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Thinking the Unthinkable About Iran (Excellent Summation)
The American Thinker ^ | 1/25/2006 | J.R. Dunn

Posted on 01/25/2006 6:56:43 AM PST by Dark Skies

Before the founding of the modern State of Israel, the anti-Semitic view of the historical role of the Jew was that of half-willing victim. Jews were supposed to wait patiently while the Poles, Tartars, and Cossacks threw the bones to see who got to burn down the village this time. Many of us thought this subjection ended in 1948 and would never again disgrace humanity.

Discussions surrounding the Iranian nuclear threat suggest this judgment may have been premature. Talks concerning Iranian nuclear programs between Iran on one hand and Britain, France, and Germany on the other exhibit the nature of a ritual shadow play, one that consistently overlooks what should be the most salient fact: that Israel itself possesses nuclear weapons.

You’d think this would lend some sense of urgency to efforts to defuse the crisis, but you’d be wrong. The Jews are once again expected to wait while the dice are being tossed, this time until Tel Aviv and Haifa vanish in blinding flashes of fire. Israel has a nuclear arsenal estimated at two hundred bombs. These have never been tested, but with the state of nuclear technology, that’s not a necessity. As Ted Taylor, the late senior U.S. bomb designer, once put it,

“No nuclear weapon ever designed has failed to go off.”

These bombs are evidently compact enough to be deployed on any of the fighter-bombers that comprise Israel’s Air Defense Force. A possibility also exists that Israel possesses long-range cruise missiles – the Israelis were pioneers in the field of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV’s). No nation has been more discreet in its possession of nuclear weapons than Israel, which has never acknowledged having any such weapons at all. Nor has it ever explicitly threatened any of its neighbors with the nuclear stick. Iran, on the other hand, has done little else in recent months. The behavior of the country’s rulers, both political and religious, has been such that it would cause alarm even without the nuclear capability. By now Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s new president, has become a nearly iconic figure. Each succeeding item that comes to our attention about this man makes it difficult to believe there can be anything worse to come. But there always is. Consider his membership in Pasdoran, Iran’s version of Hitler Youth, whose uniform he still occasionally wears. Consider his commitment to Mahdaviat, which Daniel Pipes translates as,

“belief in and efforts to prepare for the Mahdi.”

The Mahdi is the Twelfth Imam, supposed to return at the End of Days in the Shi’ite version of Revelations. The more fanatical “Twelvers” believe that they have a duty to create worldwide chaos to hasten the day of return.

Back in the mid-80s, it was common to come across distraught American Leftists convinced that Ronald Reagan had placed fundamentalist Christians in the Defense Department for the purpose of bringing about the Rapture. It would be nice to see something matching that level of concern today. Ahmadinejad’s commitment to Mahdaviat is easily gauged. While mayor of Tehran, he had a broad avenue built to welcome the Mahdi. As president, he began a railroad to the town of Jamarkan, where the Mahdi is alleged to be biding his time in a well awaiting the great day. He spent seventeen million for an elegant mosque in the same area. Pipes tells us Ahmadinejad also had his list of proposed cabinet members dropped into the well for the Mahdi’s approval. The story of Allah’s intervention at the UN is worth contemplating. According to Ahmadinejad,

“...I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink…. And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic.”

