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Mexico claims GI's aid pot smugglers
Akron Beacon Journal ^ | Thu, Jan. 26, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/26/2006 1:18:53 PM PST by Willie Green

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MEXICO CITY - Mexico's top diplomat suggested Thursday that American soldiers disguised as Mexican troops may have been in the military-style Humvee filmed earlier this week protecting a marijuana shipment on the border.

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez also told a news conference that U.S. soldiers had helped drug smugglers before. However, he offered no evidence.

The U.S. Embassy in Mexico made no immediate comment on Derbez's claims.

His comments came a day after U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza issued a statement asking the Mexican government to "fully investigate" the border incident.

Monday's armed standoff began 50 miles east of El Paso, Texas, when Texas state police tried to stop three sport utility vehicles on Interstate 10. The vehicles made a quick U-turn and headed south toward the border, a few miles away.

Crossing the border, one SUV got stuck in the Rio Grande River, and men in a Humvee tried in vain to tow it out. Then a group of men in civilian clothes began unloading what appeared to be bundles of marijuana and torched the SUV before fleeing.

Mexico insisted Wednesday that the men in military-style uniforms were drug smugglers, not soldiers. In Mexico, kidnappers and drug smugglers regularly wear police gear, which is sold at street stands.

Derbez said Thursday that the men photographed by Texas law enforcement could have been Americans.

"Members of the U.S. Army have helped protect people who were processing and transporting drugs," Derbez said. "And just as that has happened ... it is very probable that something like that could have happened, that in reality they were members of some of their groups disguised as Mexican soldiers with Humvees."

Three U.S. soldiers have pleaded guilty to running a cocaine smuggling ring from a U.S. base in Colombia, and a fourth is being tried in Texas this week.

Derbez said there was no proof that the men seen in the incident were Mexicans.

Derbez also said his country will send a diplomatic note to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanding that U.S. officials tone down their comments on Mexico's security and immigration problems.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; dope; dopers; drugtrafficking; immigrantlist; mexicanmules; mexico; ms13; wodlist; wot; zetas
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1 posted on 01/26/2006 1:18:54 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
I didn't know Michael Moore worked as a consultant for the Mexican government.
2 posted on 01/26/2006 1:20:57 PM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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Willie, I love the keyword you put on the posting - Dope! - so, who do we think the dope is?

I'm beginning to get a real nasy distaste for Senor Derbez. It's amazing to realize that he's Mexico's Condoleeza Rice!

3 posted on 01/26/2006 1:21:48 PM PST by HiJinx (~ www.proudpatriots.org ~ Operation Valentine's Day ~ Serving those who serve us ~)
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To: Willie Green

first it's just drug smugglers in Mexican military uniforms, now it's US soldiers in Mexican military uniforms.


geez, who am I gonna believe....</sarcasm>


4 posted on 01/26/2006 1:21:52 PM PST by Kidan (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Willie Green

"The U.S. Embassy in Mexico made no immediate comment on Derbez's claims."

I guess we'll be saying sorry to Mexico soon on this one too.


6 posted on 01/26/2006 1:23:11 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Willie Green

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez should shut his "flan hole".


7 posted on 01/26/2006 1:23:32 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: inquest

There's a simple way to verify their claims. Next incursion, shoot the perps dead and then identify the bodies. That should clear things up in a jiffy.


8 posted on 01/26/2006 1:23:44 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Willie Green

Friggin A$$hole!

'W' should get serious and make this loser resign!


9 posted on 01/26/2006 1:24:02 PM PST by The_Republican
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To: injin

The weekly world news maybe...


10 posted on 01/26/2006 1:24:17 PM PST by Redcitizen (When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Willie Green
Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez also told a news conference that U.S. soldiers had helped drug smugglers before. However, he offered no evidence.

Chuckles...a most formidable thread by the venerable Willie Green.

11 posted on 01/26/2006 1:24:20 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Willie Green
Mexico's top diplomat suggested Thursday

Now, that's some real diplomatin' by the top diplomat. Baghdad Bob is alive and well.

Maybe it was space aliens! Yeah, that's the ticket!

12 posted on 01/26/2006 1:25:43 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Willie Green

they're drug smugglers...no wait, they're american military...no wait they're aliens from outerspace...How pathetic coming from their foreign secretary no less...PATHETIC.


13 posted on 01/26/2006 1:27:42 PM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Willie Green
Sounds like our old friend has a new job in Mexico.

