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Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program
AP ^ | Feb 1, 2006 | AP

Posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:11 PM PST by Icelander

Advocates on both sides of the immigration debate said President Bush missed an opportunity in his State of the Union address Tuesday night to direct Congress on immigration reform, weeks before Senate lawmakers begin to tackle the divisive issue.

Breezing by the issue in just a few sentences, Bush endorsed a program that would allow foreigners to work temporarily in this country, saying the nation needs orderly and secure borders but that the economy couldn't function without immigrants.

His brief mention drew a disappointed rebuke from Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who has led an effort to tighten the nation's borders and enforce immigration laws.

Bush could have "broken the Washington stalemate and secured the most significant immigration reform in a decade," Tancredo said.

Angela Kelley, deputy director of the pro-immigrant National Immigration Forum, also said Bush fell short. "It's really important for him to step up and provide some leadership on this issue," she said.

Senators are expected to take up immigration legislation in the coming weeks.

Immigration has featured heavily in Bush's State of the Union speeches in past years. But with his own party deeply divided over the issue, he devoted just over a paragraph to the subject Tuesday.

Still several lawmakers praised Bush.

Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, said he was pleased Bush "called for an immigration system that deals with the influx of illegal immigrants realistically. Now it's time for both the House and the Senate to rise to the president's challenge and enact meaningful, comprehensive immigration reform."

How to deal with the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country now _ and the thousands crossing the border each year _ has divided Congress and is becoming an increasingly volatile issue at the state and local level.

Even non-border states are wrestling with how to provide government services, such as health care, to illegal immigrants and whether to restrict drivers' licenses and withhold benefits to illegal workers.

Jennifer Allen, who directs the Border Action Network, based in Tucson, Ariz., said immigrants she works with are watching anxiously as Congress talks about building walls at the Mexican border and increasing the penalties for being in the country illegally.

She and other advocates are loudly calling for Congress to fix the nation's troubled immigration system.

This summer, Democratic Govs. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and Janet Napolitano, of Arizona declared a state of emergency in their border counties to free up money for immigration-related needs.

Richardson said Bush's brief mention in the State of the Union was a signal the White House would not make it a major issue in the coming months.

"The message I received is that on immigration, we're going to leave the burden on the states like New Mexico and Arizona, and it's sort of like 'You're on your own,'" Richardson said.

In the Senate, Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., John Cornyn, R-Texas, and John McCain, R-Ariz., and Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., have proposed programs that regulate when and how immigrants can come to the U.S.

Kyl said Tuesday that he would have liked to hear more from Bush about immigration, but he was glad "the key elements were there" in his speech.

"It is a very serious problem for Arizona," Kyl said. "I think everyone in the Senate wants to get something done ... whether the president mentions it or not."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
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1 posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:13 PM PST by Icelander
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To: Icelander
Sure! Open the door fairly wide to legal immigration. Meanwhile, execute any illegals caught in the US.
2 posted on 02/01/2006 12:05:42 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Icelander
the nation needs orderly and secure borders but that the economy couldn't function without immigrants.

A legal plan is meaningless as long as the illegal activity continues with impunity.

3 posted on 02/01/2006 12:07:15 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Icelander
Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, said he was pleased Bush "called for an immigration system that deals with the influx of illegal immigrants realistically."

The wall is the only realistic start to any reform.

4 posted on 02/01/2006 12:07:17 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Icelander

Cut off their taxpayer freebees, (heavily) fine employers who hire them, and end the anchor baby incentive. ......and then watch them self-deport.


5 posted on 02/01/2006 12:08:14 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Icelander

Can the states take action to close their borders?


6 posted on 02/01/2006 12:09:02 PM PST by American Quilter (Communism is a religion, and none the less potent for being a secular one. - J.F.C. Fuller)
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To: Icelander

Here's one: Get out. Now.


7 posted on 02/01/2006 12:09:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Icelander

I would only be for a guest worker program if it EXCLUDED illegals.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 12:11:37 PM PST by Daralundy
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To: Icelander
France burned because of their "guest worker" program. And now our leaders are pushing it here? Sweet mercy!

