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Fmr. Saddam General, Georges Sada, on WMDs (VIDEO)
Ms, Underestimated ^ | January 25, 2006

Posted on 01/25/2006 8:51:13 PM PST by Kaslin

FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE

I doubt very much that I will see this anytime soon on the MSM outlets, but H&C had the EXCLUSIVE tonight with former Saddam General, Georges Sada, who is the author of the new book, "Saddam's Secrets."

View the video here

(Excerpt) Read more at msunderestimated.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: georgessada; iraq; israel; sada; syria; wmd
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1 posted on 01/25/2006 8:51:14 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Is he at all like "Saddam's Bombmaker" Khidir Hamza who was on all the tv shows before the war saying Saddam had everything under the sun?

I wonder whatever happened to Hamza, he seems to have disappeared since the war.


2 posted on 01/25/2006 8:58:13 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25

I noticed that the lying RAT beckel had very little to say about this. If I was Hannity I would have beaten him over the head with this info.


3 posted on 01/25/2006 9:00:39 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Kaslin

YEAH, the OLD media is mysteriously quiet on this, aren't they.....WMD's.....THIS GUY says the WMD's went to SYRIA.....you'd think it would be on every newscast. But, it just isn't the RIGHT news for them.


4 posted on 01/25/2006 9:06:04 PM PST by goodnesswins (Seahawks headin' to the Superbowl for first time in 30 years....FINALLY!)
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To: ozzymandus

He couldn't say anything because he was stunned


5 posted on 01/25/2006 9:10:48 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: jeltz25

Well, Sada does have a book out now... ;)


6 posted on 01/25/2006 9:12:14 PM PST by oolatec
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To: goodnesswins

Naturally they have stuck their heads in the sand and are ignoring this


7 posted on 01/25/2006 9:12:26 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: jeltz25
I saw the show and I don't think he is as dubious as the others.

There is no doubt about the massive truck traffic to Syria before the war and in this program he described how there were 49 sorties of cargo 747s to Damascus with WMDs. Sada denied that Iraq had any Nuke program but they did have chemical weapons.

General Georges Sada

8 posted on 01/25/2006 9:29:36 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"There is no doubt about the massive truck traffic to Syria before the war and in this program he described how there were 49 sorties of cargo 747s to Damascus with WMDs. Sada denied that Iraq had any Nuke program but they did have chemical weapons."

There is a good chance the weapons went to Syria, and will possibly end up in Israel if and when Iran is hit by the West or Israel. Iran's wacko president was just in Syria. The Syrian government knows they are all but finished if Iran falls, so they may go out in the blaze of glory with Iran, trying to take Israel out in the process with tons of chemical and biological weapons.


9 posted on 01/25/2006 9:36:37 PM PST by sangrila
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Sada denied that Iraq had any Nuke program but they did have chemical weapons.

Interesting. So Habalja wasn't mass hysteria after all. I'll be danged!

10 posted on 01/25/2006 9:38:55 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Kaslin

So Bush was right and the left is Lying about Lying!! The sad part is that the Dims already know this from classified briefings but lie for political gain.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


11 posted on 01/25/2006 9:43:12 PM PST by bray (President Bush Protects America. The Rats Protect Terrorists.)
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To: Alouette

Watch this video, wait until you see the last few minutes.


12 posted on 01/25/2006 9:53:06 PM PST by hipaatwo
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To: Kaslin

I wonder how this will play into the SOTU speech. :)
(Next sound you hear may be Dem heads...exploding.)


13 posted on 01/25/2006 10:17:22 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Kaslin

Bump for later


14 posted on 01/25/2006 10:29:02 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: Kaslin

OK.

So if he is right.........

DID IRAN GET NUKES FROM SYRIA?

and that is why Iran is acting the way it is?


15 posted on 01/25/2006 10:55:51 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Perhaps not, but I do remember that Hamza was all over FoxNews and tons of conservatives and supportters of the war were trumpeting his first hand knowledge and experience as proof that Saddam had WMDs and Nukes.

