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Evidence That 2004 Election Was Stolen
NewsMax.com ^ | Jan. 20, 2006 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 01/30/2006 8:17:56 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot

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To: Toddsterpatriot
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk! We sure pulled the wool over their eyes!
51 posted on 01/30/2006 8:46:31 AM PST by zook
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To: All

I have never been asked to participate in an exit poll. Even if I would have been asked, I doubt I would have answered, or I might not even answer truthfully ("Mickey Mouse!"). So how can exit polls even be considered remotely accurate?


52 posted on 01/30/2006 8:48:04 AM PST by Horkster
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To: Toddsterpatriot
U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO)

Confusion w/ the govt. accounting office (GAO) ???

53 posted on 01/30/2006 8:49:02 AM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: Obadiah
They are STILL absolutely clueless that they lost!

They will do anything to keep from examining the possibility that their positions on issues are what is losing elections.

54 posted on 01/30/2006 8:49:27 AM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So...President Gore stole the election from Kerry?

Those fun-loving imps on du say the silliest things.

55 posted on 01/30/2006 8:50:00 AM PST by FreedomFarmer (Beyond the sidewalks, past the pavement, in the real America.)
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To: tertiary01
OMG!!!!Someone needs to ping Bev Harris.

I thought I read somewhere that the rats are getting tired of her act and think she played her contributers for money.

56 posted on 01/30/2006 8:51:19 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Ikemeister

wonder if he mentions anything about the voting machines in Philadelphia that had over 2000 Dem votes in them before the polls opened?


--Or the cigs for votes in Milwaukee.


57 posted on 01/30/2006 8:52:05 AM PST by edgrimly78
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Evidence? There is not one shred of proof in this whole article. It is all speculation and innuendo.


58 posted on 01/30/2006 8:53:22 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Miller reports incidences of intimidation of, and reduced voting opportunities for, poorer voters who tend to vote Democrat.

Democrats were only allowed to vote once per election and dead Democrats were not allowed to vote at all!

59 posted on 01/30/2006 8:53:28 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: Dane
"Ala the buchanans.

BTW, bay buchanan runs tom tancredo's PAC"

I heard Pat Buchanan on the McGlauphlen (sp?)Group on PBS this weekend, actually defending the Palestinians and saying how downtrodden they've been and how Israel and the USA has spurred on their terrorist activities because of how subjugated they are. (Or something to that effect).

It was absolutely appalling.
60 posted on 01/30/2006 8:55:50 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow (Oust the IslamoCommies here and abroad.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The outcome of the 2004 presidential election has always struck me as strange ...

"... because I did not vote for Bush and do not know anyone who did."

61 posted on 01/30/2006 8:56:20 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

What about "stay out da bushes"?


62 posted on 01/30/2006 9:10:28 AM PST by freeplancer
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To: Lx

You are correct. The Dems demanded state-of-the-art electronic voting machines after the Florida debacle. The were especially concerned that Minority voting districts get them first.


63 posted on 01/30/2006 9:13:22 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: A message
Hmmm, the last week of Oct 04 I was in Canton, Akron, Warren, Youngstown, Ohio.

You forgot that stop for lunch and gas in Barberton. We saw you put $.50 in the Beacon-Journal machine and grab 3 papers too!

Last week I passed Diebold's office on Valley View in Buena Park, Ca.

And 10 miles per hour over the speed limit I might add.

Could there be a connection?

None established yet. But we're following you everywhere go. Be careful.

64 posted on 01/30/2006 9:15:07 AM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Horkster

I've been working the polls on election day in my Ward for over ten years and have never even heard of anyone being asked or have noticed the presence of a pollster.


65 posted on 01/30/2006 9:15:22 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Sweetjustusnow

The Palestinians are bums. They think that the Pyramids are a pile of rocks that have yet to be thrown.
How do you get a Palestinian kid to throw a rock?
Point a TV camera at him.


66 posted on 01/30/2006 9:17:23 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

This is GREAT - Will Pitt is BACK!!!

Gotta love those DU moonbats - they keep me amused.


67 posted on 01/30/2006 9:19:03 AM PST by andyland (www..rightofgray.blogspot.com Rocks!)
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To: All

...all I have to say.

68 posted on 01/30/2006 9:20:15 AM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: Ghengis

LOL!!!!

By the way NSA , that was 4 papers and 12 miles over the speed limit. Geez, get it right!


69 posted on 01/30/2006 9:25:22 AM PST by A message
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To: massgopguy

70 posted on 01/30/2006 9:26:59 AM PST by skikvt
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To: Toddsterpatriot
This crap drives me crazy.

How the heck can we function if we have no confidence in our electoral system. We can do better.

We should have a way to verify the integrity of the numbers. The problem is obvious: We need a way for a voter to verify that their vote was cast correctly. The easiest way is for the voter to be able to keep their ballot and then go on line to verify that the vote was actually recorded correctly.