Time to whack the RNC over the head with a clue-by-four. They won't see another dime so long as they keep selling our nation out to illegals.


9 posted on 02/01/2006 12:12:07 PM PST by Prime Choice (We are RepubliCANs, not RepubliCAN'Ts.)
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To: Icelander

It seems that he cares not a whit for our borders, or for our language or for our culture.


10 posted on 02/01/2006 12:13:28 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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The only rational guest worker program is NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM.


11 posted on 02/01/2006 12:13:31 PM PST by oolatec
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To: Icelander

All this talk of Guest worker Amnesty pisses us legal immigrants off. I waited over 4 years for my greencard.


12 posted on 02/01/2006 12:16:49 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: Icelander

We are not up to guest anything.


13 posted on 02/01/2006 12:16:53 PM PST by Spirited
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To: Icelander

How about "guest workers" come from countries whose people have not violated our borders? I always invite people to my home who have shown me and mine courtesy and respect for not having trashed it or broken in before.


14 posted on 02/01/2006 12:18:22 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: Icelander

King Jorge is at it again with his nonsense about allowing illegals to have any status here other than illegal.

We raised hades with the House in November and December and even got a lot of Dims to vote a great set of laws in.

Now that law is handed over to the Senate who will come up with their own version.

The Senate is going to get an earfull, just like the House did.

Please join www.numbersusa.com and help in this grass roots effort to stop the illegal immigration or any kind of so call guest worker program.

We lambasted the House with over 175 thousand calls, letters and faxes every day! Believe me, it works.

The most humane thing we could do with the illegals is send them home. The economy does not need them and politicians who are hoping to give them citizenship in exchange for a vote are in for a rude awakening.


15 posted on 02/01/2006 12:18:52 PM PST by Pylot
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To: Icelander; All

OK lets be rational:

Rational: Guest worker visa is NOT convertable to another type of visa.

Rational: Guest workers are ineligible to convert a work visa into US citizenship.

Rational: Children of guest workers are ineligible for us citizenship the same way foreign diplomat children born int the USA are ineligible for citizenship.

Rational: Guest workers are REQUIRED to leave the USA after ten years and may not return for work for a period of one year.


16 posted on 02/01/2006 12:19:29 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Icelander
sure we need immigrants ... LEGAL immigrants!

My plan is to charge Mexico $1,000 for every illegal alien we catch and return in this country. I bet the Mexican government would stop the flow overnight!
17 posted on 02/01/2006 12:19:41 PM PST by conservative physics
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To: oolatec
The only rational guest worker program is NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM.

Fair enough. But I'll be expecting to see you picking tomatos in the fields outside our town.

18 posted on 02/01/2006 12:20:22 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: ncountylee

For the cheap labor/wage depression industries "immigration" is always the solution.


19 posted on 02/01/2006 12:22:01 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Prime Choice
Wish our Man-Kisser in Chief would spend more time fulfilling his oath of office and less time thinking up more ways to lies about his sleazy amnesty plans.
20 posted on 02/01/2006 12:22:56 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vicente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Icelander
"Keeping America competitive requires an immigration system that upholds our laws, reflects our values, and serves the interests of our economy. Our nation needs orderly and secure borders. (Applause.) To meet this goal, we must have stronger immigration enforcement and border protection. (Applause.) And we must have a rational, humane guest worker program that rejects amnesty, allows temporary jobs for people who seek them legally, and reduces smuggling and crime at the border."
21 posted on 02/01/2006 12:23:05 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: longtermmemmory
Rational: Guest workers are REQUIRED to leave the USA after ten years and may not return for work for a period of one year.

I understand your statement. How will it be enforced and by whom?

22 posted on 02/01/2006 12:23:35 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: Icelander
Advocates on both sides of the immigration debate said President Bush missed an opportunity in his State of the Union address Tuesday night to direct Congress on immigration reform, weeks before Senate lawmakers begin to tackle the divisive issue.

