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Ahmadinejad Awaits the Hidden Imam (Interesting perpective!)
The American Thinker ^ | 1/25/2006 | John Swails

Posted on 01/25/2006 12:16:35 PM PST by Dark Skies

At the end of his speech at the United Nations in the fall of 2005, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made an invocation to Allah to bring about the speedy reappearance of the Hidden Imam.

The media and, sad to say, many academic persons were at a loss to explain this eschatological reference. The situation was complicated by later interviews in which Ahmadinejad reported that many of his co-religionists claimed that while he was making those remarks, they could see about him an aura of light. He recalled that he too was aware of a celestial light at that time. He also pointed to the fact that the “leaders of the world” were watching him at that time with a fixed gaze, apparently unable to look away.

The immediate question: who is this Hidden Imam to whom he referred?

The American media, whose talking heads appear so authoritative on every subject, had no immediate answer. Many of these same pundits watched in February, 1979, as over two million lined the road leading from Mehrebad airport into Tehran during the return of the Ayatollah Khomeini, chanting “al-Muntazar.”

Khomeini immediately explained in a series of speeches that he was not al-Muntazar, one of the designations of the Hidden Imam, but that he had come to prepare the way for his appearance. In fact, Article Five of the constitution for the Islamic Republic of Iran, promulgated that same year, 1979, proclaimed that the basis for the constitution and its government was the authority of the Hidden Imam.

Moreover, the constitution promised that it would dissolve in his favor, following the Hidden Imam’s re-appearance.

The IRI (Islamic Republic of Iran) is, in actuality, an eschatological construct based on a messianic figure known as the Hidden Imam. With the ongoing pronouncements about the destruction of Israel and the war against the United States, all in the name of the Hidden Imam, it suddenly seems more important to know something about this whole concept.

To begin our overview of the theology behind the Hidden Imam, we have to recognize that the umma, the worldwide body of Muslims, is divided into two main sects, the Sunni and the Shi’a. The roots of this division go back to the period directly following the death of Muhammad and the conflict over who should be his successor, or caliph. The Sunni basically accept all the caliphs who have ruled as legitimate, no matter their genealogy, how they achieved the office, or how good a Muslim they were.

The Shi’a differ. They posit that the true successor to Muhammad has to be a descendant of the cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet, an enormously important figure known to all Muslims, Ali. As a result, they are called the shiatu-Ali, or the “party of Ali.”

To complicate things further, the Shi’a are further subdivided into three main groups.

These three groups are known by the number of Imams they accept. In the case of the Shi’a, the word for the designated prayer leader—imam with a lower case “i”— is also used to designate the descendants of Ali who were legitimate successors to Muhammad. Of course these select successors are marked with the capital letter: Imams.

This, the group of Shi’a which accepts four Imams is called the “Fourers” or “Zaydis” after the fourth Imam in their listing. The “Seveners” or “Ismailis” are known as such for the same reason. The “Twelvers” are the group which constitutes over 90% of the population of Iran and around 60% of the population of Iraq.

Now unlike the Sunni caliph, the Shi’a Imam inherited from Muhammad not just his civil rule over the umma but also his prerogative of interpreting the Quran, his infallibility, and his sinlessness (that connotation of impeccability seems far lost today). The eleventh Imam, al-Hassan al-Askari, died in 874. He was succeeded by the twelfth Imam, the youthful Muhammad, who “disappeared” in 274/878 in the cave of the great mosque at Samarra without leaving progeny.

He is now known as the “expected one,” (al-Muntazar), the “promised one” (al-Mahdi”), or the “hidden one,” (al-Mustatir). The theology of the Hidden Imam is that Allah realized at last that the rightful successor to Muhammad was not going to be accepted by Islam at large so he had to be taken into hiding and kept there until he would re-appear to purify the umma and take the world for Islam.

The period of the Twelfth Imam’s hiding was in two parts. The period from 878 until 941 would be known as the “Lesser Occultation,” a time when the Hidden Imam was still active in this earthly realm, communicating by messengers. The Great Occultation began in 941, when all contact with the world was broken off. This date has been misinterpreted by some authors as the date of his disappearance. The Great Occultation continues to present and will end when he re-appears.

