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Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program
AP ^ | Feb 1, 2006 | AP

Posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:11 PM PST by Icelander

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To: My2Cents

Stop! You're bringing tears to my eyes!


201 posted on 02/01/2006 6:55:21 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: EternalVigilance

Chris Cannon's former top aide David Safavian was a partner of Jack Abramoff. Safavian, like Abramoff, has been arrested.

Cannon was a recipient of 'donations' from Abramoff and Safavian.

I keep hoping that Chris Cannon gets a promotion to the Big House before this is all over.


202 posted on 02/01/2006 7:04:58 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Travis McGee

That will never work.
Fences never work.
We must give amnesty because family values aren't stopped by fences. Or something.


203 posted on 02/01/2006 7:08:42 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Lol! Hey, where do I get one of those bayourod buttons? All I can find is this Duh-ane model, and it just wants to drink koolaid.


204 posted on 02/01/2006 7:11:14 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Cboldt

Now you have something there... it's not 'illegal immigration', it's 'compassionate immigration'. What's astounding is that the White House isn't trying to pass off their amnesty in exactly that phrase.


205 posted on 02/01/2006 7:15:55 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Stellar Dendrite

The 'gators ate him after Katrina wrecked their swamp.


206 posted on 02/01/2006 7:18:27 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Icelander

Secure the borders with all means necessary, including a dual-wall system and 'depth charges' to prohibit tunneling.

THEN talk a shamnesty Guest Worker program.


207 posted on 02/01/2006 7:18:42 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Howlin
"A lot of people, including the president, have put forth plans or ideas; they all get shot down."

Are these the same "plans" Vincente Fox proposes Poker Night at the ranch?

The "plan":

* Minimal Border Enforcement

* NO penalties for employers of illegal invaders

* Awarding virtual amnesty for illegals ALREADY HERE on the 6-year plan (like they won't have an anchor baby??)

* NO coherent mandate by the President to register the flood of law breakers already here.

* No addressing the "anchor-baby" issue problem

* Total BS and Lip-Service by the President last night on this issue.

208 posted on 02/01/2006 7:19:42 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
Are these the same "plans" Vincente Fox proposes Poker Night at the ranch?

And you wonder why nobody takes your seriously?

209 posted on 02/01/2006 7:20:28 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Howlin
How about addressing Dubya's so-called "plans."

OR was that "6-year guest worker" BS about it?

210 posted on 02/01/2006 7:22:27 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Howlin
they get the same rush from gaining nothing that crack gives to dope heads.

Fill us in on what that's like.

211 posted on 02/01/2006 7:25:28 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: My2Cents
Fair enough. But I'll be expecting to see you picking tomatos in the fields outside our town.

No, I think we should all pay 3 times as much for tomatos picked by union workers.

212 posted on 02/01/2006 7:26:01 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Shalom Israel

The GOP is just itching to be the minority party again, isn't it?


213 posted on 02/01/2006 7:26:55 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Pelham
Fill us in on what that's like.

These threads which you all are so fond are are Exhibit A, so I'm sure you have at least a passing familiarity with the feeling.

214 posted on 02/01/2006 7:27:32 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: F16Fighter
How about addressing Dubya's so-called "plans."

You're not the least bit interested in "addressing" anything with me. You're just looking for somebody new to beat over the head with the reams of factoids you have convinced yourself make your right and the rest of us wrong.

215 posted on 02/01/2006 7:35:47 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Howlin
"You're not the least bit interested in 'addressing' anything with me. You're just looking for somebody new to beat over the head with the reams of factoids you have convinced yourself make your right and the rest of us wrong."

Howlin, you're the one who claimed regarding illegal immigration that, "A lot of people, including the president, have put forth plans or ideas; they all get shot down."

All I'm asking for is for specifics. Real ones.

216 posted on 02/01/2006 7:51:10 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
All I'm asking for is for specifics. Real ones.

You know exactly what the president's plan is; you know all the others, too.

God knows you're all spent enough time shooting them down.

217 posted on 02/01/2006 7:55:30 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: F16Fighter; Howlin

Until George Bush includes the stratospheric costs of illegal alien incarceration and medical costs (in addition to public school costs and so many other welfare and other costs), then President Bush 's "plans" are a joke.

All President Bush talks about is "guest worker" plans and refuses to level with the American public that illegal aliens costs this nation more than the illegal alliens produce for us.


218 posted on 02/01/2006 7:56:25 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Howlin
"You know exactly what the president's plan is; you know all the others, too.

God knows you're all spent enough time shooting them down."

(Sigh) At least try channeling me with a hint....

OR let us try the Vulcan "Mind-Meld."

