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Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases
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Posted on 01/29/2006 10:06:22 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who took a leading role in the Terry Schiavo case, said Sunday it taught him that Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

Frist, considered a presidential hopeful for 2008, defended his call for further examinations of the brain-damaged Florida woman during the last days of a bitter family feud over her treatment. Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state.

The case became a rallying point for right-to-life advocates, an important segment of the Republican Party. It also drew interest from those supporting the right to refuse life-sustaining medical treatment and led to charges that the GOP was using a family tragedy for political gain.

Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he had any regrets regarding the Schiavo case, Frist said: "Well, I'll tell you what I learned from it, which is obvious. The American people don't want you involved in these decisions."

Schiavo, 41, died March 31, nearly two weeks after her feeding tube was removed and 15 years after her initial collapse and hospitalization. Courts in Florida had supported her husband's contention that she would not want to live in such a state. Her parents and siblings disagreed and for years fought efforts to remove her feeding tube.

An autopsy later showed that Schiavo had suffered severe, irreversible brain damage and was blind.

Frist, R-Tenn., said in the full Senate that he supported what he called "an opportunity to save Mrs. Schiavo's life." A heart surgeon, Frist had viewed video ordered by a court and taken by a board-certified neurologist who had concluded she was not in a persistent vegetative state.

Congress passed a bill to allow a federal court to review the case, and President Bush quickly returned from his Texas ranch to sign the bill into law. But a federal judge refused to order the tube reinserted, a decision upheld by a federal appeals court and the Supreme Court.

Frist was later mocked as having made a diagnosis from his office using a video screen. "I didn't make the diagnosis," Frist said Sunday. "I raised the question of whether or not she was in a persistent vegetative state."

Looking back, Frist said, "When you're taking innocent life, with parents who want that life preserved, you've got to make sure, and therefore stepping in to say, let's take one more review, that's what we did."

He added: "I accept the outcome. I don't agree with the moral sense of it."

Frist plans to leave the Senate when his second term expires in January 2007. He said Sunday he will return to his home in Tennessee and decide whether to seek the Republican nomination for president.


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1 posted on 01/29/2006 10:06:24 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., discusses the Republican 2006 Senate agenda during a news conference on Capitol Hill Friday, Jan. 27, 2006. Left to right are Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., Frist, Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Tex. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)


2 posted on 01/29/2006 10:07:39 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who took a leading role in the Terry Schiavo case, said Sunday it taught him that Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

That's something that bears repeating......

Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

3 posted on 01/29/2006 10:08:32 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

I don't want the government taking my tax money and giving it to the Palestinians but it does that too.


4 posted on 01/29/2006 10:10:43 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01
I don't want the government taking my tax money and giving it to the Palestinians but it does that too.

And because government does so then means that it should do so?

5 posted on 01/29/2006 10:12:01 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: 8mmMauser

PING


6 posted on 01/29/2006 10:14:49 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: ContraryMary
I believe that most of what the gov does it shouldn't do. Protection of life IS one of it's mandates though.
7 posted on 01/29/2006 10:15:24 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01
I believe that most of what the gov does it shouldn't do. Protection of life IS one of it's mandates though.

Mandates come from the people -- by definition a solid majority, if not an overwhelming majority. In this case there is no mandate -- but in fact just the opposite -- for government to be involved in end-of-life decisions.

8 posted on 01/29/2006 10:18:09 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

So, do you think the government should just stay out and allow spouses and relatives to murder their inconvenient spouses and relatives without government interference?

Let's have anarchy, let's allow the strong the murder the weak without interference.

THIS is the logical consequence of what you are saying. Are you sure this is really your position?


9 posted on 01/29/2006 10:18:18 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: ContraryMary

Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.
>>>

Tough. The prevention of murder is Job #1 for any government.

Twenty five years ago it was 'Americans do not want the government involved in the right to abort.' Now that 40 million Americans have been mass murdered, America is changing its mind.

Sometimes the will of the People is evil, and the job of a just goverment is to turn away that evil will and do what is just, regardless. It's called "leadership."


10 posted on 01/29/2006 10:19:46 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: FairOpinion
Let's have anarchy, let's allow the strong the murder the weak without interference.

THIS is the logical consequence of what you are saying.

It's just the illogical inference you're making.

11 posted on 01/29/2006 10:20:13 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: FairOpinion
So, do you think the government should just stay out and allow spouses and relatives to murder their inconvenient spouses and relatives without government interference?