But then we open ourselves to voter intimidation, which is unacceptable. Can't you just see the union thugs collecting the ballots to enforce reprisals if incorrect votes were cast?

We should be able to use technology to protect our vote. Something like this:

Each voter is assigned a perminant public key encryption code along with a private key. All votes cast are encrypted and published as an official record. Using a voter's public key, you can figure out which vote is his, but you cannot determine who he voted for. Instead, there is a number that is an encrypted key that the government uses (along with the supervisor of election's private key) to unlock his actual vote for tabulation. The government cannot determine whose vote is being counted with the voter's private key, but they can publish the encrypted number (a very big number) as proof of integrity. Now, suppose the fraud is suspected.

First, there will always be a one to one correspondence between votes cast and encrypted numbers published.

Second, any voter can go to a private booth at the supervisor of elections office, enter the number published in the newspaper (that represents their vote), then enter their private key, and see the vote that was actually tabulated as their vote. If this vote deviates from how the voter thought they voted, a link to the paper ballot can be produced (because the voter is authorizing it) by the supervisor's office and a comparison can be made. You could even take a picture of the person holding up the ballot where the votes can be seen. This image is then encrypted and can only be decrypted by the voter.

This accomplishes privacy, accountability, non-deniability, and a paper trail.
71 posted on 01/30/2006 9:27:55 AM PST by BillCompton
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To: Toddsterpatriot

An evil doppelganger has taken over PCR's brain. I used to agree with about every word he wrote but in the past couple of years he's really gone off the rails. Total Loony Toones.


72 posted on 01/30/2006 9:28:26 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

It seems to me these machines are safer than people trying to look at dimpled chads.

And I'd remind the author of this book it is Republicans who are in favor of Voter ID cards and the democrats who are opposed. There is a reason for that, and it has to do with the fraud the Rats try to perpetuate in every election.


73 posted on 01/30/2006 9:29:08 AM PST by Peach
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To: Toddsterpatriot

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


74 posted on 01/30/2006 9:31:29 AM PST by Schichtel (Scorch)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million

They weren't wrong, they were just reported before they were properly adjusted to reflect the disparities in the sample demographics vs. the demographics of the people who actually voted.

75 posted on 01/30/2006 9:32:20 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
In 2000, Big Media announces that the polls are closed in Florida when they were still open for another hour on the pan handle. In 2004, Big Media starts leaking out exit polls in the early afternoon on election day that indicate erroneously that Kerry is winning big. Both reports were bogus and both could have had the effect of deterring Bush voters from voting. Coincidence? I think not. And yet, the moonbats accuse of the GOP of stealing elections.
76 posted on 01/30/2006 9:37:09 AM PST by Airborne1986 (Well, you can do what you want to us. But we're not going to sit here while you badmouth the U.S.A.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

OK. WHo's got the "Oh No, Not this S##t Again" picture.


77 posted on 01/30/2006 9:44:35 AM PST by roaddog727 (P=3/8 A. or, P=plenty...............)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I meant whether you have beaten the guy up, who handed out these sheets. ´t wasn´t meant serious. :-)


78 posted on 01/30/2006 9:49:49 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Toddsterpatriot; aculeus; rdb3; Petronski; hellinahandcart; Constitution Day; Tijeras_Slim; ...

It’s tough to write when all they give you is crayons.


79 posted on 01/30/2006 9:53:14 AM PST by dighton
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To: Michael81Dus
I meant whether you have beaten the guy up, who handed out these sheets. ´t wasn´t meant serious. :-)

OK,I understand now.No,I didn't beat the guy up.If you beat up everyone in New York who expressed stupid ideas,you'd never have time to do anything else! ;-)

80 posted on 01/30/2006 9:56:10 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Confusion w/ the govt. accounting office (GAO) ???

New name. From http://www.gao.gov/about/namechange.html

GAO's Name Change and Other Provisions of the GAO Human Capital Reform Act of 2004

Effective July 7, 2004, the GAO's legal name became the Government Accountability Office. The change, which better reflects the modern professional services organization GAO has become, is the most visible provision of the GAO Human Capital Reform Act of 2004, Pub. L. 108-271, 118 Stat. 811 (2004).

81 posted on 01/30/2006 10:18:12 AM PST by KarlInOhio (During wartime, some whistles should not be blown. - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Did anyone ever wonder why he only lasted 2 years? Maybe they realized he was a huge nutjob and asked him to leave?

He's probably writing this drivel from some cabin way out in the woods in Nowhere, Montana.

82 posted on 01/30/2006 10:21:00 AM PST by Allegra (You Won't Find the Meaning of Life in This Tagline....at Least Not Today.)
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To: Ikemeister

and King County, Washington.


83 posted on 01/30/2006 10:27:39 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: A message
By the way NSA , that was 4 papers and 12 miles over the speed limit. Geez, get it right!

