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Evidence That 2004 Election Was Stolen
NewsMax.com ^ | Jan. 20, 2006 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 01/30/2006 8:17:56 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot

As coincidence would have it, Mark Crispin Miller's new book, "Fooled Again" (Basic Books), documenting the Republican theft of the 2004 presidential election, arrived in the same mail delivery with the Jan. 12 edition of the Defuniak Springs Herald, the locally owned weekly newspaper in a Florida panhandle county seat.

The Florida panhandle is thoroughgoing Republican. Even Democrats run as Republicans. Nevertheless, the newspaper's editor, Ron Kelley, believes that American political life is measured by something larger than party affiliation. In his editorial, "The Shepherds and the Sheep," Kelley reports that two Florida counties have banned any further use of Diebold voting machines after witnessing a professional demonstration that the machines, contrary to Diebold's claim, are easily hacked to record votes differently from the way in which they are cast by voters.

The pre-election statement by Diebold's CEO that he would work to deliver the election to Bush was apparently no idle boast. In five states where the new "foolproof" electronic voting machines were used, the vote tallies differed substantially from the exit polls. Such a disparity is unusual. The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million. (OMG, what a stupid thing to say!!)

Miller describes considerably more election fraud than voting machines programmed to count a proportion of Kerry votes as Bush votes. Voters were disenfranchised in a number of ways. Miller reports incidences of intimidation of, and reduced voting opportunities for, poorer voters who tend to vote Democrat.

Some of Miller's evidence is circumstantial. However, he documents widespread Republican dirty tricks and foul play. The media's indifference to a stolen election burns Miller as much as the stolen election itself.

Miller is not alone in his concerns. The nonpartisan U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), in response to a congressional request, investigated a number of complaints regarding the electronic voting machines.

Here are some of the problems noted in the GAO's September 2005 report:

Some voting machines did not encrypt cast ballots or system audit logs, and it was possible to alter both without being detected.

It was possible to alter the machines so that a ballot cast for one candidate would be recorded for another.

Vendors installed uncertified versions of voting system software at the local level.

Access was easily compromised and did not require a widespread conspiracy. A small handful of people is sufficient to steal an election. Curiously, the media have shown no interest in the GAO report. In my opinion, a free press has proven to be inconsistent with the recently permitted highly concentrated corporate ownership of the U.S. media.

The electronic voting machines leave virtually no paper trail, and their use involves private, potentially partisan corporations tabulating the votes with proprietary software that is not transparent.

A number of counties in various states have decided to return to paper ballots that can be verified and recounted. But now that Republicans have learned that they can use the electronic machines to control election outcomes, the disenfranchisement of Democrats is likely to be a permanent feature of American "democracy."

Other reports claim that the undersampling by pollsters of Democratic voters creates a percentage bias that exaggerates the number of Republican voters by as much as 5 percent, thus providing cover for vote fraud. If hard-to-reach Democratic voters, such as the working poor, are less likely to answer telephones, polls can create the illusion that there are more Republican voters than in fact exist.

If the electronic voting machines are then rigged to shift 5 percent or 6 percent of the vote to the Republican candidate, the result is not at odds with the expected result and can be used as "evidence" to counter the divergence between exit polls and vote tally.

The outcome of the 2004 presidential election has always struck me as strange. Although Kerry was a poor candidate and evaded the issue most on the public's mind, by November 2004 a majority of Americans were aware that Bush had led the country into a gratuitous war on the basis either of incompetence or deception.

By November 2004, it was completely clear that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction and that Bush had rushed to war. People were concerned by the changing rationales that Bush was offering for going to war. Moreover, the needless war was going badly, and the results bore no relationship to the rosy scenario painted at the time of the invasion. It seems contrary to American common sense for voters to have re-elected a president who had failed in such a dramatic way.

Miller directs our attention to Bush's high-handed treatment of dissenters. If electronic voting machines programmed by private Republican firms remain in our future, dissent will become pointless unless it boils over into revolution. Power-mad Republicans need to consider the result when democracy loses its legitimacy and only the rich have anything to lose.