IMO, the State of the Union address is one moment in time, where the President has a certain amount of time to address issues that face our country. Time constraints limit the amount of dialogue a President can give on any one issue. It seems to me that the SOTU address summarizes those issues and where our President stands on those issues. I'm sure that President Bush will be "directing Congress on immigration reform", but I do not believe he had to explain every fine detail to them in his SOTU address. He stated his opinions on Immigration very clearly, but apparently not some of our Senators seem to think that this was the only chance they had to get their "homework". LOL

23 posted on 02/01/2006 12:24:09 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Chena

Drop the "not" in my last sentence.


24 posted on 02/01/2006 12:24:43 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Icelander; AZRepublican; flashbunny; Stellar Dendrite; kellynla; ARCADIA; DumpsterDiver; ...

* El-pingo *


25 posted on 02/01/2006 12:25:22 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: longtermmemmory

I would support that.


26 posted on 02/01/2006 12:26:19 PM PST by SC33
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To: Icelander

You know who we never see on these immigration threads? -- farmers who have to get their crops harvested and to market before they rot. When I start seeing regular Americans lining up to work in the fields of America, I'll be convinced that some sort of guest worker program isn't necessary.


27 posted on 02/01/2006 12:27:02 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: afnamvet

Guest worker program visas will be BIlateral treaties with individual nations.

Each employer who hires a guest worker will be given a "must terminate" date. As long as each visa is tied to a specific employer then the person will be tracked.

Overstayes will be ineligible for future work visas.


28 posted on 02/01/2006 12:28:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

That sounds rational to me.


29 posted on 02/01/2006 12:28:10 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: My2Cents

Then lets get them from countries like Thailand.


30 posted on 02/01/2006 12:29:46 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: My2Cents
>>>>>>Fair enough. But I'll be expecting to see you picking tomatos in the fields outside our town.

Gee, how do the Japanese and other countries that don't allow mass immigration manage? I guess their citizens starve, or they all moonlight as farmhands.

31 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:04 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Prime Choice
I've printed a bunch of those bills on my HP color inkjet and have sent them in a few times in the last couple of months. I sent the pic around to a bunch of my friends and they're doing the same.

A "clue by four" indeed! Well done!

32 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:23 PM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Prime Choice

Great graphic.


33 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:46 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Icelander

Illegals are not immigrants, they are criminals, an should be subject to a far greater scrutiny then other candidates who have demonstrated their willingness to patiently abide by our laws. The President is dead wrong in his characterization of the issue.


34 posted on 02/01/2006 12:30:59 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Icelander
I waited over 4 years for my greencard.

Good for you! I appreciate your patience and determination to do things the RIGHT way!

______________________________

This 'shamnesty' program is just that for one reason:

The government cannot force the illegals to sign up for anything, no matter how many programs they throw at them!

The illegals are HERE and giving them yet MORE 'goodies' as a result of jumping the border will just encourage more.

The government acts like it's rocket science when it's all so VERY simple:

1) Employing an illegal should be an automatic 5 years in jail and a $5,000 fine PER ILLEGAL

2) NO government food, health-care or welfare

3)No anchor babies....period!

4) Give the Border Patrol standing orders that if they are fired upon, they are to return fire, whether the target is Mexican military OR civilian

5)BUILD THE FENCE NOW!!!

35 posted on 02/01/2006 12:31:36 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Icelander

And it took us five years and many bribes to get official residency (no green card or citizenship, of course) in Mexico. (I didn't pay the bribes, but the company lawyer did--he had to or else the permits never would have been issued).


36 posted on 02/01/2006 12:33:35 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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You folks can just give up and go home. You heard Bush. He practically wagged his finger at you and said you're being a bad citizen if you criticize illegal immigration. You heard the man, the economy would grind to a halt without em.

So grab your IUD, morning after pill or abortion on demand and rest comfortable in the knowledge this government is going to make up the shortfall in reproduction numbers one way or another. The go go economy DEMANDS IT.


