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BOWERS: What's so bad about suburban sprawl anyway?
The Star [South Chicago] ^ | 1/39/6 | Michael Bowers

Posted on 01/29/2006 7:17:24 AM PST by SmithL

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To: Milhous
This thread needs a map.

Here's one:


41 posted on 01/29/2006 8:50:23 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Youngblood

looks like he may have gotten his timeline screwed up, for sure - tough the thoery appears to be correct re: temperature and evolution of the bat.

Either way, you are correct - accurate info goes a long way toward building credibility.


42 posted on 01/29/2006 8:50:53 AM PST by The Coopster
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To: Chi-townChief
The first time I heard those sage words of Malvina Reynolds, I felt that they were mindnumbingly boring. I still do. And therein lies their supreme truth and beauty. It's faulkneresque; the form performs the function.

Nothing could describe the American Left more perfectly.

These are the people whose restrictive covenants empower a board to approve or disapprove the color that you paint the inside of your house.

These are the people who want laws "with teeth in them" to prevent you from smoking--even in your own home. (I don't smoke. Never have.)

These are the people who repeat the mantras dictated by Leftist leaders in Washington, TV, academia, and Hollywood: "Bush lied!" e.g.

These are the "commentators" who repeat the catchphrase du jour: "Everybody does it," e.g., "The Smartest Woman in the World," "Private Morality Has Nothing To Do with Public Performance," "Perjury Is Not an Impeachable Offence," et al. ad infinitum--and the morons who believe them and parrot their catchphrases.

These are the people who worship at the shrine of Camelot (which, like the original Camelot, existed only in the imagination) and still consider Jack and Jackie-O the epitome of greatness.

These are the people who shout down speakers and to whom freedom of speech is abhorrent.

These are the people who voted for Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Al Gore.

These are the people who still have "Kerry" bumper stickers on their cars.

These are the people who want to commit hari kiri when their children don't get in an ivy league school.

These are the people who are slaves to popular culture and the latest fads.

These are the people who consider Barbra Streisand to be history's greatest soprano (and a great mind).

These are the people who read the New York Times, the "L.A. Times", the Boston Globe, and Time magazine and watch CNN and network news.

These are the mindnumbingly boring Leftists--the denizens of "The Mainstream Newsmedia", academia, Hollywood, and the Democrat Party--who would sell their souls for membership in the "Liberal Community" (an Orwellian misnomer, of course, there's nothing liberal about these people) and who would die to be on the A-list!

These are the people who are locked in the Leftist paradigm and thinks it's reality and who cannot imagine anything else.

These are the people who are Politically Correct!

These are the people who cannot be honest, even with themselves, and whose imagination is sclerotic.

For liberalism, imagination, and the joys of freedom, abandon these people and their mindnumbingly boring paradigm and submerge yourself in Middle America.

Maybe by example, you will help some of them break out of the paradigm,

And, even if you don't, you will save yourself. (It's like trying to save someone who is drowning. Don't let him drown you in the process.)

43 posted on 01/29/2006 8:51:53 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Live your best life." ~Oprah)
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To: Youngblood
Did you know there were no bats on Earth until we emerged from the last Ice Age 12,000 years ago?

One of the more idiotic statements I've read in the last while.

I agree. Baseball wasn't even invented until the mid-1800s.

44 posted on 01/29/2006 8:54:23 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Youngblood
One of the more idiotic statements I've read in the last while.

The author is definitely confused on that one, which is too bad because he makes a few good points and that comment dismisses everything else he said. What he said is probably true for particular regions like Indiana-Ohio-Michigan which were glacier covered about 15,000 years ago, and now have large bat populations. But defintely was not true for the whole earth.