This is the man who repeatedly denied that the Holocaust ever occurred. Who has refused to curtail developments that can only be utilized to obtain nuclear weapons. Who has stated that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” (And not only Ahmadinejad – ex-president Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, a supposed “moderate,” used exactly the same words a few months previously.) The criteria for a preventive nuclear war have never been codified, simply because such an alternative is too ghastly to contemplate. But the possible need for such an action is in little doubt. Few would argue against the necessity of a preventive strike against a nuclear-armed Hitler. In 1948, Bertrand Russell, godfather of the peaceniks, publicly suggested such a strike against Stalin’s USSR (he went to great pains in later years to deny ever saying any such thing, but the printed record doesn’t lie). For that reason, it’s difficult to say what factors are required to justify such an action. But the case of Iran – a demonstrable record of bloodthirstiness and callousness, an expansionist messianic ideology, a foreign policy based in large part on anti-Semitism, rule by a hallucinatory fanatic, explicit threats of a nuclear first strike – pushes any conceivable envelope. Taken alone, each of these factors would be a matter of concern. Together, they make it extremely difficult to deny that Israel is being forced up against the wall. The Europeans appear proud of the fact that they’ve muddled along for two years, as if diplomacy was simply a matter of delaying the inevitable. Now, with a nearly audible sigh of relief, they have handed the matter over to the UN. The UN of the “Zionism is racism” decree. The UN that welcomed an armed Yasser Arafat. The UN that abandoned its peacekeeping posts in the Sinai in 1967 at Egyptian demand – without notifying Israel. The UN whose head a few weeks ago sat beneath a huge wall map featuring a boldly labeled ‘Palestine’ without any sign of discomfort. These are not actions designed to defuse a crisis.

An acute observer might well think that everyone involved was trying to ease the way for a strike to be carried out – by the U.S. or Israel or both. It really wouldn’t matter so long as the EU and the UN were not involved. (The French nuclear threat only highlights this point – it’s best read as a statement intended to direct Iranian intentions elsewhere.) Israel, after all, does have a history of the coup de main, the all-or-nothing strike such as occurred in 1956, 1967, and 1981. Look at the situation from Israel’s point of view to grasp how far it may be forced to go. This is the state founded in the shadow of the Holocaust, as a lifeboat for oldest surviving nation on Earth. The only people the world ever consciously tried to destroy.

To the Israelis, a hostile Middle Eastern state gaining nuclear weapons renders the level of risk effectively infinite. They will be facing not defeat, not humiliation, but effective annihilation. Under these circumstances, any level of response is justified. In the past week, two prominent Israelis, Benjamin Netanyahu and chief of staff Lieutenant General Dan Halutz, have both publicly stated that “the threat to Israel is existential.” On January 21st Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz went even further: the Iranian people face “havoc and destruction” if their government fails to stand down. They should be taken as meaning what they say.

Those words may be the only warning anyone ever gets. There was a point during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973 when it appeared that the Egyptians had broken though Israeli lines in the Sinai at the same time the Syrians were about to drive across the Golan. Although never verified, it’s been reported on some authority that Moshe Dayan placed the Israeli nuclear strike force on full alert, the planes at the ends of the runways with their engines hot, their weapons armed, ready to head for their targets.

The “go” phrase was, “The Temple has fallen for the third time.” It didn’t happen then. And I think it can taken as a given that the Temple will not fall this time either. Apart from that, everything else is up in the air. Except for the jets – and they’re always ready to go. Among many other things, J.R. Dunn was the editor of the International Military Encyclopedia for twelve years.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; axisofevil; iran; islam; israel; nuclear; wot
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1 posted on 01/25/2006 6:56:47 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

Interesting read, thanks.


2 posted on 01/25/2006 7:02:49 AM PST by ScreamingFist ( The RKBA doesn't apply if I have a bigger gun than your bodyguard. NRA)
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To: Dark Skies
I just finished reading Timmerman, Countdown to Crisis, The Coming Nuclear showdown with Iran. It is a very detailed and documented exhaustive and very up-to-date survey. Among many other things, he proves Iranian regime cooperation with and support for al Quaeda.

The messianic aspect of the president's religion is frightening. I would like to hear what the emigre population in LA is saying the plan to do.

3 posted on 01/25/2006 7:09:36 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ScreamingFist

Long range weather prospects for Iran this Spring is very, very hot!


5 posted on 01/25/2006 7:13:16 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Dark Skies

The greatest military force the world has ever known, has virtually surrounded Iran.

6 posted on 01/25/2006 7:17:21 AM PST by lormand (...the wrong person came out of the water that fateful night in Chappaquiddick)
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To: Dark Skies

We shall see how dedicated to the Masada vow of, "Never again", the Israelis really are.