Correcting the record:

a) It takes 4 Akron Beacon-Journals to be the equivalent of 3 normal newspapers. Despite the sorry state of the print media today, the Beacon-Journal is worse. Hence, we counted the 4 as 3.
b) You obviously only glanced at your speedometer when you were traveling at that rate of speed. Over 10 miles, you averaged 10 mph over the limit.

A quick question to ensure the legitimacy of this surviellance; You have been in contact with a foreign national in the last 30 days, correct?

84 posted on 01/30/2006 10:34:17 AM PST by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Ghengis
You have been in contact with a foreign national in the last 30 days, correct?

ROTLFMAO

It is true that have had an e-mail exchange with a foreign national in the past 30 days.

I will begin packing for my vacation at Club Gitmo. Please meet me at my front door so I may surrender.

PS, please smash in the door when you come by in your black Crown Victoria so my wife doesn't become suspicious.

85 posted on 01/30/2006 10:50:58 AM PST by A message
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To: Ikemeister
I've always had a theory that the Democrats were aggressive on this subject to deflect attention away from their own massive vote fraud in places like Philadelphia, St. Louis, Madison, Wisconsin, Broward County, Florida, etc.

CHICAGO too!

86 posted on 01/30/2006 10:53:19 AM PST by 101st-Eagle (The ACLU is a communist organization posing as a liberty fighter.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So Bush has stolen not only one, but TWO elections? And in a row, no less! LOLOL
87 posted on 01/30/2006 10:54:57 AM PST by gop_gene
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To: gop_gene
So Bush has stolen not only one, but TWO elections? And in a row, no less! LOLOL

It's easy, once you get the hang of it.

88 posted on 01/30/2006 11:01:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Diebold! Diebold! Isn't the chief evidence that the dem didn't win? That's really all it comes down to.


89 posted on 01/30/2006 11:06:14 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances and it advances relentlessly freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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Although Kerry was a poor candidate and evaded the issue most on the public's mind,

"He was otherwise my favorite candidate" That's nice Paul, time for your afternoon pill. That's a good boy! I brought you your jello, lemon, your favorite.

90 posted on 01/30/2006 11:11:57 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: KarlInOhio
Thanks.

I missed the announcement

The new PC name will, no doubt, result in a much more efficient govt.

91 posted on 01/30/2006 11:13:15 AM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I don't usually read Mr. Roberts, anymore.

I hadn't realized that he'd gone off the deep end.

Perhaps we could take up a collection to get him some medication.


92 posted on 01/30/2006 11:19:41 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I figured they were talking about Washington state


93 posted on 01/30/2006 11:40:49 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So the bottom line is that the machines made it easier for Dems to cheat but they lost anyway.

Which party pushed to use the machines?


94 posted on 01/30/2006 11:42:40 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Which party pushed to use the machines?

Don't you know that being a Democrat means never having to admit you f***ed up?

95 posted on 01/30/2006 11:44:24 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million.

Oh, please. I'd just LOVE to ask the author just how he came up with this one. LOL

96 posted on 01/30/2006 12:06:45 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: conservativecorner
This claim is made over and over by Republicans who simply don't want to accept the fact that while Pennsylvania is a conservative state, it is also a Democrat state. I used to believe it myself, but it is simply not true. There are plenty of irregularities in Philadelphia, but believe me, the Philly Republicans watch the precincts very very carefully.

Republicans will continue to lose in PA until they get their message to the Philly suburbs and to ethnic Roman Catholics in coal country. Everyone knows we lose Philly, heavily. We make up for that in the rest of the state, but in the last two elections we simply have been clobbered by the five counties surrounding the city. Time to stop blaming fraud, learn from our mistakes and get the message to the suburbs.

97 posted on 01/30/2006 12:08:16 PM PST by FredZarguna (Vilings Stuned my Beeber: Or, How I Learned to Live with Embarrassing NoSpellCheck Titles.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Paul Craig Roberts has been drinking moonbat juice. I don't know how he can reconcile the Left's wild fantasies with the evidence. The bottom line is there's no proof the election was stolen. But some people are apparently willing to believe just about anything, if it bolsters their prejudices. After all, it was all BUSH'S FAULT! PEST still lives on, nearly two years after the election.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

98 posted on 01/30/2006 12:11:03 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; All
The chances of exit polls in five states being wrong are no more than one in a million

If the chances are no more than one in a million, that's the same as saying the chances are less than one in a million!

That basically means the chances can be only UP TO one in a million, which means it could even be as low as a 50/50 chance or even LESS that the polls were wrong!

I'll bet he did that on purpose to throw everyone off!

99 posted on 01/30/2006 12:43:45 PM PST by RogerWilko
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To: RogerWilko
If the chances are no more than one in a million, that's the same as saying the chances are less than one in a million!

I have noticed that protectionists are notoriously bad at math.

100 posted on 01/30/2006 12:46:11 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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