Skip to comments.Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program
Posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:11 PM PST by Icelander
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Migrant farm workers have been a part of agriculture as far back as I can remember ( into the 50's at least).
I don't see a problem with 'guest workers' as long as it's regulated.
Something along the lines of post #16.
In the meantime stop the illegal immigration.
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.
Incarceration? Well, we know how expensive that is -- even if the government decided to use the incarcerated illegals in chain gangs that just happened to be part of construction crews and produce picking crews. And again, Mexico would protest. It could even decide to divert oil to China (nice of us to have built the Panama Canal).
To date, the cheapest solution is repatriation, usually by bus.
The one form of punishment that actually generates income is to fine the businesses that knowingly use illegal labor. But as already discussed on this thread, it's all a game.
So do I. He has the authority granted to him to shut this mess down in a heartbeat, but......
If terrorists stroll over a border that is still wide open years after 9-11, Bush should and would be impeached for gross dereliction of his sworn duty.
There's a free-market solution, and it's actually quite simple: privatize all land in the United States. The land-owner has the right to shoot trespassers. After that, whose property is the body? Obviously, the original owner no longer can claim it; therefore unless a will clearly bequeathes it to somebody, it is abandoned property.
The land-owner has first dibs, since its on his land, and can do what he wants with it. Presumably, a market for these raw materials will exist; perhaps a fertilizer or animal-feed company. Soylent green, maybe. Instead of a state-centric disposal problem, we have a free-market solution that produces benefits and generates wealth.
the cheapest solution is repatriation
Don't forget the need for a deterrent. Repatriation after public flogging, maybe. Sure, that's fine with me as well.
There is no such thing. It is a false concept invented and labeled by Karl Rove to sucker the masses into accepting another amnesty scam. It is, in fact, a bald-faced lie. I refuse to drink the Kool-Aid. Seal the border, secure the nation, and then and only then can we talk about who we're going to allow in and for how long we're going to allow them. Until the border is under control, it is all just a bunch of useless talk designed to mislead the nation into accepting another amnesty and dissolution of our national sovereignty.
Yeah, he's got it about right; that's about how high the stack of votes your candidates have gotten would be.
LOL...you're predictable if nothing else.
Here's my email to the President today -
I'm a loyal Republican Mr President, but I have one word for you regarding your Guest Worker Program.
NO Hell NO!!!
You have to start listening to the people Mr President.
See this thread at the largest Republican Forum on the Internet.
Prediction doesn't have much to do with it.
That's just all there is to say.
If you have time you might read Tancredo's plan as well. It's hr3333.
Hmm, I didn't hear any plans for incarceration or deportation or both. "Realistically" "deal(ing) with "illegal immigrants" should involve both. Hiring them as employees, giving them taxpayer dollars and various other gifts thanks to the largesse that exists because of citizens, is NOT "deal(ing) with the influx of illegal immigrants realistically."
I also think it's sad that Bush thinks the country "can't function" without illegal aliens. They're here illegally, they're violating the laws, and thus, he might just as well say that "crime pays, and we need it."
bayou was zotted months ago :)
There is just no.way someone who has been in the U.S. for TEN YEARS is going to "leave the country." They're not going to leave.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LEAVE. They will stay without benefit of "papers" and convert their lifestyles to yet more of an underground economy than exists now. They will not leave, AND THEY WILL BE EXTREMELY RESENTFUL AT THE IDEA OF BEING EXPECTED TO.
Thus, 'guest worker programs' are going to: increase and expand an underground economy and increase and expand by more millions the illegal alien population in the U.S. AND they will create increasing social disturbance because after being here in the country, they'll continue to amplify their demands for more goods, benefits and services. They are not going to "just leave" after ten years. Or even after two years, or one.
it's traditional for Mexican drywallers to poop in the wall before the last panel goes on....
That is soooooooo disgusting.
You got it!
