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To: WaterDragon; hedgetrimmer; A. Pole; neutrino; Paul Ross
ARTICLE..."Google will actively assist the Chinese government in barring access to thousands of web sites and search terms, in fact anything on the world wide web the Chinese feel might destablize its authoritarian government. It will also eliminate the blogging and email services it offers elsewhere in the world."

I cant believe this is even an issue of debate on this forum. FR posters should recognize better than most, the importance of COMPLETE, UNFETTERED, UNCENSORED, news and information. After all, FR is the site most responsible for RATHERGATE.

For years, the mainstream press used selective information dispersal, giving people the false illusion of honesty and complete and unbiased news reporting, in order to further a liberal political agenda. And everyone blasted them for doing so.

Now, apparently, it is OK for a company to participate in a similar subtle form of government sponsored mind control / propaganda, provided that there is a practical financial reward for doing so. Give people just a little freedom and honesty, i.e, a Potemkin democracy, this is better than none at all, you see.

BullSht.

27 posted on 01/26/2006 1:44:03 PM PST by Dat Mon (Mr President, pick up the phone and tell DIA to stop the persecution of Lt Col Shaffer)
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To: Dat Mon
BullSht.

Amen.

29 posted on 01/26/2006 2:38:58 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: Dat Mon

FYI

My Experience of Google's Censorship
By Zhang Lin


In the past, I always thought Google, the biggest search engine in the world, was also the fairest. So no matter what messages I needed to search, I always went first to the UltraReach Company’s UltraReach.Net [Editor’s note: UltrarReach.net is a web server designed to enable the user in mainland China to defeat the P.R.C.’s attempt to censor internet content], and then used Google. But a few months ago, I found there was something strange about Google.
For example, when I searched my own name “Zhang Lin” (the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] blocked my name long ago), to my surprise I found the first entry was a football player named Zhang Linbao. It is impossible for the compiler in Google’s Chinese Department not to have found such an obvious mistake a long time ago. Moreover, Google listed the entries related to “Zhang Lin” at 29,400 altogether. But when I checked the entries from the beginning to the end with patience, I found only 73 pages with 9 entries per page for a total of 657 entries.

When I searched to the last page, I suddenly found there was a link called “repeat the search with the omitted results included.” When I clicked to open it, I suddenly discovered that I was in a new world. The omitted entries included 100 pages, which were even more than the entries really listed. Moreover, nearly all of the omitted content was related to me. Apparently I was considered to be a main “deleted” person (whoever is interested can check this for him or herself). At that moment, the only thing I could think is that Google has been penetrated by an agent of the CCP.

So several months ago, I planed to write an article to expose that Google had been penetrated by an agent of the CCP. What I could not believe was that Google had openly cooperated with the autocratic regime of the CCP and destroyed the freedom of the network.

But recently I saw the series of articles that explained how Google really had started to cooperate with the CCP. At the request of the CCP, Google largely deleted the terms that the CCP intended to block.

This action has violated the basic principles of the network – free access and fair treatment. The Chinese people have been deceived and persecuted and their sources of information have been blockaded, by the CCP for a long time. Google is obviously suspected of helping a tyranny to do evil. Though Google remains the best Chinese search engine, we have the right to require that Google act justly, which is also good for Google’s own healthy development.

A company that compromises with or even flatters an autocratic regime may obtain a few benefits. Eventually, though, actions taken to help a tyranny will be condemned by the public and a cost will be paid. Generally speaking, such a company loses more than it gains. Swiss Banks cooperated with the Nazis, granted loans to make munitions, and swallowed up the Jews’ accounts. But eventually justice was served.

This should be a cautionary tale for Google. Unless Google’s current leaders just want to reap some money and walk away, Google should consider its long-term policy. Please, at the first sight of profits, don’t forget what is right and don’t abandon basic principles.

Editor’s Note: The filtering that Zhang Lin reports in this first person account is of a different kind than what Google News China, a service just begun on September 9, admitted to practicing in a statement the week before last. Google News China does not allow the client to see the “omitted results.” Zhang Lin was able to see those results.


30 posted on 01/26/2006 3:44:21 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Dat Mon
it is OK for a company to participate in a similar subtle form of government sponsored mind control / propaganda, provided that there is a practical financial reward for doing so

This is what is known in globalese as a "public/private partnership.
31 posted on 01/26/2006 3:47:52 PM PST by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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