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They call them "illegal immigrants" for a reason [Letter to Editor]
North County Times (online) ^ | Friday, January 27, 2006 11:20 AM PST | Steve

Posted on 01/30/2006 4:02:12 PM PST by Gondring

What is it about "illegal" that the so called journalists (aka editorial staff) of the North County Times cannot grasp?

If any of this staff would accurately report the truth, they would mention that groups like the Minutemen and Border Watch are all, without exception, not "anti-immigration" as the NCT falsely portrays them.

These groups and tens of thousands of other concerned citizens and legal immigrants are indeed anti ILLEGAL immigration. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting the laws of our country strictly enforced. We are a nation of immigrants. Our great nation was built to what it has become by hard working immigrants and their descendants who obeyed the law, came here LEGALLY, and worked towards the American dream. It is irresponsible of the NCT editorial staff to falsely portray any group who wants our laws enforced, our borders secured against the trafficing of drugs, terrorists and modern day slaves.

For some reason I doubt there is anyone on the editorial staff to retract their false and misleading charactarization and begin reporting the truth. If wanting our laws enforced and sending representitives to Washington DC who will work towards that end is extremist, then we need lots more extremists to get elected and less so called journalists who wish to lie their way to assisting in the deteroriation of our great nation.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; borderwatch; bush; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; minutemen
Lots of responses to this on the page linked above. I don't know how many papers portray groups against illegal immigration as "anti-immigration" but that would be a good topic to write to the editor about, IMHO.
1 posted on 01/30/2006 4:02:14 PM PST by Gondring
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To: Gondring

...portray groups against illegal immigration as "anti-immigration"...
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It is called LIBERAL SPIN. Turn something ILLEGAL into something LEGAL --- just the typical criminal-supporting libs in action. So predictable.


2 posted on 01/30/2006 4:14:23 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Gondring

I don't think that EVERYONE in the Minutemen and Border Watch groups are "anti-immigration" legal or not. But, since we are discussing word usage now, is it even proper to say "illegal immigration" as in all immigration is legal by definition, so those here illegally cannot be called immigrants?


3 posted on 01/30/2006 4:18:55 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

"is it even proper to say "illegal immigration" as in all immigration is legal by definition, so those here illegally cannot be called immigrants?"

Put the beer down and walk away.


4 posted on 01/30/2006 4:20:32 PM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Gondring

What a bunch of bluenoses. I suppose you'll be wanting the assault, robbery and kidnapping laws enforced next.

/sarcasm


5 posted on 01/30/2006 4:22:38 PM PST by relictele
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To: Gondring

Newspapers have what is called a style book, which is politically motivated. As an example in the newspapers you will always see "pro-choice" and "anti-choice," not "pro-life," and the reason is the newspaper style books require the writer of the articles to use those terms.


6 posted on 01/30/2006 4:23:29 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: toddlintown

I'm not saying that's my opinion - I've heard it from those who ARE against all immigration (at least ever since 9/11).


7 posted on 01/30/2006 4:24:47 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: GarySpFc
maybe they should add espaldas (wets) to their lexicon.
8 posted on 01/30/2006 4:30:05 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: clawrence3
But, since we are discussing word usage now, is it even proper to say "illegal immigration" as in all immigration is legal by definition, so those here illegally cannot be called immigrants?

You are absolutely right! Notwithstanding what Toddleintown says, they are Illegal Aliens, not illegal immigrants. Using the word Immigrants gives the connotation that there is some type of implied legality to their presence here which is nonsense.

9 posted on 01/30/2006 4:31:39 PM PST by Old Badger
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To: clawrence3

Only the media and sucophants like yourself call them immigrants, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS!

Criminals, every one of them.


10 posted on 01/30/2006 4:36:17 PM PST by dalereed
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To: clawrence3
Only for marketers, appeasers, CFR One-Worlders, Liberals, Soros straphangers and you apparently.

read this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1567301/posts

An Open Letter to Illegal Immigrants

An Open Letter to Illegal Immigrants
TownHall.com ^ | 29 January, 2006 | Doug Giles

Posted on 01/29/2006 5:41:35 AM PST by Radigan

If I were a Mexican stuck in Mexico, I, too, would grab a jug of aqua, stuff fistfuls of tortillas into a bandana, then tie that knap sack onto the end of a long stick and start my slog north for the Promised Land.

What would be the rationale for my exodus from Santa Ana land? Well, one big reason is the zero opportunity in Mexico. Mexico’s economic future is about as bright as Leif Garrett’s singing career. I’m talking there is nada for the average José. Look, Vicente Fox can only hire out so many pool boys, chefs, drivers, maids, migrant map makers and mistresses. For the rest of the national workforce . . . well, you’re pretty much SOL: sure-outta-luck.

