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Posted on 01/30/2006 1:18:40 PM PST by SJackson
Hamas Leader Khaled Mash'al Presents Hamas Plan on Al-Jazeera TV: "We are Committed to... the Resistance and Adhere to its Weapons... As for Recognizing [Israel] and Amending Our Charter - Hamas is Not the Kind of Movement That Succumbs to Pressure... We Will Not Recognize it, No Matter how Much Time Passes... We Believe in Acting According to Stages..."
The following are excerpts from an address by Hamas leader Khaled Mash’al at a press conference that aired January 29, 2006 on Al-Jazeera TV.
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Hamas Leader Khaled Mash'al: "Some people believe it is impossible to combine resistance with politics. As long as we are an occupied people, resistance is our natural right."
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"I say to the American administration, to the Europeans, and the international community, which make all these demands, like stopping the resistance - or stopping 'terrorism,' as they call it - and to disarm… I say to them: If you have a problem with the factions' weapons, we are prepared to unite the Palestinian weapons based on Palestinian understandings, and to form an army, like any other country, even though our country is not yet independent. We will form an army like all independent countries. We will conduct reforms within our society, with democracy, pluralism, with partnership, and clean administration, which are the slogans of international and Western society, and at the same time, we will have an army, which will protect our people from aggression and will strive to recapture Palestinian rights. Other countries have this, so why should the Palestinians be deprived of this? There is no contradiction between the two. As for the PLO, as I have said, for some time we have been striving to rebuild the organization. We will move faster, reach understandings with our brothers in the PLO. We are all convinced of the need to reform and revive the PLO, so it can become a Palestinian home for all, and a source of authority, in and out of [the Palestinian territories]."
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"The Palestinian people has chosen Hamas with its known stances. If America wants to negotiate with Hamas - it is most welcome, but based on the positions for which the people chose us. If Europe wants to negotiate with Hamas - it is most welcome, but based on the choice of the Palestinian people. However, they must not impose conditions on us. Our internal affairs must not be subject to extortion and external pressure."
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"The Legislative Council is one of the Oslo Accords' political frameworks, but the Oslo plan is over. It is no longer effective, and no one follows it anymore, and I don't think our people will accept the revival of Oslo, after it has been buried and eulogized by all."
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"We will not accept any formula that undermines some or all of our rights. In other words, we are committed to the liberation of the land and to Jerusalem. We will not agree to any kind of disregard [of our right] to Jerusalem. We are more committed to Jerusalem than Sharon and the enemy leaders. We are committed to the right of return and to our rejection of the settlements. We are committed to the resistance and adhere to its weapons. These are our choices and our fundamental principles, which the Palestinian people supported even before the elections. In the elections, I believe, the Palestinian people clearly demonstrated this support, in a democratic manner. No one should accuse us of being out of line or singing out of tune. There are internal Palestinian agreements. True, the Palestinian Authority was founded on the basis of the Oslo Accords. We recognize that this is a reality, and we will deal with it with the utmost realism, but without neglecting our fundamental principles and our rights. We will honor any agreement or commitment, as long as they benefit our people and do not infringe upon its rights. In other words, we will honor our Palestinian commitments, provided they serve our people and do not infringe upon its rights, and we will not accept dictates. This is, very clearly, our position. We are capable of maintaining this position, despite all the pressure. As for recognizing [Israel] and amending our charter - Hamas is not the kind of movement that succumbs to pressure. The occupation has no legitimacy. We will not recognize it, no matter how much time passes. We will never recognize the occupation as legitimate, and we will not give up on our rights. However, we are realistic, and we know things are done gradually, in stages. "
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"America may not recognize a certain country, yet it succumbs to reality. Today we, the Palestinians, do not recognize the legitimacy of the occupation, but this does not mean I want to abolish Israel in a matter of moments. I have a plan of commitment to my land and my rights."
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"Succumbing to the will and pressure of others is unacceptable, but by our own decision, we can either calm or escalate the situation, depending on what is required at each stage. But if anyone expects Hamas to agree to take steps that it would not agree to in the past, I say clearly, brothers and sisters: We will not withdraw from our fundamental principles, from our rights and our strategic goals. The map of Palestine, for any Hamas member and for any Palestinian, is the well-known Palestinian map, just like any European or American - if you ask him about his country's map, he says to you: 'My country's map is this and that...' When they bring us someone from Europe or America who is willing to give up his country's map, and accepts a distorted map - come back to us then. The Palestinian rights remain intact. But we believe in acting according to stages, gradually and realistically, and we have the ability to obtain our rights, step by step. We will establish our state on any piece of land we liberate, providing we have real sovereignty over this land, Allah willing."
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"Our presence in the Legislative Council and in the Palestinian political system will strengthen and protect the resistance, and not harm it. I do not agree that there is a dispute over the resistance. Resistance, in all monotheistic religions, and in international laws and conventions, is the right of any people subject to occupation."
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"If people raise the issue of targeting civilians - we have said and we continue to say that when our enemy stops targeting civilians, we will make the same commitment. Ten years ago, we made such an initiative, but Israel rejected it. That is why we must respond in kind. Resistance will remain a possible option, which enjoys international consent."
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"There is a difference between regarding the period of calm as divergence from the resistance - which will never happen - and regarding the period of calm as one of the tactics of the resistance. "
They could just as well submit the DNC platform from the last election. Save everybody a lot of time.........
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Whatever dude. Enjoy living without the American's dime.
This is going to get real ugly real fast.