Would you accept it if the husband/wife had no say ... but rather the patient only?

12 posted on 01/29/2006 10:20:15 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Boorrrringg ...)
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To: ContraryMary

It was the government of Florida that declared she must starve.


13 posted on 01/29/2006 10:22:31 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: ContraryMary

Are you saying, Mary, that if, say, a member of my family starves my mother to death, I should stand by and let it happen? And that I should have absolutely no recourse whatsoever?

Bill Frist is a gibbering coward. White House? Forget it, dude, you're history.


14 posted on 01/29/2006 10:22:49 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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Government should be involved in some end of life situations.

We need a l-o-n-g discussion, to determine where to draw the line.


15 posted on 01/29/2006 10:22:49 AM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: ContraryMary

If governments were bound by imputed mandates, we wouldn't need the courts.


16 posted on 01/29/2006 10:23:39 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
Sometimes the will of the People is evil, and the job of a just goverment is to turn away that evil will and do what is just, regardless. It's called "leadership."

It's called dictatorship. In a representative democracy when elected officials don't follow the will of the people they are replaced. That's just how it works. As for the "will of the people" involving abortion, it wasn't the will of the people, it was the will of nine people -- or was it five of nine people? Get your facts straight.

17 posted on 01/29/2006 10:24:48 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: FairOpinion

If it weren't for advances in medicine in the first place these "decisions" would have never come about.

How about everyone just write in the wills never whether or not they want to be "brought back".

Then we can let people die when they were suppose to right?


18 posted on 01/29/2006 10:25:01 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: NormsRevenge
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who took a leading role in the Terry Schiavo case, said Sunday it taught him that Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

Hopeless Presidential Candidate Frist is overlooking the involvement of the government in the person of a certain probate court judge who somehow found himself an authority on matters of life and death.

19 posted on 01/29/2006 10:25:18 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: ContraryMary

So if the majority mandated you to die, it's your duty to comply. Get real. History tells us over and over again how these scenarios play out.


20 posted on 01/29/2006 10:25:36 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Frist's wealth and the attacks by the SEC stopped his presidential run in its tracks.


21 posted on 01/29/2006 10:25:39 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: ContraryMary

It's called dictatorship. In a representative democracy when elected officials don't follow the will of the people they are replaced. >>

When elected officials allow mass murder on their watch they are removed and imprisoned, and spat upon by history. When they give up, they are mocked and not elected.

If you think it's dictatorship, go to a land where killing weaklings is government policy. Take a time machine to Germany, 1939.


22 posted on 01/29/2006 10:27:15 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Old Professer
If governments were bound by imputed mandates, we wouldn't need the courts.

Only to a degree. When elected officials go too far in ignoring the will of the people, they tend to get voted out of office.

23 posted on 01/29/2006 10:27:21 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: ContraryMary

Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.
......................................................

That's right!...let families itching to get aunt Millie's money, insurance companies who are looking at the bottom line, and death nuts control those decisions.


24 posted on 01/29/2006 10:28:38 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Old Professer

Frist is a future presidential also-ran (if he gets that far), but I haven't been following his fortunes that closely. What does the Southeastern Conference have against him?


25 posted on 01/29/2006 10:29:04 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
When elected officials allow mass murder on their watch they are removed and imprisoned, and spat upon by history.

And what U.S. government officials have been removed and imprisoned for mass murder recently? By your logic then, mass murder must not have occurred.

26 posted on 01/29/2006 10:29:37 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: eleni121

No, let's have people think ahead for a change, and make their own wishes known. My husband and I had a medical power of attorney in place long before the Schiavo case. If anyone is out there without one AFTER the Schiavo case, they're pretty clueless.


27 posted on 01/29/2006 10:30:14 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: eleni121

That's right!...let families itching to get aunt Millie's money, insurance companies who are looking at the bottom line, and death nuts control those decisions.>>

Cartoon summed it up pretty well. Old Mom is in a hospital and hooked up to life support. Her son is about to pull the plug from the wall with one hand and is staring at the will which he holds in the other, a big smile on his face. Old Mom says to him, "Son, I should have aborted you like I did all the others!"


28 posted on 01/29/2006 10:35:02 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: ContraryMary
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And what U.S. government officials have been removed and imprisoned for mass murder recently? By your logic then, mass murder must not have occurred.