Now, it appears that was, to quote Bush and David Kay "all wrong".

If however, he's telling the truth and Saddam was able to send massive cargo truck shipments and 50 747's to Damascus in the build up of the war and we did nothing to stop it and the WH or Pentagon hasn't even mentioned it, then we're in worse shape than I thought. I mean, for all we knew, there could have been nukes, anthrax, ricin, vx, etc.. in those trucks or planes and we didn't lift a finger to stop them. Who knows what happened to them once they touched down in Damascus. They're probably in Baalbek in the Bekka or deep in the Zagros Mountains by now. If that happened that was unacceptable negligence on the part of the administration.

If our billions in SAT and SIGINT couldn't pick up any of that, then we should just abolish DIA, CIA, NSA, and NRO-they're useless.

If this is true, what is the explanation for the complete and total US inactivity on this matter? I have to believe he's lying because if this were even remotely true, the WH would have brought it up to defend their statements on WMD. As it stands, the WH has pretty much openly admitted that they were wrong about WMD and that Saddam never really had anything.


I'd just be a bit more skeptical before we use this guy's book to invade Syria or Iran.


16 posted on 01/25/2006 11:07:16 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: sangrila; jeltz25
you'll both recall the thwarted terror strike against Jordan which came from across the Syrian border - a combination of blister and nerve agents that was designed to blow up near the government center/US Embassy in Amman, and which - if successful - would have likely caused 80,000 casualties?

Besides the salient fact that our media ignored this story for almost ten days, the key items about this attempt were that the perps were tied with AQ, had had talks with former Iraqi personnel who were now operating out of Syria, and were using chemical/bio weps which Syria had not previously been known/thought to have stockpiled.

As this WSJ: Al Qaeda's Poison Gas article shows, our leftists, media, Colmes-skullheads of the world will only admit to WMD the moment they either (A) find a Dr. Strangelove-ianesque stockpile of ICBM's next to one of Saddam's palaces, thousands and thousands of missiles that are parked in the desert and are visible for as far as the eye can see, all with that little moon and star thing from islamic flags on their warhead cones... or (B) see a WMD used against the US.

These people are sick, they are the traitors within, and I sincerely hope they don't stop spewing their filth!!! Every common-sense American needs to be continually reminded that these vermin cannot be trusted with the security of our Nation.

17 posted on 01/25/2006 11:31:33 PM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: CGVet58

All I'm saying is that this guy should be checked out much more throurougly than Hamza was and I'd be skeptical before I oredered any further military action based on info from former members of Saddam's regime.

And if we did let all this WMD get out than the Iraq war was a failure in an important respect. We have an air force, we had control of Iraqi airspace. What are we doing letting 50 747s make their way to Damascus. Did Iraq even have that many planes. They had virtually no air force and whatever they did have was Russian so I highly doubt this guy is on the up and up. Saddam didn't have 50 Boeings. If he had said 50 Ilyushins or 50 Antonovs than maybe I'd believe him. Where were the boys in blue while all these flights of WMD were taking palce? Twiddling their thumbs? This would have been a turkey shhot and it would have been easy to force them to land or take them out.

What good was takng out Saddam and putting up a democracy if he just gave all his WMDs to Hezbollah, AQ, Syria, Iran or whatver other Jihadist killers may have gotten their hands on it in the past 3 yrs?

This guy could check out, but 1 interview on Hannity and Colmes does not an unimpeachable source make.


18 posted on 01/25/2006 11:45:36 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: CGVet58

The media is too busy talking about the NSA non-scandal and the Alito hearings. Their priorities are seriously warped since we hear nothing about the instances you cited or the current situations in Iran and the middle east. The media is not reporting the dangerous situations that could lead to world war.

