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Mexico issues border ban
MySA.com ^ | 01/25/2006 | Mariano Castillo

Posted on 01/25/2006 7:28:47 AM PST by Boston Blackie

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To: sheana

Patience. Hell. I wanna see some serious action NOW!

It is time for our President to do his job!

RamS


51 posted on 01/25/2006 9:51:15 AM PST by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: Boston Blackie

"It wan't us, and we won't do it again."


52 posted on 01/25/2006 9:54:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: spectre
"Don't worry Vincente, I understand your military is underpaid,

and has to earn a little extra on the side."


53 posted on 01/25/2006 9:56:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: RamingtonStall
"It is time for our President to do his job!"


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


54 posted on 01/25/2006 9:58:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Whosays; Boston Blackie
If I may:

When the Mexican drug cartels took over from the Colombians the first thing they did was use their vast monetary resources and utterly ruthless tactics to compromise almost all civilian, police and military officials all across Northern Mexico (and a good many just on the other side). That money and aggression also allowed them to purchase state-of-the-art communications, vehicles, weaponry and their pick of the best/worst of the Mexican Army's soldiers.

Those former soldiers are called Zetas, often led by men who were trained at our own School of the Americas in high military skills and tactics back in much friendlier times. Now those skills and that superior gear is used against our inadequate border patrol on a regular basis in order to get drugs and humans smuggled into the US interior.

Their scouts learn the Border Patrol's patterns and use commo to coordinate movement - usually so successfully that the BP had no idea they went through until seeing the tracks long after the incursion. Political pressure from the upper leadership has made it plain to the BP on the ground that they don't want to hear about it or see them cited as press report sources.

The US civilians who happen to live in the path of the incursions are either in on it through money or intimidation or powerless while their pleas for help go unanswered by the state and Federal governments that are charged to protect them. Their plight motivated private individuals to form organized groups that patrolled public and private lands (with the owners' permission), reporting the incursions of illegal aliens and the cartels' missions to the Border Patrol. These volunteer groups eventually gave rise to the Minuteman Movement our President likened to vigilantes.

The US House of Representatives passed a very strong package of measures to finally address these ongoing problems. OUR problem is that the Senate, the Administration and the Chamber of Commerce is striving to reduce the enforcement parts of it while adding a guest worker (amnesty) clause before it comes up for final vote next month.

55 posted on 01/25/2006 9:58:17 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Get new and improved 'Alien-B-Gone' ...pressure your Senators to pass the House Immigration Bill.)
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To: Boston Blackie


"Orders? We don't obey no stinkin' orders!"
56 posted on 01/25/2006 10:00:31 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: planekT
And here's a troubling reminder that Gov. Rick Perry said that building a fence along the border "is a silly idea."

According to Perry, fences serve no purpose, so I have to wonder if a mob of people pulling down the fence that surrounds the Governor's mansion would be labeled a 'silly idea'.

57 posted on 01/25/2006 10:12:26 AM PST by MamaTexan ( A well-reared child is a gift to the world :)
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To: Serenissima Venezia
Anytime I get a request for RNC money, it'd be great to have one to enclose.

Some creative FReeper made 'Bush Bucks', a simulated monetary bill that had a picture of Bush in a sombrero.

He/she sent it in every RNC donation return envelope received.

Can any helpful FReepers out there post it?

58 posted on 01/25/2006 10:16:59 AM PST by MamaTexan ( A well-reared child is a gift to the world :)
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To: MamaTexan

J.D. Hayworth for President in 2008!


59 posted on 01/25/2006 10:20:12 AM PST by princess leah
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To: Itzlzha

Why was the Mexican military concerned with this particular operation? Did any of our people have a radiation detector? Sounds bigger than MJ to me - sounds like WMD!


60 posted on 01/25/2006 10:27:59 AM PST by satan
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To: MamaTexan


"According to Perry, fences serve no purpose, so I have to wonder if a mob of people pulling down the fence that surrounds the Governor's mansion would be labeled a 'silly idea'."