There are no US troops in Baghdad. They are all wearing Mexican army uniforms and are hauling drugs over the border.

14 posted on 01/26/2006 1:28:09 PM PST by KarlInOhio (During wartime, some whistles should not be blown. - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Willie Green
i have no doubt that "G.I.s" help pot smugglers and i even have no doubt that "G.I.s" *areO pot smugglers...

...but of course the "G.I.s" in question are soldiers in the Mexican Army, not the US Army...

15 posted on 01/26/2006 1:28:56 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Willie Green

that frito bandito should keep his yap shut


16 posted on 01/26/2006 1:29:40 PM PST by NoClones
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To: Willie Green
...U.S. soldiers had helped drug smugglers before...

This is well documented. A fellow by the name of Oliver North comes to mind. I doubt if this sort of thing was stopped by the current administration.

17 posted on 01/26/2006 1:29:49 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Willie Green

I am increasingly of the opinion that sealing the border will absolutely force Mexico's corrupt elite to deal with their problems, instead of ignoring them and letting us do it for them.


18 posted on 01/26/2006 1:30:31 PM PST by Riley ("What color is the boathouse at Hereford?")
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To: The South Texan

I used to like visiting the Mexican Rivera in the spring as a nice vacation.

I've met many nice people there, and come away with generally a possitive opinion of the Mexican people from those visits.

However, the recent actions of their current government make me unwilling to spend my hard earned dollars in their country.

The Mexican people don't think any more highly of their government than we do, but unless they are going to put enough pressure on their government to change, I don't want to go there.


19 posted on 01/26/2006 1:31:30 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: SpaceBar
There's a simple way to verify their claims. Next incursion, shoot the perps dead and then identify the bodies. That should clear things up in a jiffy...

Concur, shoot them, take their fingerprints and then tell the Mexican Authorities, "Sorry, they opened fire on our forces from inside our border. They left us no choice but to return fire. We've been unable to identify the individuals involved. Do you wish to examine the bodies?

20 posted on 01/26/2006 1:34:14 PM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (I've lived where it gets -50 Fahrenheit so where did ALGORE get his information?)
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To: Willie Green
Okay, now it seems that we will have to capture a sample of these rogue military men...

Just to find out from where they arrive.

: )

21 posted on 01/26/2006 1:35:43 PM PST by Idisarthur
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To: Willie Green
Since they are Americans, I doubt the Mexicans would have any cause for complaint if we splattered these soldiers and their Humvee across the desert with a hellfire missile.
22 posted on 01/26/2006 1:35:56 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Willie Green

They send thousands of people to invade our country, Then they arrest our Border Patrol agents. Their military helps drug smugglers then they have the balls to insult us with crap like this. Mr Bush please wake up. This crap is getting old.


23 posted on 01/26/2006 1:37:57 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Willie Green

Gee, maybe this story will make some lefties a little less hostile to the military.


24 posted on 01/26/2006 1:38:26 PM PST by aynrandfreak (Terrorists love Democrats.)
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To: KarlInOhio

LOL! You can't make stuff like this up!


25 posted on 01/26/2006 1:38:36 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Mexico-beyond your expectations!)
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To: jackbenimble

Heck no, dont blow them up, capture them and then see how the negotiations go.


26 posted on 01/26/2006 1:39:16 PM PST by Concho
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To: Willie Green

So if they aren't Mexican Army, then they won't mind their capture and interrogation then?
They also won't mind if a few end up at ambient outdoor temperature as well?
Good to know.


27 posted on 01/26/2006 1:41:17 PM PST by Darksheare (And baby says "RAAAAR!")
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To: SpaceBar

Exactly what I would have wrote.


28 posted on 01/26/2006 1:48:25 PM PST by jeremiah (People wake up, the water is getting hot)
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To: untrained skeptic
"However, the recent actions of their current government make me unwilling to spend my hard earned dollars in their country."

If you think this is bad, just wait until after the election this summer!
29 posted on 01/26/2006 1:48:29 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Mexico-beyond your expectations!)
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To: Friend_from_the_Frozen_North

In which case, if they were shown to be the likely Mexicans, Mexico would then say that they were illegal aliens from the United States. Err, maybe space aliens or Canadians. I know: ANCHOR space aliens or ANCHOR Canadians, in that their MOTHERS were Mexicans but they'd been "unknown" to Mexico for several years.