45 posted on 01/29/2006 8:56:02 AM PST by Always Right
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To: ScreamingFist

I'm with you. We live on the edge of a very large US city, and I've also lived in Germany and Canada. In the US, although I'd like to live closer to where I work (and I've lived in Philly, San Antonio, DC and Honolulu), now that I have a family I wouldn't dare. US inner cities are dangerous and the schools are terrible. When I lived in Canada and Germany the cities were livable because they have planned for co-existing commercial and residential purposes. As a kid I could go anywhere--other towns, museums, shows, etc. because there was a safe, efficient reasonable public transit system in place. I think lots of suburban families would choose to liver closer to where they work if they could be assured of a safe environment with decent schools. Who wants to spend 3 hours a day commuting to work? Believe me, it's much nicer to be able to get to work in 15 minutes and be so close to restaurants and shopping that you can walk, and even have a drink or two with dinner. Instead we are being stuck with this soul-less cookie cutter enviornment that is leaving us nothing to tie ourselves to, and look at what it's doing to the kids who are raised in these environments. I'm not sure that we really have much of a choice here. The big winners are the developers--the rest of us lose.


46 posted on 01/29/2006 8:58:59 AM PST by binreadin
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To: MineralMan
Thanks for the image link (world at night).

No wonder they call Africa "The Dark Continent." :)

47 posted on 01/29/2006 8:59:47 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: ScreamingFist
My first thought also when I read this article. I disagree with the author, sprawl is a problem.....perhaps if he made the commute from Granbury Tx. to Dallas every morning he would change his tune.

Well, then, the solution is for you to voluntarily move into the city and live in a high-rise condo or apartment. It is not for you to get the government to force me to do the same.

The urban sprawl movement is driven by the same soccer moms who elected clinton. They moved out to the suburbs 20 years ago and have a nice place with lots of open space around it. But they don't want anyone else to move near them and have a nice place.

Problem is--they don't own the open space. Someone else does. So they get the government to confiscate the value of the property of the owners of the open space (by prohibiting development) and give that value to the soccer moms. It's the "I've got mine. Now you stop getting yours" mentality.

The folks running the open-space movement, of course, have a different agenda. People are a lot easier to control and much more dependent on the government if you stack them up in boxes in the central city. So they manipulate the soccer moms, not telling them that the real goal of the movement is to get their kids living in high-rise boxes in the central city.

48 posted on 01/29/2006 9:02:12 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Salgak
Then move WAY the heck out. I am.

I am way out. In the 50's I move to Houston, Texas which was a city of 350 thousand. I then served in the service and moved to Michigan for 13 year. Then I moved back to Houston which had grown to 4 million and out was now anther 60 miles. I now live way out in NC. I suspect that if you or I live another 30 yeas our out will be in.
49 posted on 01/29/2006 9:03:54 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: SmithL

This is what the commies want, Soviet-style apartments for everyone.

50 posted on 01/29/2006 9:03:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Max in Utah
Speaking of Africa and nighttime satellite images in Cosmos Sagan points out that the burning of natural gas in oil fields causes the brightest lights in north Africa.
51 posted on 01/29/2006 9:08:12 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Max in Utah

Ha, ha. Bats have only been around ten years. Check their logo.

52 posted on 01/29/2006 9:08:31 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: binreadin
When I lived in Canada and Germany the cities were livable because they have planned for co-existing commercial and residential purposes. As a kid I could go anywhere--other towns, museums, shows, etc. because there was a safe, efficient reasonable public transit system in place.

That's mostly the result of who lives in American central cities vs European and Canadian cities. Until recently (the Muslim problem), they have not had a welfare dependent underclass there. So the cities are nice and safe--at least they were ten years ago when I spent much time in Germany.

If you made the central cities in America nice (cute shops, urban malls, starbucks, loft housing etc), it would require moving the underclass out. Because if the underclass stays, all the cute little urban malls and renovation mean nothing. It will still be a dangerous place that the residents trash within a few years.

The underclass has to live somewhere. Where do we put them if the Starbucks class retakes the central city? I guess we send them to exurbs.

53 posted on 01/29/2006 9:10:18 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: JohnHenryAIA
We need more mixed use/high density to make America work and live better, longer and healthier.

