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Nazi hunter brands Austria a "paradise" for Nazis
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 2/1/06 | Reuters

Posted on 02/01/2006 10:42:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria's legal system and its insufficient zeal in investigating alleged crimes committed under Hitler's Third Reich make it a "paradise for Nazi war criminals," a top Nazi hunter said on Wednesday.

Frustrated at slow progress in finding suspected war criminals in Austria and bringing them to court, Simon Wiesenthal Center director Efraim Zuroff came to Vienna for talks with ministers aimed at accelerating the process.

"The law in this country does more to protect Nazis than to bring them to justice," Zuroff told reporters after talks with Austria's ministers for justice and the interior.

"There is a system here that makes Austria a paradise for Nazi war criminals, plain and simple," he added.

Austria's interior ministry declined to comment while the justice ministry was not immediately available for comment.

One case Zuroff raised in his meetings was that of Milivoj Asner, who fled Croatia after being exposed by the Simon Wiesenthal Center and now lives in the southern Austrian city of Klagenfurt.

Zagreb has asked Vienna to extradite him but Austria has so far refused on the grounds he is Austrian and is therefore ineligible for extradition, Zuroff said.

Austria is investigating the accusations against Asner, which include overseeing the deportation of hundreds of Jews, Serbs and Gypsies to Nazi concentration camps.

Because Asner is alleged to have played a part in people's killings but not to have killed anyone himself, he cannot be tried in Austria because a statute of limitations applies to such crimes, Zuroff said.

Zuroff argues that Asner, who has Croatian and Austrian passports, should be deported because he obtained Austrian citizenship "under false pretences" by not declaring he was wanted for war crimes.

"The only hope we have here is that his Austrian citizenship gets canceled," Zuroff said.

Zuroff also said not enough was being done to find war crimes suspects or inform the public of who these suspects are.

"There are too many people in this country who want these problems to disappear. This is the problem, and this is why we came here to press the case because if we didn't press the case nothing would happen."

He criticized the way investigations were handled. "Apparently the modus operandi is not to look very hard for evidence and then to speak to the suspect and ask him: 'Well, are you guilty?"' he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: austria; brands; croatia; efraimzuroff; hunter; nazi; nazihunter; nazis; paradise; wiesenthal

1 posted on 02/01/2006 10:42:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Simon Wiesenthal was a hero to all mankind, he dedicated his life to hunting down Nazi scum.

I'm glad to see the center that bears his name continues the fight.


2 posted on 02/01/2006 10:50:46 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: RWR8189

In a few years, the hunt will end as all those who escaped will be dead.

The matter of educating folks as to the horrendous acts committed will not and should not end.

Simon Wiesenthal also believed in

Never Forget!


3 posted on 02/01/2006 10:56:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Of course Austria is a haven for Nazis. Hitler was massively popular there. The Wermacht didn't have to fire a shot to take over Austria.

Hell, wasn't one of the PMs a Nazi a few years back?

And as far as 'never forget' goes; it's a rude joke. The world 'forgets' all the time. Cambodia, China, the Ukraine, the USSR, Rwanda, Iraq, Iran slaughering religious minorities...never forget my ass.

L

4 posted on 02/01/2006 11:00:00 PM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: NormsRevenge

a 20 year old in 1935 would be 91 today


5 posted on 02/01/2006 11:04:21 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Lurker

wasn't one of the PMs a Nazi a few years back?

Kurt Waldheim is who you're referring too, I believe.


6 posted on 02/01/2006 11:07:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Lurker
When I read the title of this piece, I thought of, and looked up Mr. Waldheim.

"In 1986 he was elected president of Austria, despite the scandal caused by the revelation that he had been an officer in a German army unit that committed atrocities in Yugoslavia during World War II; he denied any knowledge of the atrocities.

An international investigation cleared him of complicity, but many felt he must have known more than he revealed. His tenure as president was marked by international isolation, and he did not run in 1992."

And these are the people that didn't want Tookie executed.

encyclopedia.com/

7 posted on 02/01/2006 11:22:11 PM PST by Daaave (NEXUS 6. "More human than human ." is our motto.)
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To: Daaave

Thanks.

Specifically, I believe he was an intelligence officer.


8 posted on 02/01/2006 11:25:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: samtheman

Arresting a 90 something year old won't do anybody any good.


9 posted on 02/01/2006 11:27:30 PM PST by Pro-Bush (We protect Korea's border better than our own!)
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To: Daaave
Thanks, I thought it was Waldheim but I wasn't sure.

