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ZIMBABWE: MUGABE ORDERS STUDENTS TO 'LOOK EAST' AND LEARN CHINESE
AKI ^ | Jan 26, 2006

Posted on 01/27/2006 6:56:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Johannesburg, 26 Jan. (AKI) - Students at all Zimbabwean universities will later this year be required to learn to speak and write Chinese, Zimbabwe's education minister has announced. The decision is part of Zimbabwe president Robert Mugabe's offensive to promote his "Look East" policy, minister Stan Mudenge said. There was a "compelling need" to bring the peoples of the two countries together, Mudenge was quoted as saying by the Johannesburg daily, The Star.

Zimbabwe is seeking to strengthen its ties with China to offset Western sanctions imposed on Mugabe who has been accused of persecuting political opponents.

But Zimbabwean students who have been told to become fluent in tongue-twisting Mandarin, are outraged by the veteran leader's decision.

"It seems they are trying every political gimmick to lure the Chinese into this country to bankroll their bankrupt regime. But they should not do that at the expense of students," Washington Katema, president of the Zimbabwe National Association of Student Unions, was quoted as saying by The Star.

Critics have dismissed Mugabe's "Look East" policy as an empty political slogan that won't rescue Zimbabwe's collapsed economy.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: zimbabwe

1 posted on 01/27/2006 6:56:06 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hope they invent EbonicChinese so I can learns it. Anything would be easier than learning to read and write Chinese.


2 posted on 01/27/2006 7:04:31 PM PST by moonman
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is either insanity or genius... we'll see.

I once asked a China expert from the Dept. of State how long it would take to become operatively fluent in Chinese, and the answer was 10 years - just to speak it.

Also, this debate is going on in our local school system, which now already offers French, German, Spanish, Latin and Japanese. They want to replace German with Chinese. It would be interesting to know if such dialog is going on in other school systems across the US.


3 posted on 01/27/2006 7:05:26 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I wish Mugabe a painful and humiliating death. His brain is clearly gone, and he just needs to croak.

Note to Zims who still love freedom:

....kill Mugabe if you can.

4 posted on 01/27/2006 7:06:42 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
ZIMBABWE: MUGABE ORDERS STUDENTS TO 'LOOK EAST' AND LEARN CHINESE


5 posted on 01/27/2006 7:08:16 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"It seems they are trying every political gimmick to lure the Chinese into this country to bankroll their bankrupt regime. But they should not do that at the expense of students," Washington Katema, president of the Zimbabwe National Association of Student Unions, was quoted as saying by The Star.

Why dont you students get off of your asses and kill this SOB already?
6 posted on 01/27/2006 7:10:39 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Doesn't the Chinese language have around 2600 letters in their alphabet?, imagine having to say your abc's in kindergarten.
7 posted on 01/27/2006 7:13:00 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Tailgunner Joe

China will not save Zimbabwe. China might buy Zimbabwe products if they ever get to the point of producing anything again, but that's about it.


8 posted on 01/27/2006 7:14:35 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: LurkedLongEnough

I'm currently taking Chinese. I'm into my 3rd semester. It is extremely difficult to to pronounce correctly. It's a tone based language and the sounds are not natural in western languages. I actually find reading and writing the easier part. I have 3 hour class and about 15 hours of study a week. I just finished 2 hours of study to get 4 words down. I have 23 more to learn by Tuesday night. Guess what I'm doing this weekend.


9 posted on 01/27/2006 7:17:16 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy

Just load up on MSG and drink boxed wine. You'll do fine.


10 posted on 01/27/2006 7:28:38 PM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: Dutch Boy
Guess what I'm doing this weekend

Beer?

11 posted on 01/27/2006 7:38:16 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert

And BBQ ribs.... mmmm


12 posted on 01/27/2006 7:42:10 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks for speaking your mind Mr. Katema. It's been nice knowin' ya.


13 posted on 01/27/2006 7:46:03 PM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male (NRA))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The opening moves in China's little game of chess.

I'm confident that Bush is onto them, but I worry that any Democrat successor would be likely to believe Chinese aggression is a figment of our paranoia.


14 posted on 01/27/2006 9:06:07 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Dutch Boy
I'm currently taking Chinese.