Nice for you to dictate what others need or should want. People choose to live away from crime and have their own homes. If others enjoy the sameness of housing and restaurants and stores, who are you to dictate that they shouldn't have that right. These people pay taxes also. Maybe they choose not to waste it on urban schools, city graft and unionized labor.

54 posted on 01/29/2006 9:11:43 AM PST by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: dfwgator
Or worse, Chinese style like this photo I took in Fuyong city. No AC or Heat in most of those places, communal squat toilets and no running water cept from a pipe at the end of the hall.


55 posted on 01/29/2006 9:11:48 AM PST by Malsua
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To: ModelBreaker
Well, then, the solution is for you to voluntarily move into the city and live in a high-rise condo or apartment. It is not for you to get the government to force me to do the same.

Actually, the solution for me was to sell my home in the city and move so far out into the sticks that seeing a vehicle on the road is an event. To each his own, but having 5 Home Depots (with Lowes right across the street), 3 Super Walmarts and uncountable Walgreens (with Eckards right across the street) within 20 minutes driving distance doesn't seem like good urban development to me.....

56 posted on 01/29/2006 9:13:02 AM PST by ScreamingFist ( The RKBA doesn't apply if I have a bigger gun than your bodyguard. NRA)
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To: Chi-townChief
The solution is for the people who are bothered by "suburban sprawl" to move either back into the inner city or way out to the country.

When in Rome do as the Romans do. When big city contracts come my way I make things easy on myself and just live downtown. FWIW they mostly roll-up the sidewalks at night and over the weekends in allegedly scary big cities. IMHO you got to go looking for inner city crime to find it by hanging out at places with criminal element written all over them.
57 posted on 01/29/2006 9:25:07 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: binreadin
Instead we are being stuck with this soul-less cookie cutter enviornment that is leaving us nothing to tie ourselves to, and look at what it's doing to the kids who are raised in these environments.

I've lived in a lot of places from Texas to Oregon. Occaisionally I've gone back to towns where I once lived and looked for the places I remembered. In towns where there was a lot of change few places from years past were recognizable. It's almost like those parts of my life never existed since no evidence remains.

There's a small town in Kansas, Council Grove, that remains much as it was in the 60's. As my father said, "This town must seem pretty boring to most people, but it's a good place to raise a family."

58 posted on 01/29/2006 9:30:53 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: binreadin
I think lots of suburban families would choose to liver closer to where they work if they could be assured of a safe environment with decent schools.

I agree. Back in the 60's, Waco, Texas had a thriving downtown. There was a J. C. Penney's, a Sears, several five and dime stores, four theaters, quite a few restaurants, some governmental buildings, and tons of specialty television, furniture and office shops. The bus system was very healthy. Several things happened. First, the Feds offered Waco a ton of money for "downtown revitalization." Part of it was used to close the main street, Austin Avenue, and make about six blocks of it a "walking mall." They tore up the streets for four or five years, during which time about 80% of the businesses went bankrupt. This was also when forced busing came to Waco. Downtown property prices went through the floor, and most of the buildings sat vacant for years.

Downtown Waco became a dangerous place. In the last few years it's come back some, and the area by the Brazos River has turned into a neat little combination shop and restaurant area. However, the reason is because the police started actually patrolling, and private companies started turning the old warehouses into lofts for Baylor students. It's a shame that the place had to die, originally. My uncle was one of the people who lost his business thanks to the "planned development." A house in Woodway, which is a satellite city of Waco, costs about $20,000 more than the same house in Waco, because of the school system and the low crime. Waco has started growing again, primarily because there are now quite a few private schools.

Downtown Austin, when I lived there, had the same problems at their parks, which are some of the most beautiful anywhere. Transients urinating in public and homosexuals using the bathroom meant it was not an environment people wanted to take their children to.

59 posted on 01/29/2006 9:32:09 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
McMansion neighborhoods surrounded by WalMart-Kohls-Target-Home Depot shopping centers, with the same chains of restaurants: Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Starbucks, Red Lobster,

I don't find that disturbing at all.

60 posted on 01/29/2006 9:32:50 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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