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Deforestation Of Amazon Threatens More Than Just Plants And Animals
American Society For Microbiology ^ | 1997-06-29 | American Society For Microbiology

Posted on 01/25/2006 7:01:47 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm

WASHINGTON, DC-- June 26, 1997--The Amazon Basin, home to largest rainforest in the world, is known for its astounding variety of plants and animals. But the rainforest may be also be home to an even more overwhelming variety of previously unknown bacteria and this diversity, just as with plants and animals, may be jeopardized by deforestation, says a report in the July issue of the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: amazon; co2; ecoping; environment; globalwarming; greenhouse; nature
The is an old story. Below is another to compare. I think it illustrates how over-the-top some science headlines can be. One minute it is save the the bacteria in the Amazon and a few years later we find there is little to save in the first place. Not that the whole idea of killing off any one species of bacteria is far more difficult than killing off even a species of insect such as fire ants, something which we have failed horribly at. Worrying about endangered bacteria really requires a "certain" kind of mind.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060125084759.htm

In Bacterial Diversity, Amazon Is A 'Desert'; Desert Is An 'Amazon'

" Ironically, in the diversity of soil bacteria, the otherwise species-rich Amazon is a more like a desert, while the arid desert is a teeming microbial Amazon, researchers have found. Their first-ever continental-scale genetic survey of soil bacteria revealed that the primary factor that seems to govern the diversity of soil bacteria is soil pH. Thus, the acidic soils of topical forests harbor fewer bacterial species than the neutral soils of deserts."

1 posted on 01/25/2006 7:01:49 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm
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To: Ma3lst0rm

They say the Amazon forest is relatively recent. If it were converted (or reconverted) to agriculture would it be a net loss?


2 posted on 01/25/2006 7:05:39 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Ma3lst0rm

I'm so conservative, I make Jesse Helms look like a commie, but the destruction of the Amazon jungle is very troubling.

We need to hurry up and find a way to start colonizing other planets outside the known solar system, because the human population has reached critical mass here on earth.

Not only is human population out of control, but even the rapid advance of technology has not kept pace with what is necessary for humans to sustain themselves.

We ina' heapa' trouble, boy !


3 posted on 01/25/2006 7:12:48 PM PST by colonel mosby (cultural purge)
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To: RightWhale

That is something that you should mention to evolutionists. A big question is how did such diversity come about in such a relative short period of time? It is hardly a picture of a passive process that is often passed off. What it is a picture of is an active genetic algorithm producing periods of abrupt differentiation in species.

You do bring up an interesting point that if we want to increase the net diversity of the Amazon we could just chop it all down which should allow the soil's ph to become more appealing to bacteria which would soon become more diverse than the typical eukaryotic multi-cellular life. Maybe the bacteria safaria Business would boom!


4 posted on 01/25/2006 7:20:03 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm (The government definition of diligence is drowning oneself in a teaspoon of water.)
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To: colonel mosby

The Amazon needs to be protected but I think we need to be reasonable. We really fool ourselves into believing the most silly things about the world; the number one misconception being that the world the way it is, is the way was and the way it should always and forever be. People have been worried about overpopulation for so long and I wish I could be worried but I'm not. It is like worrying about whether it will rain too much. If it does it floods, if a population expands beyond its means people die.

Humanity responds with more innovation and so far the innovation has outpaced the doomsayers and it is abundantly clear from history that had humanity heeded the doomsayers, the dire prophecies would’ve likely have come true because the innovation, the eyes on the horizon, would’ve been sacrificed to the hording of scraps and perpetual poverty of communism. Just as you can not avoid a ditch by focusing solely on it one can not avoid disaster by dwelling on it.
Conservative or not we will not conserve the rain forest by telling poor indians they are better off without houses and running water.

Perpetual Dismay

We need not hope for the end of the world
And nor can we know the day
But to so fixate ourselves on doom
Can only lead our hearts to one place-
The empty comfort of perpetual dismay.