Eclipsing the economic disaster are two other reasons why, if I were a Mexican living in Mexico, I’d be putting the Sierra Madres in my rearview mirror and heading for Marfa: namely, Telemundo and Univision. Yes, if those were the only two channels I could watch on my black and white Philco after a 16-hour day of picking mangos in exchange for two chickens, I would walk through the desert for hundreds of miles, brave banditos, eat horny toads, drink mud, bake in the sun, swim the Rio Grande, scale the Big Bend mountains and wrestle pumas just to get away from that tacky entertainment and to get here to the States where I could enjoy Fox News and OLN. Therefore, as compassionate conservatives, we’ve got to cut these guys some slack. We, too, would want out of such a dysfunctional banana republic.\

Now, having said that, let me address mi amigos that want to move into our amazing Land-O-Plenty: Would you mind immigrating legally and learning English? Because, you see, our legal citizens are getting increasingly fed up with your criminal relocation dreams. That’s right. Our American buddies on the Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas borders are especially sick of . . .

• Having their land trashed like a hotel room after Motley Crew spent the weekend there. [One Indian Reservation picks up trash to the tune of six tons a day. Would you please stop that? It’s rude, and it’s threatening the existence of a certain lizard and the Sonoran Pronghorn antelope. Thanks.]

• Having their ranches’ fencing routinely cut and vandalized. • Having to pick up your pill bottles, used needles and syringes. • Having to find the half eaten remains of their pets left from one of your impromptu BBQ’s. • Having their homes burglarized. • Having their daughters raped. • Having their vehicles stolen. • Having their property value plummet. • Having their sedate streets become unsafe requiring their children to be placed under lock and key after sunset. • Having to pick up and discard Muslim prayer rugs and literature strafed about the place. [BTW . . . when did so many Catholic Mexicans convert to Islam? I didn’t get that brief. Would you explain that to me?] • Having the arduous and unpleasant chore of scraping human feces off their front lawns in the morning.

Call us Americans fastidious, but we no likey the aforementioned; and the above is not causing us to take a shining to your desires to resettle here.

Let me help would-be Mexican immigrants understand exactly where we’re coming from. Our nation’s leniency regarding immigration has been used as a night stick to whup our own butt. Our nation’s compassionate openness, plus the corrupt incompetence of the former INS, plus our government’s greed for foreign capital equaled a rolled-out welcome mat for the 9/11 terrorists and other thieves and thugs who looked to use us while they attempted to destroy us. So excuse us, por favor, if we don’t seem too giddy about receiving new guests into our home; we’re still cleaning up after the last ones who tried to destroy the place.

Look, if you want to come here and visit, work or possibly live in the US of A, you must understand that it is a privilege. Be very clear on one fact: it is NOT a right. We don’t have to do anything.

In addition, we want people who dream the American dream [once again, in English], who crave what we crave and who will approach us respectfully, legally and . . . if you don’t mind terribly . . . pardon my redundancy, in English. And get this straight: our demand for a more stringent border has nothing—nothing!—to do with xenophobia. Rather, it is rooted in a love for our country. We like it here. We see it as a privilege and an honor to live here. And we want to make sure that when letting others join us in this privilege and honor, we are rewarding the credible who have waited, not the criminal who has manipulated. So, my advice is to immigrate correctly . . . do it right . . . and if you choose not to—don’t think it unkind if you get tossed on your head right back to where you came from.

11 posted on 01/30/2006 4:37:46 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: clawrence3
immigrate: : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence

The definition doesn't mention legality. I'd guess you've been a wee bit influenced by the MSM.

12 posted on 01/30/2006 4:39:41 PM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: toddlintown; Old Badger; dalereed; axes_of_weezles

O.K. then - I guess I'll go get me that beer now.


13 posted on 01/30/2006 4:40:26 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Max in Utah

I'm not the one who has an issue with the dictionary definition (see above).


14 posted on 01/30/2006 4:41:27 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
From your Post #3:

But, since we are discussing word usage now, is it even proper to say "illegal immigration" as in all immigration is legal by definition, so those here illegally cannot be called immigrants?

Pardon me... I presumed that I understood written English, but your sentence got the best of me.

15 posted on 01/30/2006 4:50:39 PM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: Max in Utah

Read the rest of my posts above - posting a question does not necessarily imply one's opinion - it's called the Socratic Method of teaching in fact. For instance:

"Do you guys think we should all vote Hillary Clinton for President in 2008?"


16 posted on 01/30/2006 4:59:53 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: axes_of_weezles; Old Badger; dalereed

What do you think of the dictionary definition?

immigrate: : to come into a country of which one is not a native for permanent residence

The definition doesn't mention legality. I'd guess you've been a wee bit influenced by the MSM.