Oooh, I like that one MamaTexan. Tear down his fence and then have somebody run in and mess up his hair. That'll really get his attention. :-)



61 posted on 01/25/2006 10:28:52 AM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: spectre
Bush to Fox.."Hello Vincente, we have a problem, my friend".

Naa bush will try to sweep this under the rug he has been at his weakest when dealing with government bloat, terrible trade policies, and the border..

62 posted on 01/25/2006 10:32:34 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: loreldan
Cops with hand / shot guns against HV's with mounted machine guns.. Cant say I fault the cops all that much for not starting a fire fight..
63 posted on 01/25/2006 10:33:28 AM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Itzlzha

Also take note which flag is first. Theirs of course.


64 posted on 01/25/2006 12:03:54 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: loreldan

'Cause our side was heavily outgunned - cops vs. .50 cals. VERY bad scene if M-2s opened up.


65 posted on 01/25/2006 12:05:48 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


66 posted on 01/25/2006 12:11:49 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: OKIEDOC

"A very corrupt country. "

Yes, the US has become a very corrupt country.


67 posted on 01/25/2006 1:23:27 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: AmericanDave

Do we have fire authorization? :P


68 posted on 01/25/2006 1:37:36 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Whosays
Thank you for your service, Whosays - I very much appreciate your honor and duty to this country. My home.

What is most scary is that the head of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, is happy to brush this all off as 'mistakes', and misdirection - much as anything immigration related is these days. But here we have documented, photographed evidence of Mexican Army IN THE U.S., and yet nothing is done. I'm actually shocked that Fox issued this proclaimer, because HE ADMITTED IT! :D He who blinks first, you know.

All I can do is try to make sure my friends in Texas, and all along the Southern Border are armed. These weren't 216 (incursions in the last year) accidents. :P
69 posted on 01/25/2006 1:41:47 PM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Logical me

Naaa,

Let the bones bleach in the sun. Better deturrent.


70 posted on 01/25/2006 2:54:14 PM PST by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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bttt


71 posted on 01/25/2006 3:06:53 PM PST by Pa' fuera (I support family reunification.......through deportation)
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To: loreldan

"Why didn't we shoot?"

One thing Texans remember about the Alamo is that when the other side has more than ten times the firepower that you have that the home field advantage don't mean squat. Better to wait for a chance to replay San Jancinto than hurry and replay the Alamo.


72 posted on 01/25/2006 3:11:58 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Tammy8

If someone has photos, might it be possible to smuggle some out and post them here?

It's probably safe to assume that our Gov't does NOT want any getting out to the public - so let's get as many as we can out here, and then e-mail 'em all over the Country.

It would appear that Mexican drug money has found it's way into both American political parties, all the way to the top; I can't think of any other reason why our own government takes such an active role in repressing enforcement of our border integrity.

The MM "Vigalantes" may be the only ones who can do anything about it, but since the BP is obviously overwhelmingly outgunned and sympathetic Americans, for the most part, are not allowed to own any sort of weaponry matching what these Mexican military units have, then the MM are pretty limited as to what they can do.

It's pretty doubtful that the Gov.s would put out the NG; the "Posse Commitatus Act" might well be an issue too.
And it would be suicidal for BP, Police, or MM to initiate a confrontation with Trained and heavily armed Zetas.

It's probably quite fortunate that the invaders didn't just mow down all of the BP and backup Officers on general principles, as it is highly doubtful that any of them would be held accountable for such a massacre.

So while our brave Warriors struggle in the ME to defeat terrorism abroad, our illustrious "leaders" leave the back door in our SW pretty much wide open for whoever and whatever to pour in by the truckload.

IMHO, recent initiatives towards "border security" are, for the most part, only for show in response to contributions going down.

But this recent incident demonstrates about how seriously management really takes the issue.


73 posted on 01/25/2006 9:58:55 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (Club Freedom; Dues: Vigilance.)
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To: Whosays

Ashcroft?