By your logic a mandate (which might be for mass murder, who knows?) isn't a crime. So how can one be removed or imprisoned for not committing a crime. I know,... by majority mandate or...anarchy

29 posted on 01/29/2006 10:35:08 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: linda_22003

Nope. The right to life is absolute regardless of any "living will" and if such a document allows active termination of life then it is null and void.

The right to life should not depend on whether you had the money to consult a lawyer beforehand.


30 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:42 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: linda_22003

Since when has the default been cancelled?

Preserve life. Do no harm.

The physician's oath?

The downward leftist spiral into insanity hasn't slowed it appear even here.


31 posted on 01/29/2006 10:36:47 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: tertiary01
By your logic a mandate (which might be for mass murder, who knows?) isn't a crime.

Explain that. I'm interested in seeing how your logic works.

32 posted on 01/29/2006 10:37:05 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: linda_22003

If you have a "living will" after the Schiavo case, you are the clueless one, unless you have a scientific and medical crystal ball.


33 posted on 01/29/2006 10:37:19 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Old Mom says to him, "Son, I should have aborted you like I did all the others!"
...................................................


Oooh that's good! And then they came for me.....Sums up pretty well the insidious descent into social fragmentation.


34 posted on 01/29/2006 10:38:39 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: NormsRevenge
Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he had any regrets regarding the Schiavo case, Frist said: "Well, I'll tell you what I learned from it, which is obvious. The American people don't want you involved in these decisions."

I like a smart man. We do not want the government involved in these decisions.

35 posted on 01/29/2006 10:39:12 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: tertiary01
Protection of life IS one of it's mandates though.

An unwinnable goal. We will ALL die.

36 posted on 01/29/2006 10:40:54 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: ContraryMary

I think your problem is that you believe in a straight Democracy, I believe in a Republic.


37 posted on 01/29/2006 10:42:01 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: FairOpinion
Are you sure this is really your position?

No silly, that's merely your gross mischaracterization of it.

38 posted on 01/29/2006 10:42:09 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: tertiary01
I think your problem is that you believe in a straight Democracy, I believe in a Republic.

I think you haven't been reading my posts very well.

39 posted on 01/29/2006 10:43:18 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

If it is always all or nothing with you, than all laws are futile.


40 posted on 01/29/2006 10:44:08 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: ContraryMary

Then please explain.


41 posted on 01/29/2006 10:45:58 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I like a smart man. We do not want the government involved in these decisions.>>

There were many smart Nazis, and many smart cowards that let them run amok.

Give me a man who is foolish but just any day of the week over the smart and evil. Or smart and weak.


42 posted on 01/29/2006 10:46:51 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: HairOfTheDog

We will ALL die.>>>

But not violently at the hands of our neighbors, heirs, and insurance companies. Unless we act like woosies in the face of murderous greed.


43 posted on 01/29/2006 10:48:10 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: tertiary01

How many times did I talk about our representatives in government?


44 posted on 01/29/2006 10:48:33 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Oh really... must you play the Nazi card so soon?


45 posted on 01/29/2006 10:49:14 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: ContraryMary

And just how does simple majority mandates figure into your Republic scenario? I'm trying to follow your logic here.


46 posted on 01/29/2006 10:51:13 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: tertiary01

And when did I talk about simple majority mandates?


47 posted on 01/29/2006 10:52:03 AM PST by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
But not violently at the hands of our neighbors, heirs, and insurance companies. Unless we act like woosies in the face of murderous greed.

If this is how you see family decision making without the hand of government to protect us from our own... then I pity you.

48 posted on 01/29/2006 10:53:19 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Inspite of the wishes of the PC crowd the Nazi example is the most detailed and widely acknowledged example of the contemporary death cult in our lifetimes.


49 posted on 01/29/2006 10:53:22 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: NormsRevenge
It was precisely "the government" in the person of Circuit Judge George Greer, who decreed that "the law of this case is that this girl will die". It was the private citizens in the person of Terri Schindler-Schiavo's parents and siblings who were prevented from effectively appealing this dictatorial decree (by the legal impossibility of getting the case ever reassigned to any other agent of the goverment, a judge, because of the way the government sets the rules).

So in fact the question is not really "should the government be involved in such cases" -- but "how in the world do you get the government from having total control"?

50 posted on 01/29/2006 10:54:56 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian (A bioh)
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