17 posted on 01/30/2006 5:02:29 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Gondring

Down here they're referred to as "Undocumented Workers".


18 posted on 01/30/2006 5:03:35 PM PST by 38special (Where's the outrage?)
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To: Gondring
THEY don't call them illegal immigrants (much less illegal aliens), THEY call them undocumented migrants or just immigrants. That ought to tell you something about what the ruling elite believe and what they plan to do. Legal or illegal is both just a technical numbers argument and a cop-out. After all, what if Congress suddenly granted citizenship to all aliens now in the U.S. and declared that all who came here were entitled to stay, except perhaps known criminals and terrorists? Would that silence the "I'm only against ILLEGAL immigration crowd?" There would be no illegal immigrants, and the law would have been followed, so what objections could they raise, and why don't they raise them now?

"I'm only against ILLEGAL immigration" is a code-phrase for "please don't call me a racist", "anti-immigrant" is a code-phrase for "you're a racist." Immigration policy is about race, everybody knows it, but nobody really wants to bring it out in the open.

19 posted on 01/30/2006 5:33:46 PM PST by jordan8
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To: jordan8

My major issue with immigration is: we have far too many Mexicans who have no wish to become Americans. They'd rather reconstruct Mexico here, and I don't like it one bit.


20 posted on 01/30/2006 6:09:14 PM PST by Max in Utah (By their fruits you shall know them.)
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To: GarySpFc
Newspapers have what is called a style book, which is politically motivated. As an example in the newspapers you will always see "pro-choice" and "anti-choice," not "pro-life," and the reason is the newspaper style books require the writer of the articles to use those terms.

I'm well aware of that; I used to be a newspaper editor (not that you can tell from my writing online!) and was the author of our stylebook (which most pointedly was NOT AP style--especially not in serial comma usage! ;-). But thank you for pointing that fact out to many who are not aware of how these things operate.

I suggest that if enough letter-writing by readers occurs, it will be noticed.

21 posted on 01/30/2006 6:16:57 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: jordan8
After reading your post, I'm picturing the following conversation:
Citizen>I'm against crimes like murder.

jordan8>What if murder were suddenly declared legal (i.e., not a crime)? If it didn't silence the "I'm against murder" crowd, then they're racist.
I know of a world-famous physician who filed 1,000 applications to enter the US legally, and got selected in a lottery. What sense does it make to block someone as educated and motivated as he, while allowing others to enter without even a check of their background or any records of them? Maybe some people feel threatened by having top-notch immigrants to compete against, but that just shows that they don't realize foreign competition also affects wages.
22 posted on 01/30/2006 6:36:29 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: 38special
Down here they're referred to as "Undocumented Workers".

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Hmm, down here they're usually referred to as "Jose", "Juan", or maybe "Juanita". :)

Seriously, I'm a third-generation American on my maternal side (Paternal is pre-Revolutionary War), and my wife is a naturalized American citizen. There is NO ONE who is more sympathetic to the plight of economic migrant (mostly Mexican's) who've come to America, than I am.

That said (side issue), my industry has been all but destroyed by cheap foreign (largely Indian) labor. My country needs to defend our nation against a deliberate economic strategy by foreign nations like India to dump labor and steal the core of the IT industry. Immigration needs to be controlled.

Second, Mexican government officials and certain Californian Democrats are talking about the USA Southwest as some sort of American "West Bank", i.e. that the return of this territory to Mexican control is all but pre-ordained. I seriously believe that Mexico is encouraging emigration to the USA as both a "re-conquistadora" strategy as well as an economic relief valve, and I'm just not willing to cede my children's birthright to foreign nationals with no allegiance to my country. Our borders need to be secured.

I'm very much concerned that a large number of immigrants entering the USA in a digital age that does not require sacrifice or divorce from their homeland of origin will result in a huge number of legalized resident aliens or new citizens who have no stake in our nation's security. I don't want my country to be a "New Mexicana", a "New India", an Islamic Caliphate, etc., nor do I want 400 years of American traditions which made the USA different from every other country supplanted by foreign cultures. I can never be Mexican, Indian, Japanese, or European. The USA is the last stop for my family, and we're won't move over or move out for someone else.

SFS

23 posted on 01/30/2006 6:40:44 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: jordan8

"After all, what if Congress suddenly granted citizenship to all aliens now in the U.S. and declared that all who came here were entitled to stay, except perhaps known criminals and terrorists? Would that silence the "I'm only against ILLEGAL immigration crowd?" There would be no illegal immigrants, and the law would have been followed, so what objections could they raise, and why don't they raise them now?"

But the law would not have been followed. It would be a reward for law breakers.


24 posted on 01/30/2006 6:45:04 PM PST by SC33
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To: jordan8

"Legal or illegal is both just a technical numbers argument and a cop-out."