30 posted on 01/26/2006 1:50:43 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: SpaceBar

There's a simple way to verify their claims. Next incursion, shoot the perps dead and then identify the bodies. That should clear things up in a jiffy.


---Sounds good to me because I think we know where they are from. JMHO


31 posted on 01/26/2006 1:52:08 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: Willie Green
Derbez also said his country will send a diplomatic note to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanding that U.S. officials tone down their comments on Mexico's security and immigration problems.
32 posted on 01/26/2006 1:58:57 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Willie Green

I guess Senor Derbez didn't see the pix. Those guys were definatly NOT our GIs. Next time they cross the border, We need to send a few back in bodybags.


33 posted on 01/26/2006 1:59:17 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Willie Green; Travis McGee; B4Ranch; All

Take a look at the bottom picture in this post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1564524/posts?page=22#22

Does the guy on the left look like an American soldier? Look at his hair and that big fat disgusting gut. And his complexion? Well, he "could" be a Mexican.

American soldiers my ass!


34 posted on 01/26/2006 2:00:35 PM PST by planekT (<- http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/ ->)
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To: Willie Green

Baghdad Bob changed his name to Jose and is now in Mexico City.


35 posted on 01/26/2006 2:03:00 PM PST by Ben Mugged (`)
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To: Willie Green

We need to post a reward to anyone who can bring one of these
Mexican soldiers in for interogation...

Time to start running night APs along the border...


36 posted on 01/26/2006 2:03:26 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Willie Green

Puh-frickin'-leeze!


37 posted on 01/26/2006 2:03:43 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
An OMFG *PING!*

MEXICO CITY - Mexico's top diplomat suggested Thursday that American soldiers disguised as Mexican troops may have been in the military-style Humvee filmed earlier this week protecting a marijuana shipment on the border.

Yup....you guessed it...t's AMERICA'S fault! (I'd say it's Bush's, but it IS!)

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez also told a news conference that U.S. soldiers had helped drug smugglers before. However, he offered no evidence.

Want some Evidence Luis? (pics courtesy of posts by angkor)

How about some more detail close-up!

Larger images:

AS if THAT wasn't enough...

"Members of the U.S. Army have helped protect people who were processing and transporting drugs," Derbez said. "And just as that has happened ... it is very probable that something like that could have happened, that in reality they were members of some of their groups disguised as Mexican soldiers with Humvees."
Derbez said there was no proof that the men seen in the incident were Mexicans.
Derbez also said his country will send a diplomatic note to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanding that U.S. officials tone down their comments on Mexico's security and immigration problems.

I guess Condi, Jerkoff Chertoff and Jorge Arbusto better assume the position...time to BOHICA!

Ahead Sell-Out Factor 10, Mr. Chertoff!

38 posted on 01/26/2006 2:07:54 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Willie Green

This guy must get his talking points from Howie Dean.


39 posted on 01/26/2006 2:08:57 PM PST by 43north (Liberals are obsessed by the vulgarity of their lives & the obscenity of their behavior.)
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To: inquest

I would like to know what this ---hole is smokin. Hey Juan, if they are Americans dressed as Mexicans, you won't mind if our guys blow them straight to hell next time, will you?


40 posted on 01/26/2006 2:43:19 PM PST by newcthem
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To: Willie Green
This is all very offensive!


41 posted on 01/26/2006 2:54:51 PM PST by JOE6PAK (...diagonally parked in a parallel universe.)
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To: Itzlzha
These guys look like they could be MexFeds (police) who (ahem) work drug cases. They're always armed to the teeth.

Oh well whoever they are, they sure ain't US Troops. Isn't it time for us to start making alot of noise about this? Like you want to get elected again, do something about this right now, not after the elections are over and you forget what you promised.

The Minutemen projects are starting to look quite a bit more responsible these days.

42 posted on 01/26/2006 2:58:10 PM PST by Tactical
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To: Willie Green
Easy way to find out. Transfer a hundred Marine snipers to the Border Patrol, and tell them the rules of engagement now allow them to fire upon any armed person wearing a Mexican military uniform, as being a foreign invader

Then ID the bodies

43 posted on 01/26/2006 2:59:25 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: SpaceBar
Funny, I was thinking the very same thing.