37 posted on 02/01/2006 12:35:40 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: Icelander
Please...no one really thought George Bush was going to say anything meaningful about illegal immigration last night, right???

Much less DO anything to slow it down?? LOL!

Gee next I'll be reading here about the President holding Exxon accountable for obscene oil profits when gas goes over 4 bucks a gallon this summer! LOL!!!!
38 posted on 02/01/2006 12:36:15 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: longtermmemmory
Each employer who hires a guest worker will be given a "must terminate" date. As long as each visa is tied to a specific employer then the person will be tracked.

Overstayes will be ineligible for future work visas.

Who tracks the "guest worker" after the job ends? Who tracks and makes certain that the visa overstays leaves the country? My point is where is the guarantee that these workers actually leave our country.

39 posted on 02/01/2006 12:38:20 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: My2Cents
You know who we never see on these immigration threads? -- farmers who have to get their crops harvested and to market before they rot.

Yeah, they're pretty happy with the status quo. Tell you what. You start paying all your little mexicans minimum wage and withholding the proper payroll and income taxes, or you go to jail. How's THAT for immigration reform.

Hiring illegals any other way is fraud, illegal labor practices, and tax cheating. Period, end of. Spin that, pennies.

40 posted on 02/01/2006 12:38:20 PM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: My2Cents

It's your town. You pick them. :)


41 posted on 02/01/2006 12:38:41 PM PST by oolatec
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To: My2Cents; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
You know who we never see on these immigration threads? -- farmers who have to get their crops harvested and to market before they rot. When I start seeing regular Americans lining up to work in the fields of America, I'll be convinced that some sort of guest worker program isn't necessary.

You know what I never see in these posts?

Logic from OBL-ers who on one hand claim we can't deport all the illegals here...then demand we bring in more to do those "Farm" jobs that the illegals already here won't do any more...they have moved on to Carpentry, Plumbing, Masonry etc.!

Meanwhile the Labor Unions do everything they can to obstruct automation for a LOT of the Farm Industry!

So when does this OBL free-for-all end? When will you idiots ever learn?

It's all about the Slaver Labor market, and Industries being able to depress wages to lower their overhead...those savings aren't passed on to the consumer, btw!

So, you all are full of excrement...and we see what Uncle Jorge has in store for Americans...

"Ahead Sell-Out Factor 10, Mr. Chertoff!"

42 posted on 02/01/2006 12:39:18 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Walkin Man

The amount of time a President devotes to any given subject in his SOTU speech speaks loudly about how much he cares about that issue.

Bush said so little about the border that you could have completely missed it by going to the fridge for some refreshments...


43 posted on 02/01/2006 12:39:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: Icelander
Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, said he was pleased Bush "called for an immigration system that deals with the influx of illegal immigrants realistically. Now it's time for both the House and the Senate to rise to the president's challenge and enact meaningful, comprehensive immigration reform."

Chris Cannon needs to be retired by his constituents.

44 posted on 02/01/2006 12:41:17 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: dixiechick2000

What, you're bringing facts to a lynching?


45 posted on 02/01/2006 12:41:20 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Icelander
I say we make the rational decision to humanely deport these people back to their country of origin post-haste
46 posted on 02/01/2006 12:41:48 PM PST by The Lumster
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To: My2Cents; longtermmemmory

Sounds very reasonable to me.

Add: REQUIRED to learn English.


47 posted on 02/01/2006 12:42:19 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Icelander
Then lets get them from countries like Thailand.

Get what? Food, or guest workers?

48 posted on 02/01/2006 12:42:48 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: longtermmemmory
OK lets be rational:

I agree let's be rational.

After the workers are here for six years there will be about a million sympathetic news reports featuring Juan and Juanita and their family, home, church, schools, jobs, friends and community.

Any politician thinking about forcing them back home will fold in a heartbeat.

They will never go back home.

49 posted on 02/01/2006 12:44:05 PM PST by RJL
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To: Howlin

...probably won't make a difference. ;o)


50 posted on 02/01/2006 12:44:49 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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