Media commentators and a great many academics mostly are not people of faith. For such intellectuals, the operational worldview of a people who believe in a messiah-like Mahdi, to the point that they are willing to base their government on that belief, is utterly alien and incomprehensible. Accordingly, the “experts” have little to say to the non-expert public about the characteristics and implications of a government predicated on such beliefs.

Today, the incumbent leader of a modern nation-state is making warlike and virulently anti-Semitic pronouncements with almost no knowledgeable comment from the visible pool of experts in the mass media.

When Hitler wrote of his intentions, the leaders of the Europe at that time could not comprehend someone saying and meaning the things he said. Our leaders at present seem similarly stultified in their thinking.

I suggest that we have to take Ahmadinejad seriously. I believe that he means what he says, and if given the opportunity will try to carry out his murderous plans. I furthermore suggest that we need to look around for the moral courage (the ability to make a stand on principle) to censure and punish those who call for the killing of Jews and the destruction of Israel.

Have we no memory? Have we no courage?


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 12thimam; ahmadinejad; ahmadinejadvisit; antichrist; blueturban; endtimes; iran; iranwar; israel; mahdi; mehdi; middleeast; spartansixdelta; wot
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1 posted on 01/25/2006 12:16:37 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

I agree. The man is extemely dangerous and should be taken at his word.


2 posted on 01/25/2006 12:19:34 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: jan in Colorado; USF; Justanobody; justche; Fred Nerks
Ping
3 posted on 01/25/2006 12:19:44 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

If the Hidden Imam ever did show up they'd have him shot.


4 posted on 01/25/2006 12:20:43 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Dark Skies

This is about the 4th or 5th story I've seen on this in the last couple of days...

I wonder if it's a co-ordinated effort.


5 posted on 01/25/2006 12:21:50 PM PST by Sometimes A River
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To: Dark Skies
Mahmoud? What if this "hidden Imam" isn't coming?

What if, rather than simply being hidden, he doesn't even exist!

Or worse, the "hidden Imam" turns out to be a (gasp!) FEMALE!

6 posted on 01/25/2006 12:22:33 PM PST by alloysteel (There is no substitute for success. None. Nobody remembers who was in second place.)
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To: Acts 2:38

bump


7 posted on 01/25/2006 12:24:19 PM PST by pushforbush
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To: Dark Skies

hidden imam = christian antichrist = he will surely die


8 posted on 01/25/2006 12:24:31 PM PST by gop4lyf
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To: alloysteel

And I thought that Scientologists were strange.


9 posted on 01/25/2006 12:25:31 PM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: Dark Skies
With the ongoing pronouncements about the destruction of Israel and the war against the United States, all in the name of the Hidden Imam, it suddenly seems more important to know something about this whole concept.

No it's not important. Here's all I need to know: Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims and Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism
10 posted on 01/25/2006 12:25:32 PM PST by Man50D
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To: Dark Skies
The immediate question: who is this Hidden Imam to whom he referred?

I have a confession to make. It's me. When I take over Islam there's gonna be some changes made, baby!

11 posted on 01/25/2006 12:27:04 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Dajjal

Clean up on aisle seven. 8-)


12 posted on 01/25/2006 12:27:11 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dark Skies

Bump


13 posted on 01/25/2006 12:27:32 PM PST by B-Cause (“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”)
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To: Dark Skies
I suggest that we have to take Ahmadinejad seriously. I believe that he means what he says, and if given the opportunity will try to carry out his murderous plans. I furthermore suggest that we need to look around for the moral courage (the ability to make a stand on principle) to censure and punish those who call for the killing of Jews and the destruction of Israel. Have we no memory? Have we no courage?

Memory? CHECK, Courage? CHECK... Let's Roll!

14 posted on 01/25/2006 12:29:07 PM PST by humint
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To: alloysteel

Mahmoud, I've got good news and bad news.

The good news is the twelfth imam is coming back soon.

The bad news is...he's Jewish.


15 posted on 01/25/2006 12:30:06 PM PST by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and boy, is he mad.)
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To: Dark Skies
Today, the incumbent leader of a modern nation-state is making warlike and virulently anti-Semitic pronouncements with almost no knowledgeable comment from the visible pool of experts in the mass media.