219 posted on 02/01/2006 8:00:12 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Howlin
These threads which you all are so fond are are Exhibit A, so I'm sure you have at least a passing familiarity with the feeling.

You're here posting on them, ergo I defer to your undoubted expertise with the experience. Ipse dixit. Bubble bubble toil and trouble, eh howly?

220 posted on 02/01/2006 8:00:39 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: F16Fighter

yeesh! That's a scary thought. I need a drink...


221 posted on 02/01/2006 8:01:58 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Pelham

I am here today because I had some time to kill.

But I never come on these threads anymore, just like the other 50,000 people registered at this site.

Because of stupid posts just like yours.

We just leave the 100 or so of you that inhabit these threads to continue to post the same inane drivel back and forth to each other like you've been doing for the last seven or so years.


222 posted on 02/01/2006 8:10:16 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888
"Until George Bush includes the stratospheric costs of illegal alien incarceration and medical costs (in addition to public school costs and so many other welfare and other costs), then President Bush 's "plans" are a joke."

And a bad joke at that.

The President is adamantly principled about defending the country and world from "tyranny," yet in the case of illegal invaders, he purposely and enigmatically engages in distorting the truth in both economic and sovereign terms.

And what about the law of the land and security issue??

223 posted on 02/01/2006 8:10:29 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Pelham

A double? :-)


224 posted on 02/01/2006 8:11:59 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Icelander
Not only do the illegal immigrants in this country not obey our immigration laws, neither do the politicians and bureaucrats charged with enforcing them - and that includes President George Bush, sadly.

How can there be any respect for the Rule of Law in America if millions disobey it yet get away with the wholesale breaking of it - and the ones specifically charged with the responsibility for upholding those very laws chuckle and look the other way?

225 posted on 02/01/2006 8:18:10 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Shalom Israel

Okay (laughing while typing).


226 posted on 02/01/2006 9:09:13 PM PST by mumps
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To: Prime Choice
"clue-by-four"

LOL! I've been saying that this may come down to some raw Buford Pusser action. My swing's not so spry anymore but if someone could somehow put Senator Ted's noggin in the batting zone...

Threatening an elected official is a crime so perhaps he could part with a third of his weight via liposuction and donate that to a charity bash-off. The participants would tire long before the material was expended.

Seriously though, Rep. Tancredo's coming back to my state next month to another Tennesseans for Reform of Immigration Policies meet. Hopefully he will have his plans ready for the upcoming elections ready for feedback. If Tom doesn't run the next staunchest reformer of immigration policy would be...McCain? Can you imagine a factual, literal "Manchurian Candidate" becoming President? What clues about being unhinged are his supporters not getting?

Keep laughing, PC. It keeps you looking forward for the next amazement to round the corner.

227 posted on 02/02/2006 2:15:06 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Howlin
I am here today because I had some time to kill. But I never come on these threads anymore, just like the other 50,000 people registered at this site.

Because of stupid posts just like yours.

We just leave the 100 or so of you that inhabit these threads to continue to post the same inane drivel back and forth to each other like you've been doing for the last seven or so years.

Are you citing official Free Republic policy? You mods are so reluctant to let us know what that is while it's so much easier to ambush us when we aren't able to read your minds. If you and you're co-moderators wouldn't mind, we "Border Wedgies" need to know how far we can express our views and opinions before you're Californian knot-headed sense of "Political Correctness" (aka The Frankfurt School) makes you ban us because your twisted panties causes you discomfort.

I've seen time and again brilliant minds thrown off this forum for the sole reason that their questions couldn't be answered honestly. Through all that I kept the faith that FR (JR) was just indulging in too much Wall Street Journal or the counsel of those who are raking it in because of illegal labor. Perhaps your lifestyle leads you to believe that a self-respecting individual wouldn't stoop to menial labor and that "other people" need to be employed for those functions, especially so because "no American would do it".

You have the cart before the horse on the entire situation (if you aren't part of the corrupt Cheap Labor pushers). American wages were always an earned reward for superior service and innovation, not at all an enemy of corporate profit. When that "corporation versus the yokels" attitude set in, thanks to the nickel-grubbing standards set by boards running scared after the dot com failures, outsourcing and utilization of "questionable yet defensible" labor became standard while our government (through effective lobbying) relaxed the laws to let this happen. What was Halliberton about to begin with...mining I think.

