homosexuality or homosexuality are defined by actions just as are the terms “rapist,” “pedophile,” “bigamist,” etc. In other words, regardless of feelings, without a homosexual act no one is a homosexual.

The UCMJ (which is a code of law, Constitutionally enacted by Congress) prohibits actions not ”feelings”. By long standing interpretation, upheld by courts, if a military member “tells” others that he or she is a “homosexual,” military authorities are entitled to presume that the “confessor” has “acted,” or will “act,” on his or her “confession.” Therefore, it is legally permissible for military authorities to take actions that exclude from the military a person confessing to being “homosexual.” In contrast, under the UCMJ, military officials are justified in taking court martial actions against a military member against whom evidence exists that he or she has engaged in homosexual acts.

Maintaining “good order and discipline” is essential to the effectiveness, and even battlefield survival, of any military unit. Such a goal is sole purpose of the UCMJ. To advocate official disregard of “good order and discipline” through willfully refusing to enforce the provisions of the UCMJ is to advocate the destruction of military effectiveness and individual military members’ safety.

I hope this little exposition has clarified the situation for you.

[brwnsuga]

I am not just a military spouse, but OMBUDSMAN for my husband's command. But I thank you for your kind words. I have never been a follower (hence the fact that I am a Black Conservative). My mind still isn't changed about this issue, but that's okay. It a the Free Republic after all.

[William Terrell]

If women really want true equality in the military, they should be willing to go where ever they're sent.

But there is no possible way women can be "equal" in the military, unless they are filling administrative jobs.