L

10 posted on 02/01/2006 11:29:03 PM PST by Lurker (I trust in God. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: NormsRevenge
No court any where in the world has brought charges against Milivoj Asner. Though Croatia has asked that he be extradited, they also have brought no charges against him. Austria nor any other country in the world is going to extradite a citizen without charges.

Mr. Zuroff should be pressuring Croatia to bring charges against Asner instead of pressuring Austria.

11 posted on 02/01/2006 11:30:15 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Lurker
"UN pays former Nazi Waldheim 125G annual pension"

"...the ex-Wehrmacht intelligence officer with an annual pension of $124,754 — which he receives in Vienna and can expect to collect every year until the day he dies, the Daily News has learned."

"(The U.N. General Assembly) voted Waldheim a series of pension-allowance raises — even as evidence surfaced of his alleged role in the mass deportations of Greek and Yugoslav Jews to Nazi death camps, and in the execution of Allied prisoners, in 1942-45."

"Because the U.S. share of the UN's regular budget was 25% until January 2001, when it was reduced to 22%, Washington has shelled out about $555,000 of the total."

nydailynews.com/

12 posted on 02/01/2006 11:40:34 PM PST by Daaave (NEXUS 6. "More human than human ." is our motto.)
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To: Daaave
Well that's money well spent.

L

13 posted on 02/01/2006 11:49:56 PM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Daaave

Kurt Waldheim (Second from the left.) with Artur Phleps outside of the Podgorica, Montenegro airfield in 1943.

I should have included this:
"Between 1982 and the end of this year, the disgraced diplomat will have pocketed more than $1.8 million."

14 posted on 02/01/2006 11:50:11 PM PST by Daaave (NEXUS 6. "More human than human ." is our motto.)
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To: Daaave
despite the scandal caused by the revelation that he had been an officer in a German army unit that committed atrocities in Yugoslavia during World War II; he denied any knowledge of the atrocities.

Q. What is Waldheimer's Disease?

A. When you forget that you were once a Nazi.

15 posted on 02/02/2006 12:01:46 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Lurker
And as far as 'never forget' goes; it's a rude joke. The world 'forgets' all the time. Cambodia, China, the Ukraine, the USSR, Rwanda, Iraq, Iran slaughtering religious minorities...never forget my ass.

I always thought the Iron Curtain was a way to keep western media and peoples relatives out of eastern Europe's/USSR's killing fields from investigating the 60 million that were murdered and property stolen.

I also found it strange that the term "IRON CURTAIN" was used by a Nazi describing what USSR was all about.

Than Winston Churchill popularized the term "Iron Curtain".

Who is next....

16 posted on 02/02/2006 12:21:52 AM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Lurker
"And as far as 'never forget' goes; it's a rude joke. The world 'forgets' all the time. Cambodia, China, the Ukraine, the USSR, Rwanda, Iraq, Iran slaughering religious minorities...never forget my ass."

Communists can kill hundreds of millions and still get a pass from most people, including Jews. All people care about prosecuting is the Nazis. I have always thought it strange, but then the would is an exceedingly strange place.
17 posted on 02/02/2006 7:21:38 AM PST by monday
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To: Pro-Bush

that's what I was thinking


18 posted on 02/02/2006 8:44:41 AM PST by samtheman
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To: monday
Communists can kill hundreds of millions and still get a pass from most people, including Jews.
Especially Jews. There is no human being more idealistic and more stupid on planet earth than a leftist Jew. They support all manner of communist schemes that invariably ending up turning anti-semitic in the extreme.

Are you a Jew? Are you a leftist? You are one brain-dead SOB. And your numbers are legion.

19 posted on 02/02/2006 8:46:58 AM PST by samtheman
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To: FormerLib; joan; SJackson

ping


20 posted on 02/02/2006 9:17:55 AM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Austria's legal system and its insufficient zeal in investigating alleged crimes committed under Hitler's Third Reich make it a "paradise for Nazi war criminals,"

Including a certain ex-UN Secretary General.

21 posted on 02/02/2006 9:19:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Daaave; joan
And thousands of Serbian Orthodox Christians were deported as well....

Weren't they Joan?

22 posted on 02/02/2006 9:20:22 AM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:32:14 AM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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To: monday
Communists can kill hundreds of millions and still get a pass from most people, including Jews. All people care about prosecuting is the Nazis. I have always thought it strange, but then the would is an exceedingly strange place.

That's not a function of "the world", but the countries they committed their crimes in. For example, in this case Croatia is attempting to prosecute a Nazi. There's nothing preventing Russia, for example, from prosecuting former Communists. Or from requesting their deportation if they've fled the country. It simply doesn't happen very often.