I don't believe that either. Legal immigrants respect our laws, which is evident by the difficult process they follow to become citizens.


25 posted on 01/30/2006 6:47:02 PM PST by SC33
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To: SC33

The same arguments were used in 1986, at the time of the last amnesty. They legalized millions of illegal aliens already in the country, and promised it was the last time. Yet, here we are in 2006, and the problem is ten times worse then it was before.

What is to prevent this from happening in another 20 years?

As to your other points, I don't understand how you can say with certainty that there is really no difference between legal and illegal immigration. Have you run that theory by any people have have actually immigrated here legally? They may have something to say about that. Legal immigrants go through a long, arduous process, and, by and large, do their best to assimilate into American society.

As to the race issue, while that is certainly true in some cases, it does not define the sentiment of those who are opposed to illegal immigration. The media portrays it that way, but it is nonsense. There are many valid, and legal arguments against illegal immigration which have nothing to do with race.


26 posted on 01/30/2006 6:57:45 PM PST by SC33
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To: Gondring
Citizen: I'm against murder BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL.
jordan8: So if they legalize it, it'd be alright with you?

Of course it wouldn't. Simply saying you're against it because the law says it's illegal is no argument, it's a way of avoiding an argument (and I've already pointed out the primary argument it's meant to avoid). WHY are you against murder? WHY are you against illegal immigration, why is it bad? Surely it's not simply because it's illegal, or because illegal immigration doesn't adequately screen out drugs or criminals. What should immigration policy try to achieve, what should it try to prevent? What is a nation? These are some of the questions the immigration control movement needs to answer, and right out loud.

Allegedly tightening up illegal immigration while increasing legal immigration is the exact program being offered by the President today, while other powerful forces push an even more extensive and radical loosening of immigration practice and policy. If we go from having, say, one million legal and two million illegal immigrants per year to having three million legal and zero illegal immigrants per year what really is the difference? Anti-death penalty types used to argue that hanging and the electric chair were too cruel so the states came up with lethal injection. If you argue that the point is legality pro-immigration forces will come up with legalization. It's really about numbers and numbers is really about culture and politics, legality is a technical point. (Screening for quality is a canard since the system really wants peones, and for every doctor who had to apply 1000 times there are a hundred voting immigrant citizens who can't read English.)

27 posted on 01/30/2006 9:28:25 PM PST by jordan8
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To: clawrence3

"Do you guys think we should all vote Hillary Clinton for President in 2008?"

Hell No!!! But Tancredo is getting my vote if it need be a write in!!!


28 posted on 01/31/2006 10:09:20 AM PST by Sterco
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


29 posted on 01/31/2006 11:17:11 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


30 posted on 01/31/2006 11:21:58 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Gondring

They are not "illegal immigrants". They are illegal aliens.


31 posted on 01/31/2006 11:30:18 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: clawrence3
"...so those here illegally cannot be called immigrants?"

Immigrants assimilate and seek to observe the laws of their new homeland. Illegal immigrants were at one time legal, but have since lost the legality of their entrant status. Aliens have no desire to. Illegal aliens cannot assimilate because of their "status". The majority of illegal aliens have no intention of becoming an "American" if it means severing their allegiance to their native country. IMO, that is the difference between an immigrant, an illegal immigrant, and an illegal alien.

32 posted on 01/31/2006 11:38:53 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Gondring

Time mag. cover story this week: Hispanic man, now US citizen, has his own landscaping firm...Long Island, I think. He said he came to the US because he was desperate, and when he made money and sent some home, the entire village headed north.


33 posted on 01/31/2006 11:41:33 AM PST by hershey
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To: Gondring

http://tinyurl.com/9v7zq

Fox News
Illinois Minuteman Project Rally


34 posted on 01/31/2006 1:49:32 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: clawrence3

Thats why we call them illegal aliens and not illegal immigrants. Cause they aint staying.


35 posted on 01/31/2006 2:48:16 PM PST by mthom
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To: Gondring

I liked this response: Sarcasm on!

Sally wrote on January 28, 2006 11:14 AM:"Actually, I am waiting for our president to pass the guest worker program that will bring another hord of illegals and to legalize the 20 million more illegals in out country because there won't be any Mexicans left in Mexico and I can move there and build a house that I can't afford here in the United States. I also can travel back to Mexifornia for my free medical and dental services because I am from Mexico. I am even debating about having an "anchor" baby on the American side (using a relative's address) so the welfare dept can send me money to a post office box in San Ysidro that I can collect each and every month for 18 years and never have to work again. There will be so many benefits I will be able to collect once I am living in Mexico. The more I think about it, the faster I am packing. Viva la Mexico and Adios to Stupido America. "


36 posted on 01/31/2006 2:48:41 PM PST by TheLion
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