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Westly: California should pay for a community college degree
ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 1/30/06 | Juliet Williams - ap

Posted on 01/30/2006 6:40:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO (AP) - State Controller Steve Westly said Monday that every Californian is entitled to free community college - and the state can afford to pay for it.

Westly, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for governor, proposed to pay tuition for students who successfully complete a community college degree. He said the proposal would cost $100 million to $200 million a year, money he said the state should already be paying community colleges. The former eBay executive and millionaire announced his proposal at the annual legislative conference of the Community College League of California in Sacramento Monday.

"Community colleges are the most important part of the higher education system," he told the group. "Too often, they're also the most neglected."

Westly said the cost of attending the state's 109 community colleges has increased 136 percent in the last three years, to about $800 a year for a full courseload. Attendance has meanwhile lagged, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office.

Westly said 180,000 students were priced out of education when fees climbed dramatically in 2003. But the legislative analyst found in 2003-04 about 40 percent of full-time students had their education subsidized and did not pay any tuition.

Westly's plan would let students borrow the full cost of their education, interest-free, and the money would turn into a grant if they completed their program. Students who dropped out would have to repay the loans as usual.

The state has shortchanged community colleges in recent years, Westly said. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's budget this year is $255 million short of what colleges should be receiving, he said. Schwarzenegger has proposed eliminating fee increases at colleges and universities in an effort to control the costs to students.

Westly's Democratic rival, state Treasurer Phil Angelides, has an education proposal that includes reducing taxes on education, admitting 20,000 more students to state universities, expanding the state's grant system and creating an endowment to boost funding by around $300 million a year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; communitycollege; degree; westly
It's an election year and a primary looms.

No mention of all the illegals and how they might be impacted.

1 posted on 01/30/2006 6:41:01 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Let the pandering begin.

Oops. It already did a while back.


2 posted on 01/30/2006 6:42:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

I want a pony.


3 posted on 01/30/2006 6:42:26 PM PST by Drango ( No animals were harmed while producing this post)
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To: NormsRevenge

Free money? I'm all for it.

I'm glad all this stuff doesn't cost anything.


4 posted on 01/30/2006 6:42:48 PM PST by mhx
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To: NormsRevenge

Don't worry they will make sure they get there's first.


5 posted on 01/30/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

sounds more like Westley is impacted.


6 posted on 01/30/2006 6:43:08 PM PST by Hi Heels (Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why I think he should stop there. Pay for all four years!
Extend it to anyone breathing! Illegal. Legal. And then let taxpayers get the bill.

Just kidding.

He's your typical socialist.


7 posted on 01/30/2006 6:43:32 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually, it makes sense. As fiscal conservatives, we should look at the cost-benefit analysis.

A two-year degree at a community college costs about $3000, give or take. Will that degree generate at least $3000 in additional income tax revenue? Probably.

I'm all for it.


8 posted on 01/30/2006 6:45:22 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
Most of both the community and state college tuition is covered by state tax payers.
Community college is covered much more so and should NOT be given away at tax payer's expense IMO.

If they don't have to pay for anything, why should they respect it?
Hasn't decades of the great society program proved that?
9 posted on 01/30/2006 6:45:30 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Fools, fools, and more fools. If this were to happen, you would need an Associate Degree just to get a job flipping burgers or picking up garbage.


10 posted on 01/30/2006 6:46:45 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: NormsRevenge
Westly said the cost of attending the state's 109 community colleges has increased 136 percent in the last three years, to about $800 a year for a full courseload. Attendance has meanwhile lagged, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office.

Westly said 180,000 students were priced out of education when fees climbed dramatically in 2003.

Geez... work a summer job... even at minimum wage you only need to work a month to come up with a full years tuition... you can take the other two months of summer off and go surfing.

11 posted on 01/30/2006 6:47:39 PM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: NormsRevenge

What about a pot to pee in and a window to throw it out of? I think the state can afford that too. That's what I want!


12 posted on 01/30/2006 6:50:00 PM PST by barj
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To: Drango
best I can do for ya is a starter pony..


13 posted on 01/30/2006 6:50:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: barj

would you like an enamel chamber pot or is stainless steel OK?


All of these items can be had cheap on EBay which is where Westly made his big bucks, btw. ;-)


14 posted on 01/30/2006 6:52:02 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

There is an appealing element to it if we can minimize the costs and keep unions out of it.


15 posted on 01/30/2006 6:52:51 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Westly said the cost of attending the state's 109 community colleges has increased 136 percent in the last three years, to about $800 a year for a full courseload.

Pump $100 million or so into it, and I can guarantee you that the price will not remain at $800 a year.