24 posted on 02/02/2006 10:37:40 AM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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To: NormsRevenge
In a few years, the hunt will end as all those who escaped will be dead.

Not really.
There looks to be plenty of Today's New Nazis in Iran to be
tracked down and dealt justice.
25 posted on 02/02/2006 10:49:23 AM PST by VOA
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To: Lurker
It was Kurt Waldheim. Not only was he the PM of Austria, he was secretary General of the U.N. as well

There may have been a hard liner more recently, but Waldheim wore the uniform

26 posted on 02/02/2006 1:17:49 PM PST by jmcenanly
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To: jmcenanly

And yet not as bad as Kofi.


27 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:03 PM PST by JMS
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To: monday
All people care about prosecuting is the Nazis.

Some Communists have been put on trial, particularly in East Germany, but the problem is that you have thousands or millions of people culpable in the crimes and it tears a society apart. Justice can't happen when so many people are tainted. I think 1 in 6 East Germans informed for the Stasi.

The lesson you should take away from the Nazi prosecutions is not "everyone wants to hunt them down", but that it's 60+ years after the war and there are still plenty of criminals out there who never faced justice and never will. There were few trials immediately after the war, only the big leaders, because many Germans were tied in with the regime and the countries had to move on with the people they had as citizens. people who had once been Nazis and now democrats. So everyone agreed to ignore the past for decades, not talking about the Holocaust or war crimes.

War crimes trials came much later, first with Eichmann in 1961, and only moreso in the 1970s when a generation of adults had grown up in Germany free of the Nazi taint and willing to look at past crimes.
28 posted on 02/02/2006 2:02:59 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory

One thing that gives me great peace of mind as a Christian is the specific New Testament (and implied Old Testament) teaching of judgement...for every single human being. Every country has its serious injustices...murderers who get away with it....rapists never caught...or sometimes, whole races who rise up and commit genocide (or democide, actualy the proper general term for the purposeful killing of entire populations civilians.) No matter how dilligent and competant a justice system is...some will get away with it--and on the world stage, that means thousands who've murdered innocents, go free and prosper. A terrible miscarriage of justice, for sure, however, when all is said and done, its a great comfort to know there is a Judge, who will set things right.

America's (and the UK's) system of innnocent until proven guilty foundational principle is based on that premise...that we should do all we can to punish wrong doers, but must assume innocence, as it is worse to punish an innocent man than to miss punishing a guilty one....because, even after we mess up....justice will prevail in the universe.

The most concentrated killing ever recorded though was in our lifetime....not long ago. In 1994 between April and June, up to ONE MILLION of the Tutsi tribe were slaughtered (literally, mostly by machete) by the majority Hutu tribe in Rwanda. That's nearly 300,000 a month. Even the Nazis were never so "efficient"... and the UN (and Bill Clinton) did not try to stop it. More that 10% of the country was hacked to death.

There are probably over 100,000 perpetrators of the Rwandan butchery....and most of these will never see punishment--to even try to prosecute all would be impossible practically and yes, it would destroy those who remain in that country. Prosecutors have sought out the ringleaders of the butchers...but that's the best they can do.

Yet the untold story is the amount of reconciliation that has occured....not led by UN peacekeepers, but by the churches of that land. Repentent murderers worship side by side now with those whose families they wiped out. It's almost beyond understanding how such healing can occur. I'm not saying its good policy to let repentent murderers off the hook--but with a situation like Rwanda, the numbers of people involved were so vast...it would take another genocide to punish them--something no one wants to occur. That God will hold people to account...and that the blood of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit can forgive and even turn murderers into godly persons is truly incredible.


29 posted on 02/02/2006 4:13:01 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
That God will hold people to account...and that the blood of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit can forgive and even turn murderers into godly persons is truly incredible.

Beautifully said, thanks.

30 posted on 02/03/2006 11:17:07 PM PST by xJones
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To: SJackson
"There's nothing preventing Russia, for example, from prosecuting former Communists. Or from requesting their deportation if they've fled the country. It simply doesn't happen very often.."

Why not? Why do murderers get a pass if they are communist murderers? Why do people tolerate Communist parties while vilifying, ostracizing and even making Nazi parties illegal in most European countries? Why aren't Communist parties illegal?