Iran's crazy president met with Syria's leaders; Iran probably already has the bomb; Hamas is closely linked to Iran and Syria and is now possibly the ruling party of Palestine; Russia and China will very possibly side with Iran in this situation; Pakistan and India are two nuclear powers and nobody really know what they are going to do in this situation; we are fighting two wars in emerging democracies in that region. And the media is concerned because our government is spying on people they should be spying on. The media a-holes need to do their jobs and to get of Bush's back about crap that isn't important.


19 posted on 01/26/2006 12:08:33 AM PST by sangrila
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To: Kaslin

bump for later


20 posted on 01/26/2006 12:49:03 AM PST by texianyankee
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Sada denied that Iraq had any Nuke program"

To be clear he said there was no Nuke program IN Iraq but we know Saddam had 28000 people working on weapons in Libya.

21 posted on 01/26/2006 12:51:01 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Kaslin
There ARE WMDs.

I don't know why it has been kept under wraps. I'm not nearly high enough on the food chain to be privy to that.

That's all I can say.

22 posted on 01/26/2006 12:52:37 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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To: AmeriBrit

Bookmarked for later


23 posted on 01/26/2006 2:27:13 AM PST by AmeriBrit (The 'hildabeast' must be stopped. RELEASE THE COMPLETE BARRETT REPORT.....NOW!)
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To: AmeriBrit
Remember this:

Three mystery ships are tracked over suspected 'weapons' cargo

independent.co.uk ^ | 2/19/03

Posted on 02/18/2003 7:47 PM EST by knak

Three giant cargo ships are being tracked by US and British intelligence on suspicion that they might be carrying Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

Each with a deadweight of 35,000 to 40,000 tonnes, the ships have been sailing around the world's oceans for the past three months while maintaining radio silence in clear violation of international maritime law, say authoritative shipping industry sources.

The vessels left port in late November, just a few days after UN weapons inspectors led by Hans Blix began their search for the alleged Iraqi arsenal on their return to the country.

Uncovering such a deadly cargo on board would give George Bush and Tony Blair the much sought-after "smoking gun" needed to justify an attack on Saddam Hussein's regime, in the face of massive public opposition to war.

The ships were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are flying under the flags of three different countries. The continued radio silence since they left port, in addition to the captains' failure to provide information on their cargoes or their destinations, is a clear breach of international maritime laws.

The vessels are thought to have spent much of their time in the deep waters of the Indian Ocean, berthing at sea when they need to collect supplies of fuel and food. They have berthed in a handful of Arab countries, including Yemen.

American and British military forces are believed to be reluctant to stop and search the vessels for fear that any intervention might result in them being scuttled. If they were carrying chemical and biological weapons, or fissile nuclear material, and they were to be sunk at sea, the environmental damage could be catastrophic.

Washington and London might also want to orchestrate any raids so that they can present the ships as "evidence" that President Saddam is engaged in "material breach" of UN resolutions. This could provide the trigger for military strikes. While security sources in London last night were unable to provide information on any surveillance operation, the movement of the three ships is the source of growing concern among maritime and intelligence experts.

A shipping industry source told The Independent: "If Iraq does have weapons of mass destruction, then a very large part of its capability could be afloat on the high seas right now. These ships have maintained radio silence for long periods and, for a considerable time, they have been steaming around in ever-decreasing circles." The ships are thought to have set sail from a country other than Iraq to avoid running the gauntlet of Western naval vessels patrolling the Gulf. Defence experts believe that, if they are carrying weapons of mass destruction, these could have been smuggled out through Syria or Jordan.

Despite hundreds of searches by UN inspectors, no evidence has yet been found of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programmes. A succession of "dossiers" presented by Downing Street has been criticised for providing inaccurate information, with the most recent one subject to ridicule because a student's 11-year-old doctoral thesis was being passed off as current intelligence. There was a further setback for Washington and London when the accuracy of satellite photographs shown to the United Nations by Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, purporting to show Iraqi officials moving incriminating evidence from a suspected site, was questioned by Hans Blix.