What does that have to do with the return of the 12th Iman and the other ways Ahmedinijad is supposed to be defined by his theology? Is there some way in which Twelver doctrine translates into war, with Israel in particular or infidels in general, that is distinct from current run-of-the-mill Islamic nuttiness? Or, operationally if not theologically, is this guy pretty much indistinguishable from Bin Laden, etc.?

16 posted on 01/25/2006 12:30:55 PM PST by untenured (http://futureuncertain.blogspot.com)
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To: Dark Skies; Salem; Alouette; SJackson
This modern day Haman is an evil and dangerous nut that needs to be taken seriously. However, a sense of humor helps keep things in perspective. Sources have found a picture of the "hidden imam":


17 posted on 01/25/2006 12:32:59 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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To: Dark Skies

Interesting explanation.

IMO, islam is just a twisted knock off of Judaism. That would make it the religion of satan.


18 posted on 01/25/2006 12:34:48 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: Jaded

I agree.


19 posted on 01/25/2006 12:37:09 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: alloysteel

"Or worse, the "hidden Imam" turns out to be a (gasp!) FEMALE!"

Hidden by a burkha?


20 posted on 01/25/2006 12:40:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Billthedrill
I have a confession to make. It's me. When I take over Islam there's gonna be some changes made, baby!

Billthedrill Akbar! :)
21 posted on 01/25/2006 12:41:07 PM PST by Man50D
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To: Dark Skies

Am I the only one who believes that Mahmoud, when he refers to the Hidden Imam, the Mahdi, is referring to himself? And that he is just waiting for his countrymen to recognize this, and to acclaim him as their long promised savior?

How long will it be before Mahmoud starts asserting that he is of the proper family lineage, etc? Not long, I'd bet.

I can't quite decide whether Mahmoud is one of the great snake-oil salesmen of his day, or if he is just unhinged.


22 posted on 01/25/2006 12:43:07 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Dark Skies

This author has written the best analysis I've seen of this "hidden Imam" apocalyptic Islam. He writes that he takes Amendinjad at his word. All his murderous words


23 posted on 01/25/2006 12:49:48 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Dark Skies
Shhh...the hidden Imam is really that Heineken dude from New Orleans.
24 posted on 01/25/2006 12:51:11 PM PST by Obadiah
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To: Dark Skies
Ahmadinejad reported that many of his co-religionists claimed that while he was making those remarks, they could see about him an aura of light. He recalled that he too was aware of a celestial light at that time. He also pointed to the fact that the “leaders of the world” were watching him at that time with a fixed gaze, apparently unable to look away.

Those must be some powerful drugs somebody put into their drinks and food before Amadmanwantsjihad spoke at the U.N.

Somebody really needs to make that mad man's dream come true. Perhaps some 'hidden' poison, or a 'hidden' bomb? How 'bout some 'hidden' B2 bombers (Stealth bombers)? The mad man may not be too far from the truth when the Stealth bombers suddenly appear to take him out.
25 posted on 01/25/2006 12:52:54 PM PST by adorno
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To: dennisw
I agree. I thought this guy rolled up his sleeves and got into the crux of the issue.

BTW, like your new tag line. One of my favorite movies.

26 posted on 01/25/2006 12:53:16 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: adorno

"Amadmanwantsjihad" LOL!!!


27 posted on 01/25/2006 12:55:42 PM PST by gop4lyf
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To: yldstrk

I thought Ahmadinejad thinks he is the MAHDI.


28 posted on 01/25/2006 12:58:41 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Confirm Alito Now)
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To: Dark Skies
Ahmadinejad's interested in the Hidden Imam; I'm much more interested in the hidden Iman:


29 posted on 01/25/2006 1:01:37 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Dark Skies

Please note the author is a professor of religion at Oral Roberts University.

Thanks on the tag line:)


30 posted on 01/25/2006 1:02:38 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: yldstrk
>>>I agree. The man is extemely dangerous and should be taken at his word.<<<

I agree. The man is extemely dangerous and should be taken out!.