Looks like there's a new "Mash'al" in town, only this one, unlike the ones in the Old West, is likely to get himself and everyone he knows killed.
Now Mr. Khaled Ali-Sahab Skyhook, here is our plan. You die.
Bump for later read
If Nancy Pelosi ever loses her seat, she can go be a Hamas delegate. Although they'll make her cover her face (and pretend it's for Islamic reasons).
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January 28, 2006
"Call and Response"
map of palestine? Where did they get it, from Roman archives? Are they including Samaria and Jordan? The Roman census included those areas and dubbed the place palestine, which meant, terrible place.
map of palestine? Where did they get it, from Roman archives? Are they including Samaria and Jordan? The Roman census included those areas and dubbed the place palestine, which meant, terrible place.
Sad, but true.
Pretty heady after the elections. Let's see how it goes without US/EU funding...
They voted for war. Give it to them.
He says Hamas does everything in stages, I guess they are getting to the stage where they get the hell beat out of them.
Terrorists are great at destroying and tearing down but they can't handle the orderly running of day to day normality. They are geared to fighting, not ruling in a rational and realistic manner.
Gaza will have a standard of living similar to Rwanda and Mali before too much longer.
Between Hamas and Iran's moonbat president, looks like Israel is gonna get ready for Armageddon......
That would be a vast improvement. Zimbabwe is more like it.......
Exit, stage LEFT..........
So are they going to give it to the Turks, the British, the Romans, the Greeks, the Hasmoneans, the Babylonians, the Hittites, the Egyptians or the Mesopotamians?
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USA should move it's embassy from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem.
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I've heard that crazy idea before :>)
The 2000 Republican platform as well. Campaign promises are made to be forgotten, particularly when speaking of legal and moral obligations.
The Middle East and Persian Gulf
we must ensure that Israel remains safe and secure.
It is important for the United States to support and honor Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East. We will ensure that Israel maintains a qualitative edge in defensive technology over any potential adversaries. We will not pick sides in Israeli elections. The United States has a moral and legal obligation to maintain its Embassy and Ambassador in Jerusalem. Immediately upon taking office, the next Republican president will begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Israel's capital, Jerusalem.
....*sighs*....
Old joke: Headline no one is surprised to see "Mideast Peace Talks Stall"
At least we are dealing with an open enemy. Can't wait to see how the liberals defend this one. I assure you, it won't suprise me when they do, throwing out words like "democratically elected" and the like.
Only the dumb Infidels like Bush and Clinton to name a few, think agreements with Muslims mean anything. They don't take them seriously. HAMAS is very straightforward in their intentions. It's just that us Infidels don't want to believe it. - Tom
From Article 13 of HAMAS covenant
There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with.
Per the CIA factbook, GDP per capita in Rwanda is $1,300, Mali $1,000. The 2003 figures for the West Bank (2.4 million population) was $1,100 and Gaza (1.3 million) $600. And that's with more than half their 2003 GDP of $2.5 billion, lower now, coming from foreign aid. They've got a good head start.
I've never understood why Israel has been willing to hand over such large parts of Samaria and Judea after rightly taking them in the Six Day War.
Wouldn't the borders be more easily defended with the Jordan River as the line, instead of allowing pockets of terrorists west of the river in Judea/Samaria?
What reason did Israel have for putting this on the bargaining board? This is traditionally Israeli land, and even after the UN plan (the British Mandate had this land reserved for Israel) took it away, it was retaken only after the Iraqi and Jordanian armies used it to invade Israel in '67.
That's a tough one: do we want them in uniform as a national army so we can declare a war, or do we want them in civvies so we can send them to rendering centers for information extraction?
Well, this puts the peace process entirely to the grave. No matter what concessions the West Bank Authority makes, its ultimate goal is the extinguishment of the government with which it is dealing (Israel).
Israel would be crazy to make a deal with these guys. But actually this is an improvement. The Fattah Party didn't think any differently than Hamas. It just pretended it did. It's helpful to put everybody's cards on the table. The sooner the West Bank has it's own "army", the sooner it can act agressively, and the sooner the Israel security forces can decimate them.
"Palestine is the wrong name for their State. It should be called Anarchy."—FReeper sgtbono2002
"Then let's wait and see what the Arabs do after they take Gaza. There's nothing like Arab reality to break up a Jewish fantasy."—FReeper Noachian
A student told his professor he was going to "Palestine" to "fight for freedom, peace and justice,"—Orwellian leftist code words that mean "murder Jews."
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After all the gunsmoke......only Festus will be left!
""The Palestinian people has chosen Hamas with its known stances. If America wants to negotiate with Hamas - it is most welcome, but based on the positions for which the people chose us. If Europe wants to negotiate with Hamas - it is most welcome, but based on the choice of the Palestinian people."
That's fine. I don't have any problems with that, but with choices come consequences, and I think they're in for some nasty stuff.
And, it's better to deal with an opponent that's clear about their aims than one with hidden agendas.
Things are bound to come to a head sooner than with that old endless peace process.
Hmmm, seems like Mr. Khaled Mash'al is just begging for his car to be rocketted. Looks like he forgot what happened to his 2 illustrious predecessors, Rantisi and Yassin.
On the other hand, muslims by nature have short memories...
I hope the IDF takes this khaled idiot out, and soon.
Me thinks the evolving political landscape in Israel, unfortunately, will not support the type of high profile counter-terrorist strikes we saw under Sharon. Hope I'm wrong though.
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