Mr Blix said: "The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of an imminent inspection." Attempts to link the Iraqi regime to al-Qa'ida and other Islamist groups have also been met with scepticism. The UN says, though, that Iraq has failed to account for 1,000 tonnes of chemical agents from the war against Iran; to reveal the whereabouts of 6,500 missing chemical rockets; to produce evidence it has destroyed 8,500 litres of anthrax; and to account for 380 rocket engines smuggled into Iraq with chemicals used for missile propellants and control systems.

Intelligence reports, and some Iraqi defectors, have maintained that incriminating material and documents relating to weapons of mass destruction have been buried in remote parts of the country and have also been hidden in a variety of locations including homes of officials and scientists, as well as mosques. There have also been claims that chemical and biological products have been smuggled into Syria.

24 posted on 01/26/2006 5:43:35 AM PST by Jambe ( Save the Cows ! -- Eat a Vegan !!!)
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To: jeltz25

good points all, fol are my thoughts on why:

747's - though the general didn't specifically say so, I inferred fm the exchange that this was on some sort of quasi-civilian run. 747's aren't in use for military transport; nor would the cargo have been identified if using civilian airlines (for obvious reasons).

But let's say we suspected this was going on; the question then becomes, did we have enough proof? Was the case strong enough to take action against civilian airliners, and what if we were wrong? It's hard to monday-morning quarterback this thing...

I've often used the term "vermin" to describe these enemies we face. It becomes less an analogy and more literal as the war progresses; for in this issue, it's almost exactly like what an exterminator finds when flushing vermin from a home - they scramble elsewhere.


25 posted on 01/26/2006 7:44:39 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: sangrila

Agreed, 110 Percent, Tap 'em Twice in Center Mass PING!


26 posted on 01/26/2006 7:45:59 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Kaslin

Great Video clip.

To freepers, can someone trim down on the file size to say under 5 mb. A freeper some where must have the software to trim it.

Then we can email this to thosands of free repubic mialing lists.

thanks.


27 posted on 01/26/2006 8:32:02 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (12 TH GENERATION PATROIT.)
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To: jeltz25

The no fly zones didn't cover the entire country...large portions of the North and South..It was legal for them to fly in the remainder.

The War Criminal General didn't totally convince me either.


28 posted on 01/26/2006 8:32:45 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Anti-Bubba182

And he sure wasn't bothered by the fact that they used chem weapons on Iran, lol.

Iraqis, yes. Iran, no.

I thought it was a good interview.


29 posted on 01/26/2006 8:34:13 AM PST by eyespysomething (For you to insult me, I must first value your opinion.)
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To: ozzymandus; Kaslin; All
I noticed that the lying RAT beckel had very little to say about this.

Beckel wasn't just stuned. He slyly asked Sada if there was any nuclear weapons development left after '81. Sada only said, "Not in Iraq, no," which seemed to satisfy Beckel. Unfortunately, Sada passed up the chance to add: "...because the nuclear weapons development project had been moved to Libya." See:
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Iraq/Sep0804.htm and http://FreedomKeys.com/whyiraq.htm

30 posted on 01/26/2006 10:00:36 AM PST by FreeKeys (DemocRATS play politics with national security.)
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To: jeltz25

Hi there..

There were not 50 planes. Only 2 modifeid civilian planes (all seats had been taken away). The number "50" is concerning the amount of sorties. Thus, 2 planes did those 50+ sorties.


31 posted on 01/26/2006 1:01:43 PM PST by French_for_Bush
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To: French_for_Bush

Whether it's 50 planes making 1 sortie each or 2 planes doing a total of 50 the idea is the same. The fact that 50 747 flights full of wmds could just be flown from Baghdad to Damascus and our AF did nothing is not exactly comforting. And like I said, I don't think Iraq had any 747s, they had russian planes to my knowledge.

It doesn't say much for our intel guys that all this happened right under our noses and we had no clue.

In the run up to war we had to have had satellites on Iraq 24/7. how did we miss this and if we didn't miss it, why did we ignore it?


