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Fighting Ourselves in Falluja
NY Times ^ | January 23, 2006 | BING WEST

Posted on 01/29/2006 12:26:35 AM PST by neverdem

THE persistence of the insurgency in Iraq has divided America in a way not seen since Vietnam. Now the blame game among the principals has begun. The former presidential envoy to Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, has written in his new memoir that he informed President Bush that the military did not have "a strategy to win."

Quite. The lesson the Pentagon should learn from Iraq is to avoid another L. Paul Bremer. This is less a reflection on Mr. Bremer, who accurately described himself as "the American viceroy" in Iraq and "the president's man," than on the position he and the American military commanders in Iraq were placed in by the White House's failure to put one person in charge.

In 1967, when confusion among military and civilian officials in Vietnam was undermining the war effort, President Lyndon B. Johnson placed all civilian reconstruction and security functions under the top general, William Westmoreland, insuring unity of command under Westmoreland's successor Creighton Abrams. Confronting similar confusion in Iraq, President Bush unfortunately assigned to the military the responsibility for security but gave Mr. Bremer the authority to shape, recruit, train and finance the Iraqi military and police.

Mr. Bremer writes that he believed the Iraqi military should not "have internal security duties" and that the police should be trained by American civilians. But not enough civilians ever arrived to do the job. Mr. Bremer was unable to design a strategy for building up the Iraqi military and police. This failure extended the period in which the American military had to do the fighting while also taking over the training of both Mr. Bremer's new army and the police.

This disunity of command reached its tragic apex in the spring of 2004, during what Mr. Bremer calls "the most critical crisis of..."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bingwest; bremer; bush; democracy; freedom; georgewbush; iraq; lpaulbremeriii; oif; success; west
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1 posted on 01/29/2006 12:26:37 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Oh, I see...Iraq is just like Vietnam. Wow, the NYT is brilliant with their analyses.


2 posted on 01/29/2006 12:36:43 AM PST by frankjr
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To: neverdem

Who is this Bing West? Sounds like a RAT.


3 posted on 01/29/2006 12:38:30 AM PST by balch3
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To: balch3

Bing West is a brillant man and his analysis of the mistake of hiring Bremer was spot on. Bremer was a total failure in every possible way.

He also has a great book. No True Glory the Battle for Fallujah.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 12:46:16 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: balch3
Who is this Bing West? Sounds like a RAT.

Bing West

5 posted on 01/29/2006 12:51:00 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

According to the article he's on the PBS news hour. Never a good sign. If he's such a brilliant man, why is he being so critical?


6 posted on 01/29/2006 12:58:42 AM PST by balch3
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To: neverdem

Pinch must be passing the bong over there. They still think its the last century.


7 posted on 01/29/2006 1:04:10 AM PST by Nextrush (The Chris Matthews Band: "I get high..I get high...I get high..McCain.")
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To: balch3
According to the article he's on the PBS news hour. Never a good sign.

The News Hour with Jim Lehrer, like its predecessor The McNiel - Lehrer News Hour, almost always presents both sides of any topic for discussion, unlike the rest of the MSM.

If he's such a brilliant man, why is he being so critical?

If the shoe fits, wear it.

8 posted on 01/29/2006 1:21:48 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: barj; strategofr

ping


9 posted on 01/29/2006 1:47:18 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (If I drove a truck off a cliff and survived, Id probably go back to driving a truck again.)
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To: balch3

"If he's such a brilliant man, why is he being so critical?"

Did that question actually make sense in your head? How does being 'brilliant' prevent someone from articulating when they have seen faults in someone's performance? It's fairly widely recognised that there were serious flaws in Bremer's management in Iraq.


10 posted on 01/29/2006 1:49:43 AM PST by Canard
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To: balch3
Mistakes were made. Pointing these out does not make one a traitor, a defeatist or a Democrat.

What Iraq needed back then was military government and a MacArthur. Instead it got the CPA and Bremer.

11 posted on 01/29/2006 1:55:18 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (If I drove a truck off a cliff and survived, Id probably go back to driving a truck again.)
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To: neverdem

Hindsight is once again the clearest way to see something


12 posted on 01/29/2006 1:56:14 AM PST by woofie
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To: neverdem

All Vietnam, all the time....


13 posted on 01/29/2006 2:29:43 AM PST by x1stcav (First Afghanistan! Then Iraq! When Cuba?)
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To: neverdem

Junk like this is the reason why NYTs stock is going down.


14 posted on 01/29/2006 2:32:51 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Canard
It really amazes me the reaction of anything critical without a scintilla of knowledge on a subject or a person. Bing West has been a true supporter and proponent of what we have done in the Middle East.
I would advise before calling someone a RAT they read:
1. No true Glory
2. The March Up
15 posted on 01/29/2006 4:19:39 AM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: Canard
It really amazes me the reaction of anything critical without a scintilla of knowledge on a subject or a person. Bing West has been a true supporter and proponent of what we have done in the Middle East.
I would advise before calling someone a RAT they read:
1. No true Glory
2. The March Up
16 posted on 01/29/2006 4:20:44 AM PST by Recon Dad (Force Recon Dad)
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To: neverdem
What pathetic lives the left lives.

Imagine working for the NYSlimes and having to think up such drivel for your paycheck.

17 posted on 01/29/2006 5:02:22 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: jmc1969

I won't type what I'm thinking about what you said. What I will say is that our Marines that fought for us in Falluja, all of them the ones that lived, died, and were just injured did an OUTSTANDING JOB for AMERICA. The times and west can take this book to the outhouse and use it for what its purpose really is. These are my feelings and if you don't like them I don't care. This Airman is standing with my Brothers the Marines and the Navy Corpsmen that got the job done.


18 posted on 01/29/2006 6:04:20 AM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: JOE43270; jmc1969

"I won't type what I'm thinking about what you said. What I will say is that our Marines that fought for us in Falluja, all of them the ones that lived, died, and were just injured did an OUTSTANDING JOB for AMERICA."

Well, I can't say I've read the book in question, but nothing in the article linked suggests that it says anything contrary to what you believe.

I have read jmc1969's post that you are replying to and honestly cannot see where you think he has done so either.


19 posted on 01/29/2006 6:49:42 AM PST by Canard
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To: neverdem
THE persistence of the insurgency media's distorted reporting in Iraq has divided America in a way not seen since Vietnam.
20 posted on 01/29/2006 6:53:48 AM PST by Allegra (Stamp Out Jet Lag. Abolish Time Zones.)
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