I have no doubt he will. Surely he must know that, which makes it all the more confusing why nothing has been done. Americans have been screaming about closing our borders since 9-11 and have only gotten back excuses or silence.
Tomatoes were picked for a long, long time before illegal aliens appeared under with the ruse that they were doing the work that Americans won't do.
And corn was harvested. And fruit was picked and steps were swept and cars were washed and children were raised and meals were cooked and...still are.
I always ask when people say this as to who do you think was doing the work BEFORE illegal aliens arrived? Everyone was doing the work, each and every day.
A lot of highschool kids can't find summer jobs today because most of what they'd be doing is taken by illegal aliens. Same with parttime workers, retirees and such. A lot of people are available to work but most labor is now filled by illegal aliens. I know most clerks in the local Target stores don't speak English.
Howlin, you're forgetting how great it is to lose on principle. Incrementalism be damned - there is no more glorious feeling than to look around at the end of the day and realize that you have gained absolutely nothing.
That explains why I haven't seen him, thanks. I'm surprised he lasted so long. :-)
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So, you're admitting that Bush hasn't done a thing about the border?
They can always hire legal residents, citizens. The only reason that those "farmers" are now dependent upon illegal aliens is because they're comfortable with the process.
If it comes down to them not being able to plant and harvest if they continue to break the laws, they'll be hiring citizens and right quickly. Do whatever it takes. I'm familiar with agricultural and ranching lands and communities and there are people who will do the work if the work is available and the wages are paid.
They will just have to start running a tighter ship, accept that legitimacy is preferable to illigitimacy and change their ways.
And line up workers a year before, offer incentives. Might be a rough change at first but isn't everything.
The reasoning that is based upon the maintaining of bad behavior because it's what works and what is easiest makes the bad behavior preferable is just wrong.
I read Tom's....good plan. : )
BTW, 'incrementalism' is 'boob-bait for bubbas'...
It surely must be a powerful feeling, as they kept doing it over and over. Apparently they get the same rush from gaining nothing that crack gives to dope heads.
our diversity is our strength.
I'll remember to have that carved on my headstone.....lolololol
Excellent comments! DITTO.
DITTO to that, too!
We headed in the same direction.>>> Oregon is beautiful<<<<
Be sure and stay for our Rain Festival!
It won't work if another 10 million arrive every year, above and beyond what we now have in the country.
Over half of Mexico's population says they'd move to the U.S. if the could, that they "want to". Start a Guest Worker program, and those fifty million or so will show up. All it took to vastly expand the existing illegal alien population in the U.S. at the start of Bush's first term was the mere mention of the word, "amnesty."
No. It's Rita that provided more work than my hubby can handle in our neck of the woods. From what we hear here, NO is filled with illegals doing rebuilding there. There's good pay my nephew told me. He's there working.
No way! That can't be true. That is a job Americans won't do!
I know. Aren't you tired of hearing that expression? It's such a lie.
IIRC, Landrieu was having a cow not too long ago about illegals doing the work. Now, Mitch Landrieu is talking about running for mayor there. Ahhhhh, nepotism, what a glorious thing to behold.
Shucks that ain't nuthin, we have a genuine Urine festival here.
I Kid you not. Golden Showers and all.
I don't know if others have considered this or not, but, I've often thought that the reason that AQ has not made an attack (yet) that brings notice to the access to the country via our Southern border (from Mexico), is because, if/when they did/do, it will force the issue as to Southern border insecurity.
Thus, I do believe that they are "preserving" their access ability using the Southern border of the U.S. by NOT focusing any more interest/concern than is necessary.
However, I regard people -- both in elected office and otherwise -- in our country who denounce the idea of increased Southern border security (among other promiscuities related) as being indulging the problems facing our nation as to security. They actually service the enemy..."a fence won't work" and similar is nonsense but it also seems a suspect statement, in my view. Entirely suspect.
What a pisser.
Evidently Bush has taken to channelling the wit and wisdom of Jimmy Carter. Great minds thinking alike.