74 posted on 01/25/2006 10:06:54 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: MamaTexan

Here ya go MamaTexan.

/jasper

75 posted on 01/25/2006 10:16:06 PM PST by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: spectre

And if it were ME:

"Vicente, I'm only gonna say this once. Anyone, ANYONE, in a Mexican Army uniform that crosses my border will be shot, in the nuts, repeatedly, with an automatic weapon of my soldier's choosing, until they bleed to death.

Catch you later! Don't forget to watch American Idol tonight."


76 posted on 01/25/2006 10:18:56 PM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: Uncle Jaque

The photos and videos that I know about, were taken by BP and LE officers and as far as I know none have made it to the media. BP and LE officers have only recently started giving tips and stories to the media. I would not be surprised if they don't also find a way to slip the media copies of reports, photos and tape soon. For so long they have kept their mouths shut because they were told to. Now they realize they have been hung out to dry by the politicians and they are desperate to get attention so policies will be changed.

I have also been told by some BP officers that most of the time when they do give tips to the media, local media will have a short story that is not picked up nationally, and some in the media are not interested at all because it is not in line with their own agenda.


77 posted on 01/25/2006 10:38:52 PM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Actually, it's important that BY THIS FRIDAY, 01/27/06, people contact Senator Bill Frist's offices to express DISAGREEMENT WITH 'AMNESTY' included in GUEST WORKER PROGRAM plans becuase this Friday is the date that they're considering placing "amnesty" into the legislation in the Senate that the House has sent to them...AND, Frist and Republicans are supposedly all grouping for purposes of SUPPORTING "amnesty" be written into a guest worker program plan. If you OPPOSE that, and more, call Frist's offices before Friday, 01/37/06. Here's what I wrote on another thread:

Senate vote on H.R. 4437 on Friday, 01/27/06...

Urge Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) to use his leadership power by opposing Senate passage of a guest worker amnesty. Call Senator Frist and express your opinion: Senator Frist's Nashville office (615-352-9411) and D.C. office (202-224-3135) offices by Friday.

From the FAIR website, there is this:

The second session of the 109th Congress is poised to renew debate on controlling the borders and bringing an end to illegal immigration. As most of you already know, the House passed a bill in mid December that purports to get tough on illegal immigration without adding any guest worker or amnesty provisions. This much is satisfying, but the House bill could and should have been stronger. Only the TRUE Enforcement and Border Control Act, H.R. 4313, aims directly at the root incentives that drive illegal immigration and mirrors what the public is demanding.

Read FAIR's exclusive analysis of the major immigration legislation pending in Congress, updated January 2006 (PDF)

Many of these incentives are ignored in the House-passed Border Protection, Anti Terrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act, H.R. 4437. For example, this bill conveniently ignores any requirement for employers to dismiss their illegal alien employees even after they have been shown to be unauthorized to work in the United States following mandatory verification.

The bill also fails to:

--Construct a contiguous fence along the southern border; --Authorize sufficient personnel at DHS to enforce our immigration laws; --Protect the integrity of the social security card; --Protect the integrity of birth certificates; --Reduce the number of documents usable for worksite verification; --Suspend the visa waiver program; --Restrict birthright citizenship; --Restrict the use of ITINs; --Require additional detention space for illegal aliens --Stop the granting of mortgages to illegal aliens; --Stop the business tax deductions employers take for their illegal employees; --Stop claims by illegal aliens for the earned income tax credit.

These failures are remedied in the TRUE Enforcement Act and all of them, if left unchecked, will leave in place an environment where illegal aliens may continue to live without inconvenience and nearly invisible to law enforcement.

78 posted on 01/26/2006 12:01:51 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: NewRomeTacitus

You just (als) described conditions in Afghanistan.


79 posted on 01/26/2006 12:04:19 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: B4Ranch

All the aztlan demonstrators I see with flag sign protestations almost always depict the Ameican flag UPSIDE DOWN, either that or with a giant red fist imprinted over it AND then upside down.