5 posted on 01/25/2006 7:41:19 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm (The government definition of diligence is drowning oneself in a teaspoon of water.)
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To: Ma3lst0rm

Since the Amazon is the #1 (or #2 if you count plankton) producer of Greenhouse Gasses on Earth, this has to be counted as good news, right?


6 posted on 01/25/2006 7:43:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberals oppose individual slavery compared to colletive slavery because they hate competition!)
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To: RightWhale
Without "the Rain Forest Is Vanishing!" and it's corollary "Give, Give Give!", "pass laws", "more regulations" there well could be a net loss - of income to Communism Lite NGO's.

The Horror, The Horror!

;-)
7 posted on 01/25/2006 7:53:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Brad Cloven

Hey that is a good point!!! I really like people that can grasp more than one variable at once!


8 posted on 01/25/2006 8:07:46 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm (The government definition of diligence is drowning oneself in a teaspoon of water.)
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To: Ma3lst0rm; Brad Cloven

Both of you are dead wrong. Look up Photosynthesis

" The carbon cycle is based on carbon dioxide (CO2), which can be found in air in the gaseous form, and in water in dissolved form. Terrestrial plants use carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, to generate oxygen that will sustain animal life. Aquatic plants also generate oxygen, but they use carbon dioxide from water.

The process of oxygen generation is called photosynthesis. During photosynthesis, plants and other producers transfer carbon dioxide and water into complex carbohydrates, such as glucose, under the influence of sunlight. Only plants and some bacteria have the ability to conduct this process, because they possess chlorophyll; a pigment molecule in leaves that they can capture solar energy with."


9 posted on 01/25/2006 9:05:26 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: freepatriot32; GreenFreeper


10 posted on 01/25/2006 10:18:19 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: colonel mosby
Not only is human population out of control

Echos of a liberal trying to justify abortion, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc etc etc etc etc etc

11 posted on 01/25/2006 10:21:03 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: beaver fever

And when the plants decompose in a swamp, they release the CO2 they collected in life. So if you look at CO2 sources, the Amazon is one of the top sources of CO2.

(That the Amazon also happens to be a CO2 sink when the plants are alive, I'll concede. It's just funny to watch libs freak because they can't wrap their heads around both sides of that biochemistry.)


12 posted on 01/26/2006 6:14:58 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Liberals oppose individual slavery compared to colletive slavery because they hate competition!)
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To: Ma3lst0rm; Coleus; blam; Carry_Okie; Chanticleer; ClearCase_guy; cogitator; CollegeRepublican; ...
ECO-PING

FReepmail me to be added or removed to the ECO-PING list!

13 posted on 01/26/2006 7:30:22 AM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: Ma3lst0rm
...one misconception being that the world the way it is, is the way was and the way it should always and forever be.

Something I have been trying to get across for years. You can't manage for a static planet. That said, the most important thing is not to oppose change but rather work with change and allow organism to be able to 'naturally' respond to them.

14 posted on 01/26/2006 7:34:54 AM PST by GreenFreeper (Not blind opposition to progress, but opposition to blind progress)
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To: Ma3lst0rm

They've chopped away at it for decades now.
Someone should propose giving Mother Nature
a shot at letting the forest recoup. It
wouldn't take all that long for jungle
regrowth to occur. You'd think someone
with enough intelligence down there would
at least initiate a Replace a Tree Program.

Guess it's easier to slash away and when the
resources have been totally exhausted, appeal
to World Charity for sustenance assistance.


15 posted on 01/26/2006 7:42:17 AM PST by Grendel9 (u)
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To: colonel mosby
We need to hurry up and find a way to start colonizing other planets outside the known solar system, because the human population has reached critical mass here on earth. Not only is human population out of control, but even the rapid advance of technology has not kept pace with what is necessary for humans to sustain themselves.

Where did you get this tripe? The entire population of the earth can be fit into the usable land space of Texas with 1,123 sq feet per man woman and child. The rest of the earth would be empty.

16 posted on 01/26/2006 7:52:08 AM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Grendel9

"Guess it's easier to slash away and when the resources have been totally exhausted, appeal to World Charity for sustenance assistance."