32 posted on 01/26/2006 1:17:29 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: French_for_Bush

I mean can you imagine the PR vbictory for the administration if they hsd forced one of those 50 flights down and exposed this plot for the whole world to see?

The fact they did no such thing makes me highly skeptocal of this?

Israel gained a huge boost after they commandeered the Karine A and exposed Araft's arms deals. If we jad done the same with one of the flights we would have been a lot better off and the WH could have gotten 100% public support. The fact that not one interception of any of these flights or massive cargo trucks happened is cause for reflection.


33 posted on 01/26/2006 1:20:14 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25; All
The fact that 50 747 flights full of wmds could just be flown from Baghdad to Damascus and our AF did nothing is not exactly comforting.

Sada was just on Hannity. He said it was one 747 and one 727 with all the seats taken out.

Now look at the map:

Obviously they can fly from Baghdad to Damascus and NOT violate the no-fly zones.

34 posted on 01/26/2006 2:21:20 PM PST by FreeKeys (DemocRATS play politics with national security.)
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To: FreeKeys
Obviously they can fly from Baghdad to Damascus and NOT violate the no-fly zones.

Tonight Brit Hume said Baghdad told the world the flights were disaster relief for the Syrian dam that had burst just beforehand.

35 posted on 01/26/2006 7:34:23 PM PST by FreeKeys (DemocRATS play politics with national security.)
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To: CGVet58

To: CGVet58
All I'm saying is that this guy should be checked out much more throurougly than Hamza was and I'd be skeptical before I oredered any further military action based on info from former members of Saddam's regime.

And if we did let all this WMD get out than the Iraq war was a failure in an important respect. We have an air force, we had control of Iraqi airspace. What are we doing letting 50 747s make their way to Damascus. Did Iraq even have that many planes. They had virtually no air force and whatever they did have was Russian so I highly doubt this guy is on the up and up. Saddam didn't have 50 Boeings. If he had said 50 Ilyushins or 50 Antonovs than maybe I'd believe him. Where were the boys in blue while all these flights of WMD were taking palce? Twiddling their thumbs? This would have been a turkey shhot and it would have been easy to force them to land or take them out.

What good was takng out Saddam and putting up a democracy if he just gave all his WMDs to Hezbollah, AQ, Syria, Iran or whatver other Jihadist killers may have gotten their hands on it in the past 3 yrs?

This guy could check out, but 1 interview on Hannity and Colmes does not an unimpeachable source make.



General Sada has been verified by the State Dept and is meeting with Senators, White House next week and Congressional hearings are being called so Sada can testify. His facts check out, including that he was imprisoned by Hussein for not executing the American POWs, and one of our POWs (Eberly) says he remembers Sada and that he was treated very humanely. In fact, Eberly wrote the forword to the book.

MSM will have to report this story -- the book is skyrocketing on Amazon and he's been picked up for interviews next week by MSNBC and ABC Nightline among others. IF the book hits #1 NYTimes then maybe we'll get leftist NBC to even admit WMDs existed. GREAT timing for the SOTU.


36 posted on 01/27/2006 10:54:25 AM PST by jmwtn
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To: jmwtn

good day, frater in libertas....

reading your most recent notes on Sada's reliability - and the overwhelming impact of what he has to say that not even the 5th column MSM can ignore - makes the spirit soar and the blood run quick!

It is a good day to be an American and a Patriot!


37 posted on 01/27/2006 11:17:35 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Jambe

"Remember this:
Three mystery ships are tracked over suspected 'weapons' cargo"


Thanks Jambe for the memory jog. I'd completely forgotten about this.