7 posted on 01/25/2006 7:17:52 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Dark Skies
You really have to wonder openly whether Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a believer in a lot of the things discussed on the Coast to Coast AM radio show (heck, maybe one of this subordinates has a Streamlink account for the Coast to Coast AM website!) and is trying to fulfill the supposed prophecies of Nostradamus on his own.
8 posted on 01/25/2006 7:19:55 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Dark Skies

I say do it today


9 posted on 01/25/2006 7:30:19 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (the friend of my enemy is my enemy)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe; Homo_homini_lupus

A very good article on the current situation with Iran.


10 posted on 01/25/2006 7:42:38 AM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Dark Skies

Good article. Israel will not tip its hand, so expect the unexpected.


11 posted on 01/25/2006 7:43:35 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Buggman

Agreed. Excellent article.


12 posted on 01/25/2006 7:49:08 AM PST by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: Dark Skies
Wasn't the election a stolen one in the first place?

Thought the international community and the US should have done more to put pressure for questions regarding the Iranian election to be answered.

13 posted on 01/25/2006 7:50:25 AM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Dark Skies
a General mentioned on Fox News a week ago that our bunker busters didn't get the job done in Iraq.

From another FR thread article. Talking about Saddams bunker.
It's huge - 1,800 square metres - and was not even scratched by any of the seven bunker buster bombs, or 20 cruise missiles fired at it during the war.

According to our military, the Iranian facilities are better built than Saddams and presents a problem for us.

I guarantee you, that right now our military is figuring how to get at the Iranian bunkers since we couldn't destroy Saddams bunkers with the present Bunker Busters.

Regime change in Iran is needed. NOW!

I get suspicious of people who say they are building peaceful nuclear power plants, but work on the technology underground in reinforced concrete bunkers, spread throughout the country. -Tom

14 posted on 01/25/2006 8:07:01 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Buggman; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands
Those words may be the only warning anyone ever gets. There was a point during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973 when it appeared that the Egyptians had broken though Israeli lines in the Sinai at the same time the Syrians were about to drive across the Golan. Although never verified, it’s been reported on some authority that Moshe Dayan placed the Israeli nuclear strike force on full alert, the planes at the ends of the runways with their engines hot, their weapons armed, ready to head for their targets.

Consider everyone warned. If they're going to take you out, it is fair to take them with you.

15 posted on 01/25/2006 8:07:49 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dark Skies

"“...I was placed inside this aura. I felt it myself. I felt the atmosphere suddenly change, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, the leaders of the world did not blink…. And they were rapt. It seemed as if a hand was holding them there and had opened their eyes to receive the message from the Islamic republic.”"

Satan himself, or a spirit of mesmerism - just what Hitler had.


16 posted on 01/25/2006 8:11:26 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: Dark Skies

You’d think this would lend some sense of urgency to efforts to defuse the crisis, but you’d be wrong. The Jews are once again expected to wait while the dice are being tossed, this time until Tel Aviv and Haifa vanish in blinding flashes of fire. Israel has a nuclear arsenal estimated at two hundred bombs. These have never been tested, but with the state of nuclear technology, that’s not a necessity. As Ted Taylor, the late senior U.S. bomb designer, once put it,

“No nuclear weapon ever designed has failed to go off.”




These other countries had better watch out. Israel will nike them if they don't agree to an alternative on the part of her enemies. Israel is not going to mess around with empty words nor will they seek approval of the U.N..


17 posted on 01/25/2006 8:16:36 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Dark Skies

But how would Israeli jets get to Iran? Getting to Iraq (when they bombed Saddam's reactor in the ealry 80s) was easy--a straight flight across feckless Jordan.

Getting to Iran would require a flight across Jordan plus across US-controlled Iraq (would the US permit this?), or a long flight across the northern frontier of Saudi Arabia (would the Saudis not attempt to engage the Israelis?)