16 posted on 01/30/2006 6:55:10 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Bend over and think of England.)
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To: So Cal Rocket
"Attendance has meanwhile lagged..."

And therein lies the key.....they want (the colleges) guaranteed students.....I'll bet it's because MOST who could go are too lazy these days.....I know of a 20 year old who's living at home, working, taking vacations in England and France (to "party")....and thinking about taking a comm college class....it just isn't a priority. She's got a decent job and doesn't see the value.

17 posted on 01/30/2006 6:56:02 PM PST by goodnesswins (Seahawks headin' to the Superbowl for first time in 30 years....FINALLY!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"There is an appealing element to it if we can minimize the costs and keep unions out of it."

ROFL....as IF THAT would happen.....LOLOLOLOLOL

18 posted on 01/30/2006 6:56:50 PM PST by goodnesswins (Seahawks headin' to the Superbowl for first time in 30 years....FINALLY!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The loons are gonna completely obliterate California.
19 posted on 01/30/2006 6:57:23 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: NormsRevenge

Individuals who obtain a higher education capture most of the benefit of that education themselves in the form of higher earnings. While there is some justification for helping students obtain loans to pay for higher education, there is little reason for taxpayers to pay the entire bill.


20 posted on 01/30/2006 6:58:11 PM PST by KosciuszkoRocks
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To: NormsRevenge

California junior colleges were free, back in 1969 when I graduated from h.s. General opinion was you got what you paid for.


21 posted on 01/30/2006 6:58:32 PM PST by joey'smom
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To: NormsRevenge
100 to 200 hundred million a year? For EVERYONE who wants a bachelor's? Even those who FLOCK to CA for this "free" degree"? On what planet? Besides, CA ios still about bankrupt dispite the nest efforts of it's current governor.

Have the casinos begun paying taxes yet or is all that still tied up in court? How about worker's comp reform? THAT was lost in court, IIRC.

22 posted on 01/30/2006 6:59:19 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: NormsRevenge

When I started at Long Beach State, tuition was $104 per semester. Community College at that time was free, except for a $5 health fee. That was in the late 70s.

I do business on many California college campuses. There are already too many "professional" JC students. Making it free would worsen the problem.


23 posted on 01/30/2006 7:00:59 PM PST by socal_parrot (2006, the year of the parrot!!!)
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To: So Cal Rocket
My daughter works to defray the cost of college. What's wrong with that? Real life experience, hands on, school of hard knocks, that sort of thing
24 posted on 01/30/2006 7:01:59 PM PST by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: One Wing to Rule them All and to the Darkside Bind them)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Remember, when a high-school diploma meant something?


Making an AA or AS free, will make it as useless a piece of paper as a HS diploma


25 posted on 01/30/2006 7:02:28 PM PST by Kidan (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Fringe, if that were indeed true, it might make sense, but community college is just an additional two years of babysitting for most folks. The state of WA paid for me to get an associate's degree in computer networking, but I never found work in that field, there were already too many people running around with the training, and even some practical experience.

Where am I at now? In a computer chip factory, making about twelve bucks an hour with my shift differential, doing a job for which the only necessary educational requirement is a high school diploma. At least my technical degree proved to my employer that I was still trainable, even though I'm fifty. It was a waste of money, and time. And that was with me taking something potentially useful, what about all the jerks who take courses in crap that will never mean anything to anybody, anywhere?

26 posted on 01/30/2006 7:03:40 PM PST by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: goodnesswins

I hate being the straight man all the time. :-}


27 posted on 01/30/2006 7:03:46 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cake_crumb

Just silly


28 posted on 01/30/2006 7:06:11 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: hunter112

Community colleges also train auto mechanics, HVAC techs, paralegals, chefs, and other light-blue collar workers.

It benefits society when people have an education. It is one of the few social programs I fully support. Plus... this can backfire on Democrats. Educated people tend to be more conservative.


29 posted on 01/30/2006 7:12:28 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
"State Controller Steve Westly said Monday that every Californian is entitled to free community college - and the state can afford to pay for it."

Ahh, but can we afford Mr. Westly?

Fully agree with another poster - the institution of academia is aiming us toward a society that requires a BA to flip 'burgers...especially since it no longer seems necessary to speak English to graduate from ANY level of schooling in Kalifornia.

30 posted on 01/30/2006 7:12:35 PM PST by norton
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To: NormsRevenge
California is a mess. Their Ballot Initiatives allow the voters to 'vote' to spend tax dollars - usually for some feel-good social program - without understanding the budget process or even economics for that matter.

It's economy has since spiraled out of control.

31 posted on 01/30/2006 7:13:56 PM PST by aligncare (No one says, "I liked the movie but, there just wasn't enough cursing")
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To: aligncare

I agree it has turned into one helluva way to run a state into the mud and then demand politicians fix it.