38 posted on 01/28/2006 2:15:59 AM PST by AmeriBrit (The 'hildabeast' must be stopped. RELEASE THE COMPLETE BARRETT REPORT.....NOW!)
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To: jeltz25

The No Fly Zones were not patrolled 24/7. Iraq violated the zones hundreds of times from 1998 onwards. They knew how to play the game. Remember that the NFZs did not cover the entire country. The middle section of Iraq had no enforcement zone over it. That middle zone was right up to the Syrian border. Iraq even ignored the no fly zones with civil airliner flights and even Haj flights into Saudi. The Iraqi Air Force officer is talking about 50 flights - not 50 aircraft. Iraq still had a sizeable fleet of airliners at their disposal including Saddam's Presidential 747.

Up until the start of the conflict in March the Iraqi Air Force was still flying and generating healthy sortie rates. From about 1998 Iraq put everything they could back into military service. The embargo mean little as they could obtain lots of spares on the grey arms market.


39 posted on 01/28/2006 6:45:05 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: jeltz25

Iraqi combat aircraft were still flying in the central zone up until mid-March 2003. None of these were intercepted, so why would an airliner be?


40 posted on 01/28/2006 6:49:20 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: jeltz25
Iraq had both Boeing 727s and 747s in their fleet. The following aircraft were noted at Baghdad in 2003 after US forces had taken the airport. The large aircraft in the background (with Blackhawk helo above it) is a Boeing 747SP. The two aircraft in the foreground are Boeing 727s


41 posted on 01/28/2006 3:45:40 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Tommyjo

Thought to self. Maybe someone should check out the stored aircraft and the wrecks at Baghdad for indications of chemical/radiocative residue etc? I have my doubts about the story coming from the former Iraqi commander. If nothing else the guy will make a mint out of his book!


42 posted on 01/28/2006 3:54:03 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Kaslin; Peach

Retired since '86.. I'll have to watch this.

Thought this might interest you.


43 posted on 01/28/2006 4:05:05 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: jmwtn
General Sada has been verified by the State Dept and is meeting with Senators, White House next week and Congressional hearings are being called so Sada can testify. His facts check out, including that he was imprisoned by Hussein for not executing the American POWs, and one of our POWs (Eberly) says he remembers Sada and that he was treated very humanely. In fact, Eberly wrote the forword to the book.

Where have you heard that he's meetnig with Senators and the WH? I'm fascinated by this story and thought he was very credible in his interviews.

44 posted on 01/28/2006 6:48:26 PM PST by Peach
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To: My2Cents; FBD

Ping to #36. What do you think?


45 posted on 01/28/2006 6:49:41 PM PST by Peach
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To: SeaBiscuit

Thank you; I'm fascinated and following it. Did you read #36 on the thread?


46 posted on 01/28/2006 6:51:07 PM PST by Peach
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To: Peach

Iraq Official: Saddam Moved WMD to Syria
www.newsmax.com ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1565627/posts
(snip)
Recent reports by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard have similarly challenged the conventional wisdom on Saddam’s relationships with al-Qaida.

Hayes is calling for the release of approximately 2 million unclassified documents recovered in Iraq from the Hussein regime. He claims the documents could prove Saddam maintained significant contacts with al-Qaida.

Sada’s and Yaalon’s claims will be even more difficult, if not impossible, to prove, but several U.S. Senators will try to get to the bottom of the claims. Sada is scheduled to meet with Senators Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., and James Inhofe, R-Okla., next week. Both are members of the Senate Armed Services Committee


47 posted on 01/28/2006 7:21:30 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Mo1

Thanks for putting that on the open thread, Mo. I'm so glad Sessions and Inhofe are on top of this.


48 posted on 01/28/2006 7:24:20 PM PST by Peach
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To: Peach; Mo1

Yep, read it, an I'm glad MO1 posted confirmation that the Senators are on this.. Haven't had the time yet to go thru the entire interview yet.. Seems Sada was out of Saddam's offical loop since '86..? would love for this to be proven but at this point I remain a bit cynical of 'Book sales'.


49 posted on 01/28/2006 7:43:40 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: SeaBiscuit

Yes he retired in 86, but he was recalled again when Saddam invated Kuweit


50 posted on 01/28/2006 7:45:10 PM PST by Kaslin
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