18 posted on 01/25/2006 8:17:35 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: Capt. Tom
I get suspicious of people who say they are building peaceful nuclear power plants, but work on the technology underground in reinforced concrete bunkers, spread throughout the country.

Precisely! If all they wanted was nuclear energy, why all the threats against Israel and shifty behavior with the idiots at IAEA.

They are playing a very dangerous game and stirring the pot seems to be exactly what they seek. Iran's only possible motive would appear to be forcing the return of the 12th Imam (unless, of course, they just have a death wish).

19 posted on 01/25/2006 8:18:20 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: xzins; Buggman; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands

"If they're going to take you out, it is fair to take them with you."

Only if you know where you are going and they can't go with you.


20 posted on 01/25/2006 8:19:43 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Dark Skies

More....

Plus the Israeli jets would require tanker support. Where would the large, lumbering tanker be orbiting (over Jordan, over Iraq, over Iran, over the Persian Gulf)?


21 posted on 01/25/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: Dark Skies

bump


22 posted on 01/25/2006 8:21:48 AM PST by lesser_satan
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To: blue-duncan; Buggman

Masada practice.


23 posted on 01/25/2006 8:22:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: carrier-aviator

Now there you go being logical.


24 posted on 01/25/2006 8:24:05 AM PST by MajorityOfOne
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To: Dark Skies
"...the anti-Semitic view of the historical role of the Jew was that of half-willing victim."

Those who mindlessly follow Democrat politicians and the Leftist agenda seem to be doing their best to perpetuate this "view".

25 posted on 01/25/2006 8:39:19 AM PST by Savage Beast (Women are like wine. You get what you pay for. Mine's the best. It's expensive. It's worth it.)
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To: nmh
“No nuclear weapon ever designed has failed to go off.”

I don't think that's true. I believe there were some tests that "fizzled" in Nevada back in the '50's. Failed to destroy even the tower.

26 posted on 01/25/2006 8:42:09 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: bayouranger
To the Israelis, a hostile Middle Eastern state gaining nuclear weapons renders the level of risk effectively infinite. They will be facing not defeat, not humiliation, but effective annihilation. Under these circumstances, any level of response is justified.

Worth repeating ping!

27 posted on 01/25/2006 8:43:29 AM PST by jan in Colorado (God Bless our troops and our President!)
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To: Dark Skies
I hear the morons in the MSM briefing their sheeple... “Well... it looks like Iran will get nukes... and there's nothing we can do about it(usually... a shrugg of the shoulders follows).”

If the west does nothing, Israel will strike as best they can. Odds are... it won't 'finish the matter' and Iran will rabidly attack any target within range... our troops in Iraq come to mind.

We are living very quickly now...

28 posted on 01/25/2006 8:57:39 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: johnny7
We are living very quickly now...

Yes, very...

29 posted on 01/25/2006 9:08:54 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: carrier-aviator

Getting to Iran would require a flight across Jordan plus across US-controlled Iraq (would the US permit this?), or a long flight across the northern frontier of Saudi Arabia . . .

Not necessarily. Much depends on the status of the 1998 military pact between Israel and Turkey, which, IINM, permits Israel to train Turkish airspace and use bases in Turkey. Turkey shares a border with Iran . . . .


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30 posted on 01/25/2006 9:49:39 AM PST by eddiespaghetti ( with the meatball eyes)
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To: eddiespaghetti

I would be floored if the Turks allowed the transit of Israeli jets. The Turks wouldn't allow the US Army's 4th Infantry Division to cross its turf in spring 2003 for the invasion of Iraq. I can't imagine they'd allow Israeli jets to transit on their way to bombing nuclear facilities in Iran (though I'd be quite pleased if they did).


31 posted on 01/25/2006 10:15:09 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

To answer your post #18. Do you think that President Bush would order American forces to SHOOT DOWN Israeli aircraft en route to Iran? I don't.


