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Bush Calls For 'Rational, Humane' Guest Worker Program
AP ^ | Feb 1, 2006 | AP

Posted on 02/01/2006 12:04:11 PM PST by Icelander

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To: Howlin
What, you're bringing facts to a lynching?

You're playing the race card? I'm confused...

Unless, since the Bushes have invited Bubba into the family, perhaps that makes GW the second black president in history??

;-)

51 posted on 02/01/2006 12:46:16 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: longtermmemmory
As long as each visa is tied to a specific employer then the person will be tracked.

What is this a master-slave relationship? So the guest worker becomes the effective chattel of his employer; unable to resign, and fully dependent upon that employer for all social services. It is either that, or program where the guest worker resigns, no one can account for them, and they continue to be heavily subsidized by the US tax payer. In the latter case, I for one have no interest in contributing to help fund someone else's landscaping; and, of the former, I don't see how any self-sustaining program can be anything but repugnant to American values. We ended slavery once after much pain and anguish, and there is no reason to bring it back under a different guise.
52 posted on 02/01/2006 12:46:36 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I agree 110%....I been saying that for 20 years and those that know / knew me thought I was nuts and it wasn't that big an issue. Gee.....Why is Congress and W soooooo quite and deaf on this issue?


53 posted on 02/01/2006 12:46:44 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Itzlzha

I'm just glad someone as hateful as you won't be determining US immigration policy. (And if the Mods are notified of this "abusive" post, please note that I didn't call the other poster "excrement.")


54 posted on 02/01/2006 12:46:55 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: longtermmemmory
Rational: Guest workers are REQUIRED to leave the USA after ten years and may not return for work for a period of one year.

Rational: What if guest worker(s) decided that he/she likes his/her life in the US a whole lot better than in Mexico and decides to just stay?
Who rounds up thousands of "stay put" guest workers?

55 posted on 02/01/2006 12:47:23 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: oolatec
It's your town. You pick them. :)

I can't afford the reduction in income.

56 posted on 02/01/2006 12:47:44 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Icelander

The entire State of the Union Address was rendered useless by Bush, once again, doing the Texas Two-Step around the illegal alien invasion. Bad move, President Bush.

I saw on FOX News a sheriff from Ohio who is billing the US Government for the cost of illegal alien incarceration of illegal aliens in his Ohio jurisdiction.

We all talk of the cost of medical care of illegal aliens, but the cost of incarceration of thugs and low-lifes from Mexico and other foreign nations is stratospheric in cost also.

Anytime Bush mentions "guest workers" and fails to mention the BILLIONS we pay for medical care and jailing them is time when you take the remote and just zap Bush off.

Sad to say, many of us will zap Republicans at the polls in 06 and 08 due to the failure to enforce our borders and the destruction of our national sovereignty. Will the RATs be any better? No, they will be worse. But we count on Republicans to be the "reasonable party" and the Republican'ts have failed in their duty.


57 posted on 02/01/2006 12:48:49 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Flavius Josephus
start paying all your little mexicans

So that's the real concern here, is it?..."little mexicans"?

58 posted on 02/01/2006 12:48:58 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Howlin
Add: REQUIRED to learn English.

How exactly do you 'require' an illegal to learn English?

You can't even get em to obey the immigration laws.

59 posted on 02/01/2006 12:49:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: EternalVigilance
I'm confused...

Everybody here already knows that, but thanks for playing.

60 posted on 02/01/2006 12:49:41 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Icelander

Sadly, President Bush's failure to secure the borders is undermining his position WRT the NSA surveillence issue. IOW, he says that he is required by the Constitution to protect us against terrorists, but he refuses to take the needed actions to secure our borders against invasion.

Cherry picking which threats to act on does not lend credibility to his position. It really doesn't.

I am a long time Bush supporter, but I gotta call a spade a spade.


61 posted on 02/01/2006 12:50:02 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: oolatec
"The only rational guest worker program is NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM."

Real guests are invited.

62 posted on 02/01/2006 12:50:30 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Howlin

Nice non-answer. Par for yours truly...