That sure seems to be the way these things always go. ;)


17 posted on 01/26/2006 8:08:03 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Dad was my hero

your off a little bit, I get 1,152 sqft per person, that enough extra room for a futon!


18 posted on 01/26/2006 8:13:35 AM PST by Andrewksu
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To: Andrewksu

Woops you're


19 posted on 01/26/2006 8:14:08 AM PST by Andrewksu
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To: colonel mosby

Complete hogwash. You make Cindy Sheehan look well informed.

See: http://www.ncforestry.org/docs/Latest%20News/articles/shaky_science_behind_saving_rain.htm

"The scientific evidence paints a much brighter picture of deforestation in the Amazon. Looking at the NASA Landsat satellite images of the deforestation rates in the Amazon rainforest, about 12.5 percent has been cleared. Of the 12.5 percent, one half to one third of that is fallow, or in the process of regeneration, meaning that at any given moment up to 94 percent of the Amazon is left to nature. Even the Environmental Defense Fund and Sting’s Rainforest Foundation concede, among the fine print, that the forest is nearly 90 percent intact."


20 posted on 01/26/2006 8:17:48 AM PST by kidd
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To: Andrewksu

I'll stand by my numbers from the Texas website for landmass but won't quibble with the difference, it just irritates me when someone tells me we're over crowded. ;-)


21 posted on 01/26/2006 8:19:37 AM PST by Dad was my hero
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To: Dad was my hero

I had never though about it that way, I'll use that the next time I am arguing with my lib co-workers who on just about evry issue, have no perspective.


22 posted on 01/26/2006 8:26:48 AM PST by Andrewksu
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To: Grendel9
Could I interest you in an old Madonna CD called "Don't Bungle The Jungle!"

I might run a little rough as I've been using it for target practice for quite a few years!!!

23 posted on 01/26/2006 8:48:39 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: colonel mosby
"We ina' heapa' trouble, boy !"

Fear not! God is not mocked!! Famine, wars, pestilence and disease are simple tools used to limit unsustainable population growth. Who is scaring you out of your mind like that? You need new and more rational sources of information before you become suicidal!!!

24 posted on 01/26/2006 8:53:41 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: colonel mosby
I'm so conservative, I make Jesse Helms look like a commie...

You've been snookered by too much liberal hogwash on TV and in newspapers then. There is no world population problem. Only those who live in big cities would think that. Large cities and some countries in the world have localized population issues, yes. But those are mostly economic and policy problems, when you really look into it. Drive across Texas or Wyoming -- where I live -- some time. There's lots of empty space on this planet!

The entire population of the world would fit comfortably in the state of Texas, in single-family houses.

Second, the total amount of forest land in the world is higher now than it was 100 years ago. The whole "save the Amazon" thing is much ado about nothing.

25 posted on 01/26/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Ma3lst0rm
Hey! We don't need any futher diversity in bacteria! We're struggling to come up with "new and improved" anti-biotics to combat the ones we already have that are becoming resistant!

What? Do you want the only species that uses computers to die out? Do you agree with those liberals that think the US Constitution should be a suicide pact, keeping the executive branch from intercepting foreign intelligence?

What's prompting you to post this stuff besides homosapienphobia, or some such???

26 posted on 01/26/2006 9:00:06 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Whatever you do, don't tell Stings wife.

She spent years fundraising for this junk science. Once she found out the entire Amazon theory was a lie she dropped it like a hot rock.


27 posted on 01/26/2006 9:01:42 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: colonel mosby
I'm so conservative, I make Jesse Helms look like a commie, but the destruction of the Amazon jungle is very troubling.

I say, torch the entire Amazon jungle to the ground. I am tired of it being used an excuse by enviro-lunatics to make our (U.S. citizens) lifes harder to live through enviromental regulations.

28 posted on 01/26/2006 9:03:22 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: RightWhale
Ask these guys postin this "stuff" and pluggin in keywords like "GLOBALWARMING" how they explain the "global warming" that is occuring on Mars right now. No jungle bungling or internal combustion engines on that planet, right???

Obviously, it's cause by the star we live next to and nothing else!!!

29 posted on 01/26/2006 9:04:15 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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