32 posted on 01/25/2006 10:23:14 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Dark Skies
If you crack the Israeli code it will probably read like this:

Distance between Tel Aviv, Israel and Tehran, Iran, as the crow flies: 988 miles (1590 km) (858 nautical miles)

Initial heading from Tel Aviv to Tehran: east-northeast (70.4 degrees)

Massada must not fall again. - Tom

33 posted on 01/25/2006 10:24:12 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

No, I don't think he would. But he'd have some "splainin" to do thereafter. He would have two choices:
(1) Say that our air defense radar in Iraq didn't detect the Israeli jets (bringing cries from the Dems about the billions spent on a military that can't detect univited warplanes over territory we control), or (2) Admit to the vaunted UN, Eurotrash peaceniks, the head-in-the-sand EU, and the Arab street (yes I know Persians are not Arabs) why we turned a blind-eye to the flyover. If he opts for number two, he might as well use US forces to do the bombing.


34 posted on 01/25/2006 10:29:05 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

"would the US permit this?"

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Yep.


35 posted on 01/25/2006 10:35:50 AM PST by Harrius Magnus (Enemy #1 = The Leftist holy trinity of multiculturalism, moral equivalence and relativism.)
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To: Baynative

" Cindy Sheehan and the Hollywood peace crowd planning a demonstration/"

If they demonstrate on this, it will be cheerleading. Finally, a check on untrammelled US power and aggression!


36 posted on 01/25/2006 10:39:25 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"We shall see how dedicated to the Masada vow of, "Never again", the Israelis really are."

If they haven't proved it to you by now, they never will.


37 posted on 01/25/2006 10:40:52 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr

Militarily, I have no doubt of their capabilities. However, politically, they leave something to be desired and the final decision to use the nules will be political.


38 posted on 01/25/2006 10:42:33 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: carrier-aviator

"He would have two choices:"

How about admitting the planes were detected and saying we were "taken by surprise" and "not sure what to do"? No one expects us to shoot down Israeli planes on their way to Iran.


39 posted on 01/25/2006 10:43:22 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: xzins

"There was a point during the Yom Kippur War of October 1973 when it appeared that the Egyptians had broken though Israeli lines in the Sinai at the same time the Syrians were about to drive across the Golan. Although never verified, it’s been reported on some authority that Moshe Dayan placed the Israeli nuclear strike force on full alert, the planes at the ends of the runways with their engines hot, their weapons armed, ready to head for their targets."

This partially correlates with the analysis of Walter J. Boyne in the book, The Yom Kippur War, and the Airlift that saved Israel, pub. 2002. As he explains it, though, there was no Egyptian side to the threat, which also correlates with other things I've read. Though the Egyptians broke through very strong in the Sinai, they then halted and dug in.

The Syrians on the other hand, did seem poised to break through with their tanks in the Golan. The generally accepted story is that extremely heroic actions by a small group of Israeli tanks stopped the Syrian advance at a crucial point.

Boyne, however, a retired U. S. Air Force colonel, has carefully analyzed the battle and come up with the conclusion that this storyline is, in fact, impossible. He simply believes the number of Israeli tanks in the area was way too small to stop the strong Syrian advance that was in progress. He has come to the conclusion that the Syrian advance was stopped by an explicit, albeit discrete, threat from the Israeli government to obliterate Damascus with nuclear weapons. All his evidence for this however is indirect, as I have stated above. He simply cannot conceive of any other explanation for what happened.

I can say that the book appears to be well researched, well-written, and intelligently expressed. However, I don't have any other information.


40 posted on 01/25/2006 10:56:12 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr

I can see Israel delivering such a back-channel maessage.


41 posted on 01/25/2006 11:00:24 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Capt. Tom

An Iranian nuke fired against Isreal is counter-productive.

To begin with, any destruction of Isreal is bound to result in the destruction of the "Palestinian Authority" that all Muslim countries have championed for 60 years. It would kill far more Muslims than it would Jews. It would demonstrate, once and for all, that the Muslim solidarity behind support for the Palestinians was always rhetoric.