COPYRIGHT 2006 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assclown; bats; bonkers; bookreview; bushvictory; conspiracytheory; cuckoo; diebold; fooledagain; gwb2004; kerrydefeat; loco; mad; morethorazineplease; nuts; offhischump; paulcraigroberts
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I know that PCR lovers point to his biography: During 1981-82 he served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. How can conservatives criticize him? He served in the Reagan administration!!!

Did anyone ever wonder why he only lasted 2 years? Maybe they realized he was a huge nutjob and asked him to leave?

1 posted on 01/30/2006 8:17:57 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama; nopardons; Petronski

PCR needs more anti-psychotics!!!


2 posted on 01/30/2006 8:18:45 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Someone get this guy a psychiatrist, and get help to LET...IT...GO!
3 posted on 01/30/2006 8:21:43 AM PST by NordP (Karl Rove's b-day is Dec 25th. It seems a great carpenter values a good architect ;-)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Ok based on your logic then President Bush can run for President for another term? Right? What you say about those apples?


4 posted on 01/30/2006 8:21:47 AM PST by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Some of Miller's evidence is circumstantial

So, throw it out.....show me CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE

What's that ya say....you don't have any?

5 posted on 01/30/2006 8:21:49 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Another proud member of the reality-based community!
6 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:00 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I guess the next time Dem voters prove unable to operate a butterfly ballot properly, they should be a little more careful when asking for a replacement voting mechanizm.


7 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:01 AM PST by happyathome
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To: Toddsterpatriot

We stole it fair and square.


8 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I wonder if he mentions anything about the voting machines in Philadelphia that had over 2000 Dem votes in them before the polls opened?


9 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:15 AM PST by Ikemeister
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Send the DUmmies a copy; it'll be fun to watch their little heads explode.


10 posted on 01/30/2006 8:22:58 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

" The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million. "

All polls are "wrong".


11 posted on 01/30/2006 8:23:15 AM PST by Buck W. (John Kerry: The Emir of Absurdistan.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What a bunch of Bravo Sierra! All I have to say to this guy is this...

Do you always have whine with your cheese?

12 posted on 01/30/2006 8:23:16 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Someone tell PCR to go peddle crazy somewhere else, 'cuz we're overstocked here.


13 posted on 01/30/2006 8:23:38 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; PJ-Comix
I BEEEELLLLLLIIIIIIIIEEEEEVVVVVEEEEEEE!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=411310&mesg_id=411310

 

14 posted on 01/30/2006 8:23:57 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I've always had a theory that the Democrats were aggressive on this subject to deflect attention away from their own massive vote fraud in places like Philadelphia, St. Louis, Madison, Wisconsin, Broward County, Florida, etc.


15 posted on 01/30/2006 8:24:46 AM PST by Ikemeister
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The only thing that this article shows is that somebody stole PCR's mind, if he ever had one. I guess his hate for the president has finally made his head explode.


16 posted on 01/30/2006 8:25:43 AM PST by beandog (Poor, poor Pinkos. Beat at your own little game)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million."

Someone needs to tell them that's why you don't use exit polling to call elections. You actually count the votes. And why no mention of the state of Pennsylvania where the city of Philadelphia was clearly using voter fraud so that Kerry would carry the state?
17 posted on 01/30/2006 8:25:47 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Visited Ground Zero over the weekend and was handed a leaflet claiming that the WTC was brought down by means of a conspiracy between Bush,Cheney and Halliburton.

As the late Jerry Williams,a great Boston talk host would say when he got a call from a nutcase...."they're out there".

18 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:02 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I live in Wisconsin and if you would have done an exit poll in my town Bush should have won Wisconsin with 75% of the vote.


19 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:10 AM PST by LukeL
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Hmmm, the last week of Oct 04 I was in Canton, Akron, Warren, Youngstown, Ohio.

Last week I passed Diebold's office on Valley View in Buena Park, Ca.

Could there be a connection?

NOOO!

But I hope the libs keep going more and more insane. The cliff is just yards away.
20 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:13 AM PST by A message
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The pre-election statement by Diebold's CEO that he would work to deliver the election to Bush was apparently no idle boast. In five states where the new "foolproof" electronic voting machines were used, the vote tallies differed substantially from the exit polls. Such a disparity is unusual. The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million.