Communists have killed far more people than Nazi's. Communism is the number one ideological killer of the twentieth century, yet hardly anyone seems to care that there are still Communists everywhere you look.
31 posted on 02/06/2006 7:00:32 AM PST by monday
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To: HostileTerritory
"Some Communists have been put on trial, particularly in East Germany, but the problem is that you have thousands or millions of people culpable in the crimes and it tears a society apart. Justice can't happen when so many people are tainted. I think 1 in 6 East Germans informed for the Stasi."

Exactly the same situation as Nazi Germany. I think Nazi's should be prosecuted, but so should Communists. They have killed millions more people than Nazi's.

How do you explain that while Nazi parties are reviled virtually everywhere and are illegal in most European countries, Communist parties, far from being reviled or illegal, are considered legitimate political parties in much of the world? Where is the justice? Societies who fail to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

I don't care if it "tears society apart". A society that tolerates Communists deserves to die!
32 posted on 02/06/2006 7:11:14 AM PST by monday
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To: monday

It is very difficult to reconcile democracy with justice for the crime committed by groups in the past. You can't argue away this contradiction; if people have the right to vote, they have the right to vote for groups that in the past committed terrible acts. It's especially difficult when the current groups do NOT intend to commit mass murder, but are guilty only of softpedaling past crimes and wanting to enact policies that fall far short of what their predecessors did.

If you ban a party that calls itself Communist, its members will regroup and call themselves Democratic Socialists, and present themselves to the voters. Nazis were banned after World War II, so their followers created Populist Parties or Nationalist Parties which did not say "we're going to kill all the Jews" (since that problem was "solved" anyway) but did put forth nationalist, anti-capitalist, anti-immigrant rhetoric. You can't keep human nature down. It's just not that easy.

Where would you even find trained judges in post-war Germany to try Nazis, when every judge has been a Nazi? A very high percentage of judges, years after the war, had been party members. Being trained in the law in the 1930s and 1940s meant being entwined with the Nazi state. These obstacles are real and enormous.


33 posted on 02/06/2006 7:40:33 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: monday

"Why aren't Communist parties illegal?"

Thats a good question.

The problem is that today's American Democrats and European Socialist are not much different then the Communist.
They could be coming to a neighborhood near you.
There are plenty, like Cindy, the media whore, that love Castro, Jackson, and Chavez.


34 posted on 02/06/2006 8:04:17 AM PST by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: HostileTerritory
"You can't argue away this contradiction; if people have the right to vote, they have the right to vote for groups that in the past committed terrible acts. It's especially difficult when the current groups do NOT intend to commit mass murder, but are guilty only of softpedaling past crimes and wanting to enact policies that fall far short of what their predecessors did."

Nazi parties are illegal in most European countries. Europeans therefore have NO RIGHT to vote for Nazi's. The reason for this is that Nazi ideology is incompatible with democracy. That is to say, people could vote the Nazi party into power once, but only once. Democracy would end the moment Nazi's assumed power.

The same is true of Communism. Look at what has happened to Venezuela. Chavez will never allow another election that has not been throughly rigged to allow him to stay in power.

This is the MO of Fascists and Communists the world over and why all Fascist and Communist parties should be outlawed.

Let them call themselves anything they want but if they walk like a duck and talk like a duck, ban them. Use the lessons we have learned about the socialistic tendencies of both Fascism and Communism to repudiate anyone who advocates socialism.

We know for instance that both Hitler and Stalin prohibited the private ownership of guns. They both nationalized important industries, directly in Stalins case, indirectly in Hitlers. Both banned opposition parties, Hitler banned smoking, Stalin banned practically everything.

Incidentally, the government Iraqi's have voted into office will very probably be the first and last Democratically elected government in Iraq. The reason.... Islam is incompatible with Democracy also and the newly elected Iraqi government is throughly Islamic.

Any ideology that allows or encourages one to kill or enslave those with opposing ideologies is incompatible with Democracy.

It's a simple lesson but one society seems slow in learning.
35 posted on 02/06/2006 8:55:34 AM PST by monday
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To: Lurker

There are two lies about WW2. The first is that Hitler was a German. The second one is that Austria was an occupied country
Kurt Waldheim was PM in Austria, and if I remember right, he was in the SS. Publically he basically shrieked "Lies! All lies! I was in law school in Vienna!" They had to add a new disease to psychiatric jounals: Waldheimer's Disease; "I was a nazi, but I forgot!"


36 posted on 02/10/2006 12:00:01 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Daaave
Kurt was the only second lieutenant in any army involved in WWII who was NEVER PROMOTED.

Was that just his "cover", or was he doing something that kept him off the Eastern Front?

The mysteries about the guy are enormous.

37 posted on 03/02/2006 7:59:32 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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