63 posted on 02/01/2006 12:50:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: kinghorse
"So grab your IUD, morning after pill or abortion on demand and rest comfortable in the knowledge this government is going to make up the shortfall in reproduction numbers one way or another. The go go economy DEMANDS IT."

Illegal immigration is part of the punishment for legal abortion.
When will we ever learn?

64 posted on 02/01/2006 12:53:09 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: My2Cents

I raise and pick my own tomatoes and other vegetables and can them.....not a problem.....I also mow my own lawn. The problem is the government can't fleece our pockets as much if Americans have to pay more for their food and ADM, CONAGRA, etc. bottom lines aren't as good.......Why is it US citizens were able to labor in the fields 30 years ago and not now? Besides, a lot of harvesting has been automated......another lame excuse to turn a deaf ear and blind eye to the law.


65 posted on 02/01/2006 12:53:27 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: dixiechick2000

We've had five long years of rhetoric from this President on the issues related to illegal immigration and we still have wide open borders, over one million illegals attempting to enter the US every year and employers still violate the law by hiring illegals. This is undermining our national security. Period. Bush has offered nothing to solve the problems of illegal immigration. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 remains the law of the land. It specifically states that employers who hire illegals will be prosceuted and punished for violating the law. PresBush should enforce the IRCA of 1986. It would go a long way to resolving the illegal immigration problem America has today. If Bush means business, its time for him to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.


66 posted on 02/01/2006 12:54:52 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Howlin
Add: REQUIRED to learn English.

Why? English has never been designated as the official language in this country

How many times have you called a bank, retail, catalog, tech support and not got a message in Spanish?

Press one for "English", Press two for "Spanish"

English isn't required now

Requiring English will never happen just like all the guest workers going back when their special visa's are up will happen

67 posted on 02/01/2006 12:55:11 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: Itzlzha

Thank you for your comments....the truth really hurts sometimes, don't it. You're dead on target about the illegals and agriculture jobs and moving on to more skilled labor.


68 posted on 02/01/2006 12:55:56 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: apackof2
English isn't required now

So you're against it?

69 posted on 02/01/2006 12:56:06 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Howlin

Press 5 three times for Icelandic.


70 posted on 02/01/2006 12:58:09 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: MamaTexan
You Go MammaTex!!! Ditto.....Ditto.....say it 100 times a day to everyone on Capital Hill, members of the Council of Foreign Relations, and members of the Trilateral Commission.
71 posted on 02/01/2006 12:58:11 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: My2Cents
When I start seeing regular Americans lining up to work in the fields of America, I'll be convinced that some sort of guest worker program isn't necessary.

One of the agricultural industries that uses lots of illegal labor is the wine industry. Yet the Australian wine industry which does not have access to cheap labor from Mexico or anywhere else manages to make wines that are every bit as good to my pallet and are considerably cheaper. They have automated and they are thrashing our wine growers in the world market.

The same story can be told about the California vs Australian raisin industry.

There are lots of opportunities for automation in agriculture. The industry would be improved by more expensive labor because they would be forced to invest.

And speaking of expensive labor, Americans might start lining up when the growers start paying decent wages. I read all the time about illegal immigrant day laborers standing around on street corners begging for work with about a 20% chance of getting it. Apparently they would rather suffer 80% underemployment then work for the pathetic wages being offered by agriculture.

The borders are practically wide open with thousands of illegals coming every day and the farmers can't find workers. That ought to tell you something. They don't want just cheap labor. They want temporary slave labor.

72 posted on 02/01/2006 12:58:23 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Howlin

"I'm gonna build the fence about this high!"

73 posted on 02/01/2006 12:58:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: Shalom Israel

Legal immigrants can only come into the country after waiting 10 to 30 years, and I am talking about the adult sons and daughters of citizens. My 26 year old stepdaughter is not even allowed to visit her mother in the US during the 10 years it is taking to immigrate. It's a disgrace that Bush wants to let illegal aliens stay, but those who try to do things the right way are blocked.


75 posted on 02/01/2006 1:00:24 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Man on Dog
You mean only the brown ones, right?

Of course not. Swedish stewardesses too.