Aztlan is a paramilitary organization, in my view. It and LaRaza, another one related/aligned, are allowed by the University of California to organize on campuses, which I consider highly objectionable. At least, last time I checked, but perhaps the UofC has come to it's senses since then (I'm not holding my breath).


80 posted on 01/26/2006 12:08:32 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: sheana
The Mexican government doesn't have to explain anything thanks to ALL our politicians. Our elected officials care much more for people from foreign countries than they do their own citizens. We are nothing but a means to an end....their reelections.

I'll explain it in two words

MOTOR VOTER!

If an illegal can get good enough I D to get a drivers license {available for under $500} then they are also enfranchised to vote. There are now enough illegal votes in this county to sway any federal election in any federal district. For law reenforcement to clear up this mess would make every lawyer in this nation as rich and as powerful as a Kennedy.

81 posted on 01/26/2006 12:21:21 AM PST by fella ("(News) should be the maximum of information & minimum of comment." - Cobden)
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To: Boston Blackie
"A day after as many as 20 armed men in military fatigues crossed the Rio Grande into Texas before being chased back by U.S. authorities, the Mexican government ordered its troops not to come within 2 kilometers of the border."

Good! Now we need to issue a shot first ask questions later order for anyone in Mexican uniforms on our side.
82 posted on 01/26/2006 12:39:05 AM PST by Razz Barry
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To: Boston Blackie

Things that make me sick:

The mexican government.

People that wave the mexican flag in America.

And our support of the mexican government through our half-ass enforcement of illegal immigration. It's like throwing money in the fire.

It's like being in the cold war with Russia, but giving Russia money for their government. Communism stinks, and so does corruption.


83 posted on 01/26/2006 12:47:25 AM PST by Rick_Michael
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To: Boston Blackie
I am so sick of this crap......I tell ya....I want WALLS......big, big walls....

having said that, I welcome duly registered immigrants to this country....anytime.....

84 posted on 01/26/2006 12:55:01 AM PST by cherry
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To: Travis McGee

"We have a reponsibility as the U.S. Government to police our borders and we are doing the best we can." -- Alberto Gonzalez.


"It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary."

"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" -- Winston Churchill


85 posted on 01/26/2006 1:00:02 AM PST by DakotaRed
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To: MillerCreek
I'll be there if possible for the vigil (as I live in Nashville), though that sort of protest is too Liberal/passive for my tastes. Only Ghandi got away with that crap because he had the power of his personality and his publics buying into it enough to sell it at the right time in history.

Torch and Pitchfork sales would be more effective except...Frist won't be there to care about it. He has local staff paid to mouth appeasements while he's safely ensconced in D.C. trying to work a upcoming sneak amnesty into the Senate immigration bill for his high-dollar buds. As a lame-duck Senator who happens to be the Majority Leader he has tremendous potential for damage. Frist is the epitome of elitist and has nothing to fear from repercussions.

He's going to use his position to push Bush's amnesty crap though the Senate while diluting the enforcement measures bravely passed by the House. If this washes we might well see John McCain as our next President.

Just what America needs - a literal Manchurian Candidate.
86 posted on 01/26/2006 1:07:14 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Get new and improved 'Alien-B-Gone' ...pressure your Senators to pass the House Immigration Bill.)
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To: AmericanDave

… the Mexican government ordered its troops not to come within 2 kilometers of the border.

I think they mean the Canadian border.


87 posted on 01/26/2006 1:15:11 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Merry Christmas!)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I didn't call his office (Frist's) as a form of protest but to vocalize my opinion. I stated I am a Republican who would like to express my opinion and they sent me through to voicemail and a recording option, which I used for that purpose (to express my opinion).

It occured to me later that it would be very simple to just ignore public opinion left for many politicians -- I find myself thinking that often because I have two Democrat Senators in the state where I vote and I often write opinions to them that they later vote opposite to and then they write me lettes denouncing my opinions so I wonder what the point ever is as to letting them know what you think as a voter -- and I also wondered if but what Frist will just, literally, "erase" what opposition opinion is communicated, but, to my view, I do it so as to exercise my own conscience, not to protest.

