Posted on 01/30/2006 1:47:10 PM PST by jjm2111
Cop didn't deserve that beating IMHO.
That's right! I hope I didn't leave an impression that I thought he did! I don't htink he was anywhere near falling down drunk, nor was he instigating trouble.
Cops are not perfect. They are your neigbors brother, your coworkers sons, the mailmans sister. THey are human. Like you and I, they will make mistakes. They get crucified here in the press all the time. Read 3 different local papers here in NYC and you will get 3 different versions of what really happened. I don't know about other police depts but NYPD cops mostly get a BAD Rap and they don't deserve it. A terrible tragedy all the way around.
Yeah, I wish some of them would act that way sometimes instead of thinking that they are God II.
Agreed, it was a tragedy.
Been around that area - the Fordham one, also? Ever been to Maxim's?
Moved now up North - me too!
However, those were the days.
Fordham, Boston Rd, Eastchester Ave and the rest of Fort Apache. :)
Back then was a permanent fixture in Orchard Beach.
Orchard Beach - SECTION 13?
Absolutely. He got himself into a bad situation. It's not like I haven't before.
You're right too. He's screwed. His career is over because of this.
Tremont, on the other hand, has been a sh-thole since Robert Moses built the Cross Bronx through it.
Actually, all those "benefits" of moderate alcohol consumption are actually just partial antidotes to other lifestyle-related problems. If you're overweight, moderate alcohol consumption will provide a mild protective effect against the harmful health effects of being overweight, but it's not nearly as beneficial as losing weight, and I've never seen a study that showed any significant benefit from drinking alcohol in people who don't already have some specific medical problem or major risk factor. And the alcohol adds risk factors of its own, as this study shows for example, a linear relationship between alcohol consumption and certain cancers -- it's not just people who are habitually drunk who are harmed.
What are you doing working in Tremont? I thought the only employers there were bodegas and Chinese take-out shops, to say nothing of White Castle.
Orchard Beach, Main section now has weekly live Salsa concerts with hard liquor sold in the refresment section right behind it. The good old days at Orchard are long gone. 90+ degrees + hard alcohol + major trouble. They did make some sections noise free zones. I think down past the handball courts. I just go there for the 4th of July fireworks that were sponsored by Vellela. A lot of old timers still come out for that. (Eek.. I guess I'm getting up there in age) I miss those days...
I vacation in your neighborhood. It's a pleasant, serene neighborhood. Than again I live in Detroit.
I have a factory that we moved there in 1999. We had to get out of the city with the rising rents. Thank God we were out on 911. We brought a building right of the Cross Bronx (Near the big MOTEL sign on Cross Bronx.) Like I said, my street is pretty cool but walk 2 blocks either way and all bets are off.
THe days of being a mfgr in NYC are long gone. Loft space converted to "Suites". I had 10M sq ft in Chelsea paying 7,000. Landlord wanted to raise my rent to 20,000 per month. We left he converted my floor to several different spaces and made a killing.
I miss those days...
Me too. The last time I was at Orchard Beach was when I was 18. However, before that when I couldn't get to Orchard B - hated those long lines for the bus, we caught some rays on tar beach!
Oops, forgot which thread I was on. The alcohol-cancer link is in a study which was released today, and is being discussed on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1568176/posts
A shame they never turned the old Navy Yard into condos.
You said, "he would have been exhausted."
Tired, yes but exhausted is when the will to move is there by the ability isn't. You know what I'm talking about when I say that you just cannot muster up the energy to pick yourself up for that 100th time. It comes after 36 or 40 or 48 hours of continious pushing, not 12.
In general, people who consume alcoholic beverages in moderation have LOWER MORTALITY than teetotallers. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. It's true that most of this reduced mortality is due to alcohol's preventative effects on heart disease; but whether teetotallers as a general population MIGHT prevent their heart disease by some other means (most likely requiring significant additional effort), the fact is, they DON'T.
To repeat: You want to live a bit longer? Drink a little wine. It's good for your heart. Notice I didn't say a lot of wine, I said a little wine. More than 2 or 3 drinks per day, and you INCREASE your likelihood of death from other causes, including cancer.
Anyway, the basic issue here is whether USE of alcoholic beverages EQUALS ABUSE (as you stated). Clearly, moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages DOES NOT equal abuse and in fact has KNOWN, DEMONSTRATED HEALTH BENEFITS for the vast majority of people; =as opposed to complete abstention from alcoholic beverages.=
Now strictly speaking, I wouldn't have to demonstrate that moderate consumption has POSITIVE health benefits for the typical person in order to disprove your assertion - I would simply have to demonstrate no significant negative effects. But I've done MORE than that.
Not that I actually expect you to accept reality and admit, "You're correct" - as to this point in the conversation you've actually given every signal of being so dogmatically prejudiced against even the slightest consumption that I don't expect you to do anything but reject the truth of the matter. I suspect for some reason, you *appear* to be simply incapable of recognizing truth in this area.
So the operative question for me is why.
Allow me to speculate. Either:
* You've been religiously indoctrinated against even moderate consumption of alcoholic beverages. "Drinking (in any amount) is sinful." (Never mind the biblical record; the leaders of my church know best, WE are those who possess the truth).
or...
* You were raised in a family that regarded alcoholic beverages, in any quantity, as "evil."
or...
* Your exposure to information about alcoholic beverages has been heavily weighted by the writings of prohibitionists.
or...
* You have personally experienced, or somebody close to you as experienced, something traumatic as a victim of somebody who abused alcohol.
or...
* You personally have a history of alcohol abuse and/or alcoholism.
One of these has to be the source of your attitude, since it didn't come from an objective look at the facts.
So tell me, which of these is it?
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