31 posted on 01/25/2006 1:05:16 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: alloysteel

I am the Hidden Imam. Boo!


32 posted on 01/25/2006 1:05:32 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Dark Skies
This is just a repeat of history in a sense:

Sudan, 1882-1898

Khedive ISMAIL PASHA had been deposed in 1879; his successor TAWFIQ was perceived as weak, under the influence of URABI PASHA.. Following political intrigues at the court in Cairo, Urabi Pasha was ousted and the British government used the inability of the Egyptian administration to pay interest on her national bet to declare Egypt a BRITISH PROTECTORATE.

In the KORDOFAN region of the Sudan, MUHAMMAD AHMAD declared himself to be the MAHDI, the expected one, a mouthpiece of the prophet, and assembled a community of followers. While the Egyptian administration during the preceding 6 decades had not been resented per se, many reforms introduced by her - the modernization of the army, the limitation of the application of the Sharia, the implementation of taxation, the abolition of slavery - were, all the more if they were perceived as alien to Islamic tradition, as due to Western pressure or influence.

The presence of christian missionaries, the fact that Westerners such as Samuel White Baker, Charles Gordon, Eduard Schnitzler (Emin Pascha) occupied leading positions in the Egyptian administration of the Sudan personified this western influence.

Historian P.M. Holt stresses that the Mahdiyya originated in the Kordofan, began as a regional phenomenon, in 1881. The Mahdi called on his followers to refuse taxation and to fight the 'Turks'. Attempts by Governor MUHAMMAD RA'UF to arrest the Mahdi, to contain the rebellion failed; soon Kordofan, except her garrisons, was under the control of the Mahdiyya.

In Jan. 1883 the garrisons of Bara and El Obeid surrendered. The Egyptian administration sent an army commanded by a British officer, WILLIAM HICKS; it was annihilated on Nov. 5th 1883. In the BATTLE OF SHAYKAN the Mahdiyya acquired modern weaponry and ammunition.

While British Prime Minister sent General Charles "Chinese" Gordon, who was appointed Governor General by the Khedive, to Khartoum, with the order to evacuate the Edyptian residents of the city, the Mahdi had established his control over much of the Sudanese countryside; Khartoum and a few strongholds along the Nile were still held by Egyptians, as was the south - the Bahr-el-Ghazal and Equatoria. The Governor of Bahr-el-Ghazal, Englishman F.M. LUPTON, surrendered to a Mahdist expedition in April 1884; Governor of Equatoria EMIN PASCHA (German Eduard Schnitzler) rather than awaiting a Mahdist force he could not possibly resist, moved south and established residence at WADELAI on Lake Albert. At Suakin (Port Sudan) on the Red Sea the Egyptian garrison also held out.

The Mahdist forces established their camp at OMDURMAN, opposite Khartoum, and laid siege to the latter, which held out until January 26th 1885; Governor Gordon was killed in the attack. A British relief force arrived on British steamers two days later. The MAHDI died of disease June 22nd 1885.

The administration fell into the hands of the Mahdi's chosen successors, the 4 Caliphs, most notably Abdallah ibn Muhammad. The Mahdiyya administration followed the model of the early Caliphate, restored the Sharia to universal application and reduced taxation. Christians faced persecution. In one aspect the Mahdi diverted from the tradition of Sudanese governors - he had coins struck. Abdallah ibn Muhammad quickly consolidated his position; a feared British invasion did not materialize; expansion continued as the garrisons of KASSALA and SENNAR fell in July/August 1885. DARFUR (the Sultan of which had lead an army against Khartoum in 1886) was brought under control, a border war with christian ABYSSINIA fought - King John of Abyssinia was killed in a March 1889 battle. Another war was fought on the border with Egypt.

The military events in 1889, which, besides the battle with the Ethiopians included the crushing of a revolt in Darfur and a defeat the defeat of an expedition sent against Egypt, marked the climax of Mahdist expansion. A misharvest caused severe famine; the privileged treatment given to the Khalifa's tribe, the TA'AISHA, caused general resentment; an 1891 rebellion was suppressed. A Mahdist expedition into Italian Eritrea was defeated in 1893; Italian forces took Kassala in 1894. The same year a Belgian force established a stronghold at REJAF in what was to be called the LADO ENCLAVE.