Hmmm - and exit polls had Chavez losing in Venezuala and Fatah winning for the Palestinians. The network consortium that used to conduct exit polls was disbanded because of problems with those polls. Gee, Paul maybe something is wrong with exit polling - ya think?

Meanwhile, in the main state that the nutbars say was stolen - Ohio - only fifteen percent of the counties had computerized voting machines. Most of those were in Dem-controlled counties. And only one was in a county where the machines were from a Diebold subsidiary -and that was in a county with middlin' population.

So, in other words, to a sane person, there is no way the GOP could have used machines to steal Ohio. So what does that say about PCR?

21 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:49 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No barf alert?


22 posted on 01/30/2006 8:26:52 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This is too stupid for all but the most gullible.


23 posted on 01/30/2006 8:27:06 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"we wuz robbed by Boooosh."

See how far that mantra takes you moonbats.


24 posted on 01/30/2006 8:27:31 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Did anyone ever wonder why he only lasted 2 years? Maybe they realized he was a huge nutjob and asked him to leave?

Ala the buchanans.

BTW, bay buchanan runs tom tancredo's PAC

25 posted on 01/30/2006 8:27:51 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The media's indifference to a stolen election burns Miller as much as the stolen election itself.

That's about all I needed to read to know the author was wearing a tin foil hat while he was typing.

26 posted on 01/30/2006 8:27:59 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: RockinRight
No barf alert?

Paul Craig Roberts = barf alert.

27 posted on 01/30/2006 8:29:08 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Bush is truly blessed by the idiocy of his enemies.

I would really love to have more time to get after Bush for his positions on spending and illegal immigration. But the left and the whackjob right spend so much energy attacking Bush with nonsense that I feel compelled to debunk this crap as it comes out. Unfortunately, the GOP must see that as support for their positions.

28 posted on 01/30/2006 8:29:17 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Of course the election was stolen. That is the only way to explain why the American people voted against a candidate who:

-Supported, gay marriage, abortion on demand, and euthenasia.
-Betrayed his country by undermining its efforts in Southeast Asia.
-Lied about his war record in Southeast Asia and refused to release his records (still waiting).
-Had a "secret" plan for Iraq that really was just to cut and run, as was done in Southeast Asia.
-Voted for funding our troops fighting in Iraq, before voting against it.
-Was against SUV's even though he drives one.
-Thought tax cuts only favored the rich even though they revived the economy and everyone received one.
-Believed the War on Terror was not really a war and should be handled by issuing arrest warrants and using law enforcement.
-Decried that the President had lied about WMD's in Iraq even though he was on record as saying Iraq had WMD's.
-Advocated turning over our national defense to the United Nations (read, France).

Yes, how could such a brilliant and superior candidate have lost!?!? Something was clearly wrong here as the exit polls, conducted by the ever neutral MSM, clearly showed that candidate to have won by a landslide. Call John Conyers, lets get some hearings going on this!!!!


29 posted on 01/30/2006 8:29:45 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Wasn't it the dums inability to vote with paper ballots that led to the electronic machines?

I notice how outraged he was about the Washington state Gov election...
30 posted on 01/30/2006 8:29:47 AM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

"...However, he documents widespread Republican dirty tricks and foul play..."

Ah. Like vandalizing vans meant to take voters to the polls on election day?


31 posted on 01/30/2006 8:30:07 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Of course, my mistake!


32 posted on 01/30/2006 8:30:33 AM PST by RockinRight (Attention RNC...we're the party of Reagan, not FDR...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Miller is not alone in his concerns. The nonpartisan U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO), in response to a congressional request, investigated a number of complaints regarding the electronic voting machines.

I'll bet PCR also believes that Elvis is alive and living with the same aliens who built the pyramids. PCR leaves no doubt about the state of his mental competence.

33 posted on 01/30/2006 8:31:01 AM PST by Mase
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To: Toddsterpatriot

If he has such a faith in exit polls why isn't has concerned about Florida in 2000 that had Bush winning?


34 posted on 01/30/2006 8:31:33 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million.

Show me one time when exit polls are 100% right.