I'm all for free trade and open borders. Illegal entry saps my good will, because an act of defiance for the nation's laws is not the proper way to begin a life as a productive, law-abiding citizen.

76 posted on 02/01/2006 1:01:14 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: Howlin
So you're against it?

No of course not, what I should have said is that English SHOULD made the offical lanuage and we shouldn't have all these "menus", directions, etc in English and Spanish

This is America, we speak English

If you want to live here, LEGALLY, should use too

77 posted on 02/01/2006 1:01:16 PM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: GarySpFc
Legal immigrants can only come into the country after waiting 10 to 30 years, and I am talking about the adult sons and daughters of citizens... those who try to do things the right way are blocked.

That's why I said, "throw the doors wide open to legal immigration," OWTTE.

78 posted on 02/01/2006 1:02:18 PM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: jackbenimble
And speaking of expensive labor, Americans might start lining up when the growers start paying decent wages. I read all the time about illegal immigrant day laborers standing around on street corners begging for work with about a 20% chance of getting it. Apparently they would rather suffer 80% underemployment then work for the pathetic wages being offered by agriculture.

The borders are practically wide open with thousands of illegals coming every day and the farmers can't find workers. That ought to tell you something. They don't want just cheap labor. They want temporary slave labor.

Your #72 is a great post!

79 posted on 02/01/2006 1:02:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance (www.usbordersecurity.org)
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To: Icelander

Bush could do something about Illegel Immigration... Shut down the borders. But then every Pro-Business Republican and the entire Democratic Party would have a fit. The Dims will say that Bush is racist, classist, and so on. The Pro Business ones would say that we are gitting rid of a cheap labor source.


80 posted on 02/01/2006 1:03:34 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Icelander

Well, the People say NO to a guest worker program. Guess what? WE WIN!


81 posted on 02/01/2006 1:03:38 PM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Icelander
"Press 5 three times for Icelandic."

HAHA. Everytime I think I can puzzle out a few words of Icelandic, I listen to some native speakers and it might as well be Sanscrit.

82 posted on 02/01/2006 1:04:54 PM PST by Truth29
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To: My2Cents; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
I'm just glad someone as hateful as you won't be determining US immigration policy. (And if the Mods are notified of this "abusive" post, please note that I didn't call the other poster "excrement.")

No, OBL pultroons and corrupt politicos are making "US Immigration policy"...they just make sure that the Laws of the US aren't enforced!

But have another 10 Million "anchor Babies" thanks to a deliberate misreading of the 14th Amendment!

Disregard The Treaty of Guadelupe Hidalgo...
ARTICLE XVI

Each of the contracting parties reserves to itself the entire right to fortify whatever point within its territory it may judge proper so to fortify for its security.

Cry me another river that Pedro has been here 15 years, doesn't speak English (nice melting pot, huh?), and makes $600/week ILLEGALLY! And Americans are being laid off from Companies that are moving to Mexico for cheap labor and EPA regs (Steris anyone?)

Tell it to the people who have their S.S. numbers/I.D.'s stolen and raided by Illegals!

Tell it to the Border communities that are going bankrupt from the unfunded burden the Fed puts on them by DELIBERATELY refusing to enforce the Laws! Tell it to the Police that are now sending Bills for services to Mexico and the US Gub'Mint over Illegal Infiltrators!

Or the Medical Centers that are in the Red thanks to Illegals using the Emergency Room for the sniffles, and not paying for the service!

So, I said effluvia...and I'm the meanie who's "hateful"...when we have criminal Illegals like MS-13 and the MEXICAN ARMY running drugs and who-knows-what across the sieve that is a Border...that the Feds refuses to secure!

Just like the Brokeback Republicans, you need a spine, and maybe some patriotism for YOUR Country, and not the Illegal Infiltrators that are destroying it!


83 posted on 02/01/2006 1:05:57 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: ncountylee
The wall is the only realistic start to any reform.

I agree, the only solution is the Hunter Duncan proposal, which provides for twin 15 foot steel fences with sensors on 700 miles of the border.
84 posted on 02/01/2006 1:06:08 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: RJL

you nailed it RJL. we didn't even track down terrorist who overstayed their visa limits, yet I'm to believe we'll do that for poor, hardworking ,sympathethic Jorge who overstayed his legal welcome.

right....