I am learing Chinese myself now. I work with many Chinese, so it is actually kind of easy to immerse myself in the language. Are you using any software or websites outside of your class materials?

15 posted on 01/27/2006 9:19:46 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

A good start would be to learn all the Chinese words for the food that people in Zimbabwe are deprived of. "Okay Class, how many people have had fruit this month? No one? Well, here's the Chinese word for fruit..."


16 posted on 01/27/2006 10:04:36 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

As someone who can speak/read/write Chinese and has lived in Taiwan, I can assure everyone there is no better way to hold back a nation than to make them learn Chinese. The writing system needs to be modernized into a phonetic system, but (un)fortunately, it will never happen. Chinese children spend a very large percentage of their childhood trying to remember these stupid characters, only to forget them if they ever stop using them for a period of time. Because of this, they don't have time to properly learn other subjects and/or have a social life. It is a major problem and Zimbabwe adopting it is just another nail in the countries coffin.


17 posted on 01/27/2006 10:21:47 PM PST by killjoy (Same Shirt, Different Day)
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To: RightWhale
China will not save Zimbabwe. China might buy Zimbabwe products if they ever get to the point of producing anything again, but that's about it.

China doesn't intend to save zim, or buy it; you are correct in that. They intend to colonize it and take it over completely in a military and political sense. They want the resources, and they'll have no patience and less understanding or compassion for the children running it now.

BTW: Ou yeu sic tzan-tzan.

18 posted on 01/27/2006 10:39:44 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Chinese are too smart to fall for a fool like Mugabe. They KNOW he and his supporters will fall one day, and fall extremely hard. You don't want to be around when that happens.


19 posted on 01/28/2006 8:28:43 AM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Vince Ferrer
I have several CD courses but didn't get far. So far I've completed 2 college level courses and am into the third. I have access to a few Chinese speaking people. I also write to my counter parts in China several times a day.

I needed explanation not just repeating known phases without understanding the meaning. Otherwise you might never know the nuances of "ni hao." and "ni hao bu hao?" or "ni hao ma?" Even more confusing, that "wo men" and "zan men" may or may not be the same thing depended on where you are. The sentence structure also messes with me.

Studying Chinese is fun but very time consuming. Especially as I get older. The words and structure don't seem to want to stick. Immersion is the best way to learn. Good luck, zhu hao.
20 posted on 01/28/2006 8:40:02 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: LurkedLongEnough

The only thing he's a genius at is staying alive and in power. More to the point however, he's a kook, and there are too many in the world like him.


21 posted on 01/28/2006 12:11:17 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: LurkedLongEnough
To speak Chinese is WAY harder than Japanese, which really isn't so hard at all for the western tongue. I have many lilly-white friends who can speak it with little problem.

Another problem with Chinese is that it has way more kanji (pictograms) than Japanese (which actually also uses 2 more phonetic alphabets of 50 simple characters each).

You can get by in Japan knowing about 2500 pictograms, but with Chinese, well...you'd probably have to know at least 700% more than that:

-->TO READ CHINESE RELIABLY YOU MUST KNOW WELL OVER 10,000 INDIVIDUALLY MEMORIZED CHARACTERS.<--

One nice thing about Chinese over Japanese is that there is one way only of saying each character, whereas in Japanese the pronunciation of each character changes, depending on different things.

Also the intonation in Chinese is totally crazy. Inflection is a HUGE deal.

If you can read Japanese, you can SORT OF get the gist of Chinese signs, menus, etc. But many times you guess a bit, and you're TOTALLY off.

To order ALL university students in Zimbabwe to learn Chinese is the act of a complete madman, which is fitting, come to think of it...

22 posted on 01/28/2006 12:52:24 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Clarification:

I said that "there is one way only of saying each character". Errr, strictly speaking, that's actually not so:

That's just for each Chinese dialect INDIVIDUALLY.

Like, since there's more than one dialect, there is, in fact, more than one way to say Chinese characters in Chinese.

The reading/writing system that I think is the picture of absolute logic is KOREAN. They have a phonetic system that I believe any DULLARD can learn in...two days, I guess.

Easier than the roman letters we use, perhaps.

23 posted on 01/28/2006 12:58:38 PM PST by gaijin
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