The blast, and the fallout, would pollute or destroy Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Turkey virtually forever. Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and parts of Iran itself would also be contaminated, if not destroyed. Great way to maintain good relations with your Islamic brothers.

Teh resulting devestation and fallout would shut down a signifigant portion of the world's oil production, wrecking every economy on the planet, but hurting the Muslims the most. Iran cannot continue to prop up it's Fundamentalist Potemkin village with oil revenues. It will be ripe for conquest or internal revolution without them.

No, Iran is not seeking nukes to wipe Isreal off the map, even if that is the stated goal. The real goal is to create a new center of Islamic power. The choice used to be between Saddam and the Ayatollahs. The list just got shorter. What the mullah-cracy intends to do with it's new-found influence and power is harder to discern.

With the Iranians boxed in between United States forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Russians to the north, Chinese to the East and India to the south(all non-Islamic, nuclear powers with much greater conventional military strength than the Iranians), the threat of nulear annhilation is the only weapon that might actually guarentee Iranian security while they create their new, Islamic Reich.


42 posted on 01/25/2006 11:01:12 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Harrius Magnus

Doubtful W will really tour Pakinstan in March as announced.


43 posted on 01/25/2006 11:01:14 AM PST by txhurl (Gingrich/North '08)
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To: xzins

"I can see Israel delivering such a back-channel maessage."

Yep.


44 posted on 01/25/2006 11:11:20 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: strategofr

The Dems would cry and crow: "Be should have had a plan" (for unauthorized airspace incursions). Remember John Swiftboat Kerry in 2004--every word out of his mouth was "Bush had no plan." The Dems love plans. They just don't like action.


45 posted on 01/25/2006 11:12:54 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator
Here is what the "splainin" should consist of:

Sorry, the "splainin" is obvious. I would start by saying that Iran has been at war with the US since 1979 (remember the hostages?). They have engaged in various acts of war against the US since then. Besides that, who does the US have to explain things to? The Russians? The Chinese? The French? Even the French have threatened Iran with nuclear retaliation.

Your second point, I think the US should participate or be the lead in this operation.

It's nice to debate these points and ask questions of each other, but events are proceeding rapidly and I think all these questions will be moot in about 60 days.

46 posted on 01/25/2006 11:13:57 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Back in 2004 I convinced myself that the West (to include Russia) was going to attack Iran in mid-November 2004, having waited til the US presidential election was over. Of course, that didn't happen.

I applaud the recent French bellicosity. Now we just need to sit back and let the Israelis do it, or the West needs to get serious.


47 posted on 01/25/2006 11:16:58 AM PST by carrier-aviator
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To: carrier-aviator

"The Dems would cry and crow: "Be should have had a plan" "

Let 'em cry. Doesn't guarantee political victory. There is a limit to how much the Democrats will be able to complain about allowing the Israelis to take out the Iranian nukes.


48 posted on 01/25/2006 11:22:47 AM PST by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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To: eddiespaghetti; carrier-aviator
Makes one wonder what Porter Goss had to say during his recent visit to Turkey.

Speculation he was talking about use of Turkey's US base for airstrikes against Iran. Could it be possible that he was asking Turkey to permit Israel to use it?

The referral to the UN and the Security Council is a necessary charade. No sane person thinks that will have any real effect on Iran.

I am confident there will be a strike if no one puts a bullet in Adminijad's (whatever) head in the next two or three months. The question is US alone, Israel alone, or a joint strike?

Final question; are there others that might join in the strike?

49 posted on 01/25/2006 11:32:11 AM PST by HardStarboard
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I believe this idiot president in Iran is looking to meet the Devil sooner rather than later.

He is certifiably NUTS and wants to take the rest of the world with him.

Israel will probably take out this nuclear threat and the sooner the better as far as I am concerned.
50 posted on 01/25/2006 11:51:38 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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