85 posted on 02/01/2006 1:08:46 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: My2Cents
Truth is, mechanization exists for almost all products in the fruit and vegetable industry. Costs for produce would not change significantly. The only downside would be the up-front capitalization costs that would be required.

But let's say I'm wrong and the only way to get American's back into the fields and the construction industry is to raise wages (to something livable). Food and housing would cost a small percentage more. But the money would stay in the US, in our economy, it would be taxed, fewer American's would be on public assistance, and the massive amounts we spend on hand outs would end. It would be worth every penny and more in the long run.

86 posted on 02/01/2006 1:09:34 PM PST by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: GarySpFc

With as much sun that shinnes in the desert SW, electrification wouldn't be all that expensive either. Of course, let's add towers twin 50 cals that are activiated automatically with FLIR motion sensors.......would make it a serious 'b-winch' to cross then, wouldn't it? (Aaaayyyyeeee Coooruuumbbba!!!)


87 posted on 02/01/2006 1:10:33 PM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: apackof2

Absolutely.

And I think it SHOULD be the official language.


88 posted on 02/01/2006 1:10:40 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: RSmithOpt
Thank you for your comments....the truth really hurts sometimes, don't it. You're dead on target about the illegals and agriculture jobs and moving on to more skilled labor.

You are more than welcome! Thank you for your kind words.

Americans need to stand up and demand that our "Leaders" do the job "American Corrupt Politicians Won't Do!"

If you liked that, check Post 83

89 posted on 02/01/2006 1:10:46 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: ncountylee

fence first, farsical whimsy later.


90 posted on 02/01/2006 1:11:07 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: GarySpFc
I agree, the only solution is the Hunter Duncan proposal, which provides for twin 15 foot steel fences with sensors on 700 miles of the border.

I really like the sound of that.

91 posted on 02/01/2006 1:11:08 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: dixiechick2000

I guess you missed the part about "bringing the illegals in out of the shadows". THAT IS AMNESTY!!


92 posted on 02/01/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Shalom Israel
You mean only the brown ones, right?

You know they have lost the debate, when all they can do is throw down the


93 posted on 02/01/2006 1:13:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Icelander
You are tangling with one of the "Cult of Bush" Arch-Mages!

Be careful, lest ye gain their full wrath!


94 posted on 02/01/2006 1:14:50 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: EternalVigilance
How exactly do you 'require' an illegal to learn English?

The easiest way to have illegal workers speak English is to hire ones from different countries. Mexicans don't speak Tagalog. LOL

95 posted on 02/01/2006 1:15:10 PM PST by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: savedbygrace
Sadly, President Bush's failure to secure the borders is undermining his position

It also undermines his position on issues like Social Security. Why should we reduce entitlements to our own citizens; if we are still willing to pay hundreds of billions to support enormous numbers of Mexico's citizens. Shouldn't we take care of our own first; and, shouldn't we give priority to those who have actually paid into our system.
96 posted on 02/01/2006 1:17:29 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Howlin
Add: REQUIRED to learn English.

Never happen. Everytime we advocate it, some buttwipe tries to fit us with a Klan hood or a Nazi armband.

97 posted on 02/01/2006 1:18:51 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: afnamvet

"Who tracks the "guest worker" after the job ends?"

And who decides an American wouldn't do the job? And at what price? Except for agricultural stoop labor Americans will do the jobs.


98 posted on 02/01/2006 1:19:40 PM PST by Shermy
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To: bluetone006
Alternatives to Immigrant Labor?
The Status of Fruit and Vegetable
Harvest Mechanization in the United States

99 posted on 02/01/2006 1:23:10 PM PST by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: pbrown
I agree, the only solution is the Hunter Duncan proposal, which provides for twin 15 foot steel fences with sensors on 700 miles of the border.

In a town meeting Senator Brownback answer my call for a fence by saying it would not work. I replied, "A similar set of fences are working perfectly in Israel."
100 posted on 02/01/2006 1:24:32 PM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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