While the Khalifa's rule became more and more despotic, the French (1895) planned an expedition to the Nile, under COLONEL MARCHAND. Now the British administration realized that her claim on the central Nile valley was questioned by the Italians, Belgians and French; in 1896 a British force commanded by SIR HERBERT KITCHENER was dispatched to occupy Dongola; it occupied Berber in 1887, defeated the main Mahdist force at Atbara on April 8th 1898; Omdurman fell on September 1st 1898.

33 posted on 01/25/2006 1:10:49 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Now that's a leader that I could follow. WOW! Not much hidden, though.


34 posted on 01/25/2006 1:14:50 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies
In another post from the "American Thinker", (Thinking the Unthinkable About Iran) Ahmadinejad has demonstrated his belief in the "Mahadi" by building a rail line from Teheran to the town where the Mahadi supposedly resides; built a wide avenue in Teheran to welcome the Mahadi; built a palace north of Teheran for him when he returns; and dropped his selection of cabinet members down a well to get the Mahadi's approval.

If this was all he was doing, I say leave him alone. But in light of his threats to Israel, The US and Europe, it adds perspective to his madness....and dangerous volitility.

There is a great need for some "wet work" on this guy.

35 posted on 01/25/2006 1:15:59 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: untenured
He's suppose to reappear in a Armageddon type war and bring victory to the Muslims. Ahmedinijad is trying to bring Armageddon so that the hidden Imam will return and give them victory. Or so the theory goes...
36 posted on 01/25/2006 1:19:55 PM PST by DB (©)
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To: Dark Skies

Ignore someone obsessed about the Mahdi concept...and you might just
end up dead...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060588/#comment

The way this film has been ignored since 9-11 is simply amazing.


37 posted on 01/25/2006 1:24:55 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dark Skies

I think the hidden Imam is Bush and when he comes over there they will have to suspend their political establishment.


38 posted on 01/25/2006 1:26:40 PM PST by tiki
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To: alloysteel
Or worse, the "hidden Imam" turns out to be a (gasp!) FEMALE!

now wouldn't that be the funniest thing ever!!

39 posted on 01/25/2006 1:27:22 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: yldstrk

Unfortunately, it will probably take another 9/11 incident before we take this nutball out.


40 posted on 01/25/2006 1:28:03 PM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Dark Skies

oops, I meant to use this link in my previous post:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060588/


41 posted on 01/25/2006 1:28:15 PM PST by VOA
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To: Dark Skies
Allah ack ack ack!

42 posted on 01/25/2006 1:29:34 PM PST by evets (God bless president Bush!)
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To: HardStarboard

Until he sees conclusive evidence to the contrary, the president of Iran had better act as if the Mahdi is, in fact, George W. Bush on orders from the living christ.


43 posted on 01/25/2006 1:30:18 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Jaded

Or maybe the Anit-Christ, the anti-Messiah


44 posted on 01/25/2006 1:30:50 PM PST by rlferny
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To: adorno

"He recalled that he too was aware of a celestial light"
That's a light bulb!


45 posted on 01/25/2006 1:33:12 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: RegulatorCountry

What if she turns out to be a lingerie model?;)


46 posted on 01/25/2006 1:39:06 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Dark Skies

Thanks DS.

The motivations of the enemy must be spelt out clearly for all to see.


47 posted on 01/25/2006 1:39:20 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: Dark Skies

"Ahmadinejad reported that many of his co-religionists claimed that while he was making those remarks, they could see about him an aura of light"

Sure. Satan again. "- - false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." - 2 Cor. 11:13

In this case not Christ, but a false prophet


48 posted on 01/25/2006 1:43:35 PM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: Dark Skies
That does it. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has be a fan of the type of conspiracies you hear on the Coast to Coast AM radio talk show.
49 posted on 01/25/2006 1:51:50 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Dark Skies

someone else already said it, it's suddenly really kind of out there huh? Seeing it repeatedly now...


50 posted on 01/25/2006 1:53:31 PM PST by justche (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Damn straight, I'll cast the first stone!" - MeanWestTexan)
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