Nam Vet

44 posted on 01/26/2006 3:12:55 PM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
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To: HiJinx
The following article is on the same subject but it also has Derbez demanding that we "regularize" every illegal alien in our country, not just the Mexicans.

Mexico suggests U.S. military could be behind border incident

MEXICO CITY – Mexico's foreign secretary suggested Thursday that uniformed men using a military-style Humvee to help drug traffickers on the border could have been U.S. soldiers or criminals disguised as Mexican troops.

The comments by Luis Ernesto Derbez came a day after U.S. Ambassador Tony Garza issued a strongly worded statement asking the Mexican government to "fully investigate" Monday's border incident.

Derbez called Garza's comments out of line and said his office is sending a diplomatic note asking the ambassador to tone down his rhetoric.

The U.S. Embassy in Mexico made no immediate comment.

Derbez also said that men photographed by Texas law enforcement officers as they helped marijuana traffickers flee to Mexico on Monday could have been Americans, but he offered no evidence.

He did refer, however, to an FBI drug sting dubbed Operation Lively Green, in which more than a dozen U.S. military and civilian government workers were arrested in southern Arizona. Some pled guilty to transporting drugs in official vehciles, including Humvees.

"Members of the U.S. Army have helped protect people who were processing and transporting drugs," Derbez told a news conference. "And just as that has happened ... it is very probable that something like that could have happened, that in reality they (the uniformed men at the border) were members of some of their groups disguised as Mexican soldiers with Humvees."

Texas law enforcement officials originally said Mexican soldiers were involved in Monday's incident. Mexican officials earlier have said the uniformed men were drug traffickers disguised as Mexican soldiers. Derbez said Thursday there was no proof that they were even Mexicans.

"There is a supposition here that this involved Mexican citizens, and that is absolutely incorrect," Derbez said. "There would have to have been racial descriptions, and that would imply a certain element of racial discrimination on the part of the American sheriffs."

Derbez said his diplomatic note to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would demand that U.S. officials tone down their comments on Mexico's security and immigration problems, and would request quick results of an investigation into the December shooting of a Mexican migrant.

He complained that Garza should have made his complaints through diplomatic channels.

"We should not convert this, as (Garza) apparently did by publishing his article, into a public relations issue," Derbez said, adding that Garza's comments were "not only wrong, but also don't correspond to reality."

A series of earlier spats have raised tensions between the two nations that largely disagree on the best way to thwart illegal immigration and drug smuggling along the 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) border.

Derbez said Mexico's official position on immigration is now to push not just for legalization and temporary work permits for Mexicans, but for migrants from Central America and other countries as well.

"In any immigration reform, there should be a clause that allows the regularization of all citizens ... not just Mexicans, but other nationalities," Derbez said.

The U.S. Congress has refused to approve any amnesty. Instead it is considering the possibility of extending walls along the border – an idea that Mexico bitterly opposes.

Monday's confrontation began 50 miles (80 kilometers) east of El Paso, Texas, when state police tried to stop three sport utility vehicles on Interstate 10. The vehicles made a quick U-turn and headed south toward the border, a few miles away.

Crossing the border, one SUV got stuck in the river, and the men with the Humvee tried in vain to tow it out. Then a group of men in civilian clothes began unloading what appeared to be bundles of marijuana, and set the SUV on fire before fleeing.

45 posted on 01/26/2006 3:55:24 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Willie Green

What a load of crap. I guess the Mexican government has been taking lessons from the demoncrats. If you are caught doing something wrong blame anyone else.


46 posted on 01/26/2006 4:16:35 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: HiJinx

Why does this Senor Debez make me think, at first glance, of the former front man for Saddam Hussein, Taraq Azziz?


47 posted on 01/26/2006 4:18:23 PM PST by kstewskis ("There you go again..." R.R.)
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To: Friend_from_the_Frozen_North

After shooting them and maybe capturing one or two, take them before the UN and expose them to teh world. Oh wait. I'm talking about the UN actually DOING something. Forget it.


48 posted on 01/26/2006 4:19:18 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: Itzlzha

Goodness, where did they find a blue jacket that would fit a Volkswagen?


49 posted on 01/26/2006 4:28:00 PM PST by kstewskis ("There you go again..." R.R.)
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To: Willie Green
Uh ... uh ... uh ... THEY WERE MARTIANS DRESSED LIKE MEXICAN SOLDIERS! Yeah, that's the ticket.


50 posted on 01/26/2006 5:04:13 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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