Screwing American labor has not gone unnoticed by the laborers, a group who has been told to reeducate themselves to adjust just to see the rug pulled from under them again. The Blue Collar class is HUGELY angry to see their jobs replaced by aliens who accomplish them by living three families to a house and offshore contracts that never deliver quality. They have been betrayed for the profit margin by real traitors and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Bottom Line: Get with what's good for America in the long run or get gone. Short-term profiteers are scummy pirates not even deservikng of the name (as pirates shared the booty and governed themselves democratically). Installing a sub-class of menials for the convenience of high-contributing donors and their pampered wives insures that sub-class eventually running violent in revolt somewhere down the line.

Learn to operate your mower. Employ the local kids for menial jobs. Report illegals to the authorities - most of them are steeped in criminality when you encounter them - note the multiple IDs they have with their face but different names. If you folks who are doing well don't help in this effort to repudiate corruption it will come back on you. People see who goes on your property.

If you're doing right you have no problem. If you're part of the corruption you are the problem.

228 posted on 02/02/2006 3:26:55 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus (And I'm coming to getcha...because I'm the Boogie Man!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Well said, Mr. Mojo.


229 posted on 02/02/2006 3:39:09 AM PST by Paulus
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To: Uncle Vlad

Apparently they are; if so, letting in tens of thousands of future welfare-recipients and democrat voters is a good strategy.


230 posted on 02/02/2006 4:10:47 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: mumps
Excellent--got ya!

Seriously, though, I believe in (essentially) free immigration, but I also believe in enforcing the laws. Scofflaw non-citizens should, at the very least, find it especially difficult to get in.

The reason I don't drink the libertarian kool-aid on this is that I do believe in some sort of screening. I don't think criminals, or folks carrying dangerous diseases, should be allowed to waltz across the border.

231 posted on 02/02/2006 4:13:19 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Until We address the millions already here, any 'rational' plan is useless. Why would any of these illegals want to comply with these plans when, they have everything in their favor now? One idea that might cure the monies flooding out of this country would be to freeze the funds. No more transfers of cash out of this country without proof of citizenship.
232 posted on 02/02/2006 4:33:51 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Shalom Israel

open border types, and border advocates, alike do not like his idea...

Guest worker, makes me draw these thoughts,

What about the illegals alreaady here?

If they cannot control the situation now, what makes me think they will will his new policy...


233 posted on 02/02/2006 6:06:27 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: My2Cents
You know who we never see on these immigration threads? -- farmers who have to get their crops harvested and to market before they rot. When I start seeing regular Americans lining up to work in the fields of America, I'll be convinced that some sort of guest worker program isn't necessary.

Ok.

I live in the Dallas Texas (DFW) area. Population 5.2 million. We do not have slaughter house industries, hog farms, cotton fields, lettuce crops, peach orchards, grapes, tomatoes, etc.

What we DO have is about 800,000 illegal aliens. So, tell me, what the hell jobs do the illegals have here? Off the books, illegally, no Social Security, no taxes, etc. That's what kind.

Jobs like I used to have... LEGALLY, paying all taxes and spending the money in this local economy.

If 25 MILLION illegal aliens ain't enough to "pick lettuce" then to hell with lettuce. I will pay "$6.00" the one time a year for the average amount of lettuce I require.

234 posted on 02/02/2006 7:42:17 AM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ Day -1 to Day 8, Texas Minutemen El Paso, 32 Days)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


235 posted on 02/02/2006 7:51:57 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Howlin
Because of stupid posts just like yours.

Thanks for your support, howlin.
FR would be a dull place without your sweet and well reasoned discourse.

Of course, I've also been known to appreciate nails on a chalkboard, burning tires, and chewing on tinfoil.

smooch

236 posted on 02/02/2006 1:40:58 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: F16Fighter

With a beer chaser!


237 posted on 02/02/2006 1:41:55 PM PST by Pelham ("Borders? We don' need no stinking borders!")
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To: Icelander

We already have a "Guest Worker Program" - all those H1B Visas in High Tech fields. Ostensibly, they fill jobs for which there are no Americans. In reality, it is a giant gift to big business to keep the salaries of high tech workers low!


238 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:08 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Icelander

I think Senor El Presidente Jorge Bush must have his sombrero on too tight! He just doesn't seem to get it when it comes to borders and illegal immigration!


239 posted on 02/02/2006 1:50:18 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Bush doesn't care that the normal american hates his guest worker plan. He doesn't care that in a few months after becomeing legal that these guest workers will be entitled to social security benefits. He doesn't look forward to the fact that we are not going to get SS when we retire and it's even more of a given fact that we'll get absolutely nada if the guest workers are in the soup. this whole thing makes me sick. I'll give them a guest worker program - it's called "Put on these little orange jumpsuits and drag the line, pick up the trash and don't let the door hit you on your a*% on the way out the American door.


240 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:57 PM PST by immigration lady (there are no atheists in foxholes.)
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