All polls are wrong to some extent. Add in a flawed model (and in this case, results taken only partway through voting!), and they'll be even more wrong. Have them all done by the same organization, and, if it's wrong in one place, it's probably going to be off in another.

'A million to one?' Let's see the math on that one.

35 posted on 01/30/2006 8:31:49 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Buck W.

Like the exit polls that showed Hamas being trounced by Fatah? Exit polls are routinely wrong.


36 posted on 01/30/2006 8:33:39 AM PST by mak5
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How sad that they must dwell on fantasies for their loss and not the truth of it..Americans don't trust Democrats to protect the country. Indeed close your eyes and listen to Osama's latest rant about Bush's illegal war and his diminishing popularity..He could had gotten them straight from Ted's; John's, Harry's, and Nancy's democratic point paper.

Americans will never cede their safety over to the likes of Murtha, Rangle and Conyers...Americans may be many things but we're not suicidal
37 posted on 01/30/2006 8:33:46 AM PST by Cliff h2 (OH PLEASE)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Have you answered properly, or do you believe that this claim is covered by the constitution?


38 posted on 01/30/2006 8:33:49 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Bwahahahahahah....

These guys are too funny. They are STILL absolutely clueless that they lost! CLUELESS. They simply cannot come to grips with REALITY. Bwahahahhahahahah.

It's like they have post traumatic stress syndrome. I mean, walk up behind these people and yell "Bush" and watch them fall to the floor, curl up in a fetal position, and whimper about some election being stolen from them. On...my...gosh.

39 posted on 01/30/2006 8:34:17 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: FlipWilson
If it was stolen it was done so for the good of the country. The alternative (Kerry) is too frightening for words. Sometimes people need to be saved from themselves.

By the way, I do NOT believe the election was "stolen".

40 posted on 01/30/2006 8:34:33 AM PST by Russ
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To: All

Wow, if this article is correct, that's means that ol' Bush has snookered the Democrats two elections in a row.

And they call him dumb!


41 posted on 01/30/2006 8:35:08 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If electronic voting machines programmed by private Republican firms remain in our future, dissent will become pointless unless it boils over into revolution. Power-mad Republicans need to consider the result when democracy loses its legitimacy and only the rich have anything to lose.

Music rises to crescendo. Viva la revolution!

42 posted on 01/30/2006 8:38:04 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Toddsterpatriot; BevHarris

OMG!!!!Someone needs to ping Bev Harris.


43 posted on 01/30/2006 8:39:25 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Why do we even bother with counting the ballots? Why not just have the election decided by the exit polls?

I believe the 2004 election was stolen--in Washington State (governor's race). Also some of the states where Kerry won narrowly probably should have gone to Bush, except for ballot-stuffing by the Democratic political machines.

44 posted on 01/30/2006 8:39:27 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Evidence That 2004 Election Was Stolen

DUmmies: "We haven't even gotten over 2000 yet and now this! Where are our MEDS?!?!?"

45 posted on 01/30/2006 8:40:25 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: dirtboy

good post. That is one of the conundrums of conservatives.


46 posted on 01/30/2006 8:40:36 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Michael81Dus
Have you answered properly, or do you believe that this claim is covered by the constitution?

I'm not sure I understand your point.It was,in fact,my teenage nephew who received the leaflet,he showed it to me a little while later.And under our our Constitution,a person is allowed to claim pretty much whatever he/she wants.

This,I believe,often isn't the case in other parts of the world....being one who "denies" the Holocaust in certain parts of Europe comes to mind.

47 posted on 01/30/2006 8:42:52 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Some of these nutjobs are so wrapped up in an Anti-Semitism/Jew conspiracy influenza they can't even pretend to sound rational. He and Buchanan ought to go on a cruise together.


48 posted on 01/30/2006 8:43:27 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Paul Craig Roberts...Hmmmm, like we give a damn what you say.


49 posted on 01/30/2006 8:44:16 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than anyone will ever know. He's A++)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million.

This is as crazy as Bill Clinton winning with 43% of the vote and shortly after the election polls appeared proclaiming 58% approval rating.


50 posted on 01/30/2006 8:44:39 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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