I can at least know I said what I believe and let them know I don't support what they're intending. If they pass this "guest worker" with "amnesty" stuff (both actions I oppose), then, well, all I can do is vote accordingly.

I don't have a lot of confidence, as a Republican, in Frist. At least he's not Dianne Feinstein, let me put it that way. But Frist is going to do what President Bush wants him to do and the problem undoubtedly rests there.

About these issues, I completely oppose this tact by current Republicans to create "guest worker" programs and to implement "amnesty." I also disagree with their neglect of our borders, particulary the Southern one.

I'm not in office, however, and all I can do is express my opinion and try to vote for those who best reflect what my opinions are, later. I still support the Bush Administration but the illegal alien and guest worker problems are the most objectionable things, in my experience, since, well, since...Clinton in the White House.


88 posted on 01/26/2006 1:42:57 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: NewRomeTacitus

It's very disappointing, as to Senate Republicans, on these issues of illegal aliens, I agree. My local Congressman, after gaining election, announced he was "for a guest worker program" and as a Republican, had not included that in his campaign literature. I have to admit this, I felt ripped off.


89 posted on 01/26/2006 1:45:48 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: Jasper; Serenissima Venezia
Here ya go MamaTexan.

Thank you so VERY much, Jasper!

---------------------

Serenissima, check out Jaspers post #75 and send a few of THOSE in you next RNC donation envelope!

ROFL!

90 posted on 01/26/2006 7:14:21 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am *NOT a 'legal entity' .... nor am I a ~person~ as created by law!)
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To: Boston Blackie
A day after as many as 20 armed men in military fatigues crossed the Rio Grande into Texas before being chased back by U.S. authorities, the Mexican government ordered its troops not to come within 2 kilometers of the border.

I think this means we are going to start shooting. At least I hope so.

91 posted on 01/26/2006 7:17:31 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: MamaTexan

Perfect. Saved and ready to print!

thx


92 posted on 01/26/2006 8:08:13 AM PST by Serenissima Venezia (Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than all of my guns put together.)
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To: MillerCreek

Have you ever seen the old movie "Johnny Dangerously"? One scene had Danny DeVito as a lobbyist type making a game show-like presentation to a crusading district attorney who was stepping on too many toes.

"It's time to...Play Ball! You and the Misses could enjoy an all-expenses-paid world cruise...or you can sleep with the fishes."

That's pretty much what happens to all the nice Jimmy Stewarts we send up there. Those who've already amassed a fortune before running (like Frist) are motivated by ego or the chance to work the system from within for the benefit of people like himself at the expense of people like yourself.

It doesn't help that their unlimited resources edge "Jimmy Stewart" out of the running when he musters up enough courage to seek office. McCain's (there he is again) finance reform law didn't do a thing to help common citizens compete against that.

If you rounded up any random grouping of elected Senators or Representatives for jury duty almost all of them would be dismissed on the grounds that they don't qualify as "peers".


93 posted on 01/26/2006 9:58:20 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Get new and improved 'Alien-B-Gone' ...pressure your Senators to pass the House Immigration Bill.)
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To: DakotaRed
"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" -- Winston Churchill

Wow! If only our President would read the Book by Winston Churchill now that he is finished reading about Chairman Mao's life.

Alberto Gonzalez needs to recognize that nothing less than 100% success is acceptable.

RamS
94 posted on 01/26/2006 10:56:22 AM PST by RamingtonStall (More Guns ==> Less Crime! Get your CHL today! http://www.ohioccw.org/)
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To: HiJinx

Sounds like that is permission for us to blow away drug runners on the border with rockets! :)


95 posted on 01/26/2006 12:23:24 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: cherry

All we realy need is the Texas Rangers on the border and the go ahead to enforce our laws!


96 posted on 01/27/2006 9:00:37 AM PST by AmericanDave (More COWBELL....................)
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