32 posted on 01/30/2006 7:15:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pay me so I get enrolled on the internet. You can get a degree in two weeks if you pay the admission.


33 posted on 01/30/2006 7:26:16 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: norton
I came of age in California in the 70's. As I look back, I now realize I was living in a socialist state.
34 posted on 01/30/2006 7:26:28 PM PST by aligncare (No one says, "I liked the movie but, there just wasn't enough cursing")
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To: NormsRevenge

"Westly!"
35 posted on 01/30/2006 7:32:29 PM PST by HolgerDansk ("Oh Bother", said Pooh, as he worked the bolt.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Westly said the cost of attending the state's 109 community colleges has increased 136 percent in the last three years, to about $800 a year for a full courseload. Attendance has meanwhile lagged, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office.

So then what happens when non-college bound people ask for an in-kind $1,600 subsidy for vocational training. It's not fair for only the community college kids to get the handout.

-PJ

36 posted on 01/30/2006 7:36:15 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I agree, fair is fair. VoTech is getting a lot more attention of recent in the budget if I recall correctly.

No problemo,, Californians are rich, yaknow. How else can we afford free educations for what seems like half of mexico's population that have come here the last 30 years?


37 posted on 01/30/2006 7:41:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aligncare
The Peoples' Republic of California is going to bankrupt itself. The voters have a hard time saying no to any sort of bond initiatives. California spends like crazy.
38 posted on 01/30/2006 7:46:09 PM PST by old republic
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To: NormsRevenge
I think California should by every emoployed person in the state a house. After all, we contribute to the economy and pay taxes. Also, a car. If we have a car, we will buy gas and pay taxes on that. Groceries too. How can we work and pay taxes if we don't eat well? Don't forget health care. The healthier I am, the harder I can work and the more taxes I'll pay. An while we are at it, get rid of all those scary guns!
39 posted on 01/30/2006 7:47:03 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51
Pay for my spelling lessons too. The state will benefit from that some how. By the way, I want to be governor.
40 posted on 01/30/2006 7:48:32 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: NormsRevenge
Absolutely! There's a need for all sorts of vocational work, like replacing freon refrigeration with more green-friendly coolants, installing low-volume flush toilets, and removing wood-burning fireplaces from homes.

-PJ

41 posted on 01/30/2006 7:52:41 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: NormsRevenge
No mention of all the illegals and how they might be impacted.

Why, of course they will get free education too. Paid for by taxes on the rich (anyone with a job).

42 posted on 01/30/2006 7:56:57 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: NormsRevenge
For once I'm going to break with standard conservatism and suggest that if this idea applied only to subject matter wherein there is a real prospect of a job, then subsidizing the education could well pay for itself with the taxes on higher wages an AA degree might bring. Obviously, if the coursework is in race studies, anthropology, or queer lifestyles, then it's a loser. Unfortunately, Westley doesn't make a distinction there. So what will likely happen is to delay the comeuppance on how bad California education really is by keeping borderline dropouts in school for two more years.

Considering what we waste on illegals, $200 million is a pittance, especially with the financing structure Westley suggests and the potential revenue from a more educated workforce. Not a bad try for a liberal; too bad there's a devil in the details.

43 posted on 01/30/2006 8:24:17 PM PST by Carry_Okie (A faith in Justice, none in "fairness.")
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To: Carry_Okie
So what will likely happen is to delay the comeuppance on how bad California education really is by keeping borderline dropouts in school for two more years.

Your so cynical...I mean, observant ;o)

44 posted on 01/30/2006 9:17:27 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: NormsRevenge
Westly's suggestion is curious. We have all but abandoned the community college theory in California. Why the emphasis?

California today has opened their public, postsecondary educational system up to anyone in California who has a perceptible temperature and casts a shadow, with only one exception. Those applicants who can't read, speak or write English must first take a year of remediation in the CSU system before being accepted to the UC system.

This pandering probably won't net Westly too many new votes. If he should promise to wave tuition and entrance requirements to both the CSU and UC systems to anyone certified by the local, Mexican Consulate he'd win by a landslide. The Mexicans would love him and the press would promote his great gesture of brotherhood.

A win-win deal for both the Mexicans and Westly. I'll contact his campaign.

45 posted on 01/31/2006 8:01:40 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: NormsRevenge

California should defund all university liberal arts programs and use the money to fund this program. Community colleges are the most important aspect of today's education. They are the high level trade schools of our time. With males being forced out of the university system, community colleges are becoming more important.


46 posted on 01/31/2006 8:04:36 AM PST by FreedomSurge
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