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Bush Offers Conservatives a Reminder
Human Events Online ^ | 2 February 2006 | Chuck Muth

Posted on 02/01/2006 2:50:05 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

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On the whole, we have to give the President a pass mark.
1 posted on 02/01/2006 2:50:06 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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He passes with high marks, but will not be valedictorian until he closes the borders.


2 posted on 02/01/2006 2:53:27 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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And a reminder of what conservatives need to look for in a new presidential candidate in 2008.
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Absolutely. We need a conservative, a patriot, a leader, and a person WITHOUT an elitist agenda...international, or otherwise.


3 posted on 02/01/2006 2:54:25 PM PST by EagleUSA
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This guy thinks EXACTLY what I have been thinking for years. Bush would be a great President if he had the stones Reagan had on domestic issues.

He will never be great because of his fiscal liberalism.


4 posted on 02/01/2006 2:54:27 PM PST by GianniV
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Still too much spending, but it beats the alternative.


5 posted on 02/01/2006 2:56:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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<$0.02 worth>
<Grammar Police>
The president clearly was trying to infer that anyone who opposed ILLEGAL immigration is ipso facto anti-immigrant.

"Infer" should have been "imply". The hearer/reader infers; the speaker/writer implies.

</Grammar Police>
</$0.02 worth>

On the balance, it was a very good SOTU. IMO.

6 posted on 02/01/2006 2:58:21 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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"Bush Offers Conservatives a Reminder "

Yes, a reminder that he's not all that conservative.


7 posted on 02/01/2006 2:58:39 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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True, that's why we need a fiscal conservative in 2008.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 3:02:49 PM PST by Tarkin (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito...one more to go)
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"And we can tackle this problem together, if you pass the line-item veto.

Uh, Bush, they tried that during the Clinton years and SCOTUS shot it down.

But you do have that veto pen, if it hasn't dried up like an Egyptian mummy by now from lack of use. Gerald Ford, for all we like to bash on him, vetoed the crap out of spending bills.

9 posted on 02/01/2006 3:05:39 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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My sentiments exactly. Good article.


10 posted on 02/01/2006 3:13:42 PM PST by curiosity
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Muth in 08


11 posted on 02/01/2006 3:19:57 PM PST by kerryusama04 (The Bill of Rights is not occupation specific.)
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"We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy," the president said. Bull! This is a dishonest cheap shot at opponents of his amnesty proposal. No one has said that immigrants are bad for the economy.

I don't think that's a cheap shot at all. For example, it is my impression that many FR posters are opposed not just to illegal immigration but to nearly all immigration. Consequently there are many threads bashing H1B even though these immigrants are legal. Many other threads bemoan perceived cultural threats of immigrants regardless of their legality.

12 posted on 02/01/2006 3:42:32 PM PST by edsheppa
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Bull! This is a dishonest cheap shot at opponents of his amnesty proposal. No one has said that immigrants are bad for the economy. However, quite a few folks have said that ILLEGAL immigrants are a drain on local, state and the national economies. And they are. That one word makes a BIG difference. The president clearly was trying to infer that anyone who opposed ILLEGAL immigration is ipso facto anti-immigrant. That kind of false statement and tactic should be below the President of the United States. But it wasn't. How disappointing.

Wow! I must have made this point in at least three threads on Free Republic, two threads over at GOPUSA and one at FAIR before I saw this article. This article even repeats a few of my exact words. I'm wondering if I should be flattered?

13 posted on 02/01/2006 3:59:30 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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"If we were to leave these vicious attackers alone, they would not leave us alone."
"There is no peace in retreat. And there is no honor in retreat."
"Fellow citizens, we are in this fight to win, and we are winning."
"The road to victory is the road that will take our troops home."
"(Decision to) decrease our troop levels (in Iraq)...will be made by our military commanders, not by politicians in Washington, DC."
"Hindsight alone is not wisdom. And second-guessing is not a strategy."
".(O)ur nation has only one option: We must keep our word, defeat our enemies, and stand behind the American military in its vital mission."
"If there are people inside our country who are talking with al-Qaeda, we want to know about it -- because we will not sit back and wait to be hit again."

President Bush was in rare form last night. I was almost proud again that I voted for him twice.

But this is an election year ...

14 posted on 02/01/2006 4:22:11 PM PST by manwiththehands (Good news for America = bad news for democRats.)
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"Uh, Bush, they tried that during the Clinton years and SCOTUS shot it down."

Two changes at SCOTUS.


15 posted on 02/01/2006 4:58:54 PM PST by truth_seeker
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Two changes at SCOTUS.

Scalia, O'Connor and Breyer dissented. So that means it would still be 5-4 unless a new law satisfied some of the concerns of the majority.

16 posted on 02/01/2006 5:05:16 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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Consequently there are many threads bashing H1B even though these immigrants are legal. Many other threads bemoan perceived cultural threats of immigrants regardless of their legality.

This is true. I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who is generally a Mexo-phile, I should say that the problem as I see it is not merely illegal or legal immigration, but in what numbers. We are admitting, between illegal and legal immigrants, something like a million and a half per year. This is a big country, and the fact that we still have the lowest unemployment rate in the world tells us that they are being absorbed into the economy. But that is a number sufficient to cause visible cultural changes, rather than the slow-motion cultural changes that would be caused if the numbers were smaller.

Most people who favor immigration, which is most people, favor it in numbers at a level that can be assimilated without noticeable changes to the culture. Since the classic-liberal/conservative culture that makes America what it is, is not explicitly taught in schools, it has to be inhaled or absorbed through direct contact. It is the fear of losing that element of our culture that drives the fear, not of immigration, but of million-and-a-half-per-year-immigration.

What is the right number? Its frankly never been discussed publicly. Its a decision that is made behind closed doors, and we simply accept the outcome. Another reason people are a little annoyed.

Now to push this thread a little farther, its interesting to note that we abort a million-plus people per year, which means that our immigration rate approximately equals the numbers we abort, which may explain how we can absorb so many and still have a very low unemployment rate. The newcomers are replacing Americans who were not born. Which might imply that, as we replace Democrat babies with immigrants, these cultural changes are an inevitable consequence.

Still, our political class has not consulted us, its a debate we've never had. So we're having it now.

17 posted on 02/01/2006 5:13:13 PM PST by marron
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"Scalia, O'Connor and Breyer dissented. So that means it would still be 5-4 unless a new law satisfied some of the concerns of the majority."

Well obviously you know more about it, then I do.

But if Clinton and Bush both think it would be worth doing, I should think it might be in the category of "the right thing" also.

So there must be plenty of lawyers and lawmakers, to get it done.


18 posted on 02/01/2006 5:22:20 PM PST by truth_seeker
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Noticeable cultural change is inevitable irrespective of immigration so I don't see why someone would oppose immigration for that reason.

I don't think it is primarily a question of the numbers of immigrants but rather of who they are (another reason to oppose illegal immigration - they have no respect for the law). Our government should always be striving for policies with the greatest possible net social benefit. We have no such strategic immigration policy.

19 posted on 02/01/2006 6:06:41 PM PST by edsheppa
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many FR posters are opposed not just to illegal immigration but to nearly all immigration.

And I think you are exagerating.. Most on here are not opposed to legal immigration. Most just want the the current laws enforced. Most are opposed to the current amnesty bills being offered for that reason. I certainly see nothing wrong with entering legally.

20 posted on 02/01/2006 8:11:46 PM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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