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New Stryker Variants Gear Up for Testing
Defense Industry Daily ^ | 02-Feb-2006

Posted on 02/02/2006 2:41:42 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

General Dynamics Land Systems in Sterling Heights, MI received a $24.5 million contract for spare parts that are unique to the two newest Stryker variants: the M1128 Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) and the M1135 Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Reconnaissance Vehicle (NBCRV). This contract funds procurement of initial unique spares for the first-time fielding of these two variants, and has a total potential value of $50 million if all options are exercised.

So, how does this fit into the evolution of the USA's Stryker vehicle family, and future production plans?

The Stryker MGS and NBCRV variants entered low-rate initial production (LRIP) in December 2005. General Dynamics will deliver 17 of the Stryker NBC Reconnaissance Version and 72 of the Mobile Gun Sysytem variants during low-rate initial production. The vehicles will be used for various tests and user evaluations through Q4 2007, and the Milestone C decision to begin full-rate production of both variants is also slated for the fourth quarter of 2007.

The M1128 Stryker MGS variant is meant as a direct-fire infantry assault vehicle with a 105mm cannon mounted in a low-profile, fully stabilized, "shoot-on-the-move" turret. It's intended to provide firepower support for Stryker Brigade Combat Teams, primarily for engaging hardened positions but also for dealing with enemy vehicles as required. It will also be used by the Canadian Armed forces.

Stryker MGS has had a rocky development history, with widespread reports of problems with the recoil of its gun and center of gravity. DID's photo up top would even appear to indicate a support bracket for firing tests, though a specific inquiry to General Dynamics Land Systems, we received this response:

As you can see from the photo the recoil is not a problem firing the gun for the vehicle.... in the past critics have made the claim that you could not fire over the side but the photo proves you can. What you identified in the red box is the instrumentation cables used to manual fire the gun and collect data. Other photos show the same cables as well.

Recoil was not an issue it was the pepper-pot muzzle break on the earlier vehicles that was used to let gas escape and lesson the recoil. When we lowered the gun turret to allow loading in C-130 Hercules the gas from firing was too close to the vehicles front end. We returned to a standard 105mm cannon without the pepper pot muzzle break and adjusted for the recoil in the mechanism.

The M1135 Stryker NBCRV, meanwhile, provides the U.S. Army's Stryker Brigade Combat Teams with the Department of Defense's newest nuclear, biological and chemical detection equipment in a Stryker chassis. The core of the NBC RV is its on-board integrated NBC sensor suite and integrated meteorological system. An NBC positive overpressure system that minimizes cross-contamination of samples and detection instruments, provides crew protection, and allows extended operations at MOPP 0 (i.e. without protective clothing for its occupants).

The MGS and NBCRV have a high level commonality with the rest of the 310 Strykers that comprise a Stryker Brigade Combat Team, easing the unit's training and logistics burden. The Army is slated to have six Stryker Brigade Combat Teams by 2008, and some of them have already served in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Work will be performed in Sterling Heights, MI (73%), London Ontario, Canada (15%), Tallahassee, FL (10%), and Scranton, PA (2%), and is expected to be complete by July 31, 2007. This was a sole source contract initiated on Dec. 9, 2003 by the Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command in Warren, MI (DAAE07-02-C-B001). See also corporate release.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; US: Florida; US: Michigan; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: sbct; stryker; wheeledarmor


1 posted on 02/02/2006 2:41:45 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Where are the M8 AGSs that were suppose to be sent to Iraq?


2 posted on 02/02/2006 2:42:57 AM PST by Wiz
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Stryker Brigade Combat Team Tactical Studies Group (Chairborne)


3 posted on 02/02/2006 2:44:44 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Wiz

Probably still sitting in York.


4 posted on 02/02/2006 2:49:39 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
That 105mm is what we could use! I
'd like to see either a short barreled version or a multi-missile (Helfire) version.
5 posted on 02/02/2006 2:49:59 AM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Vetvoice; af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; ...

ping


6 posted on 02/02/2006 2:56:36 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: endthematrix

Stryker ATGM

7 posted on 02/02/2006 3:00:28 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

BTT


8 posted on 02/02/2006 3:04:19 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

That's TOW right?


9 posted on 02/02/2006 3:06:01 AM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We are currantly gearing up for production for the light weight, low profile gunmount seen in the photo's, at our facility.


10 posted on 02/02/2006 3:08:12 AM PST by exnavy (God bless Amreica)
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To: endthematrix

Yep.


11 posted on 02/02/2006 3:10:00 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

So does the low-ranked man in the crew have to hop out and deploy those anti-rollover jacks, if you have to fire your MGS Stryker with the turret at 90 degrees?


12 posted on 02/02/2006 3:13:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: exnavy
Why not one with a quad 50 and a couple of Mark 19s for the anti-personell role?

Maybe it's just me, but this old grunt likes to be able to throw a lot of lead downrange. Maybe one with a couple of coax mounted 7.62 mini-guns.....

L

13 posted on 02/02/2006 3:13:33 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I'd sure like to see those other pics, that show that those are "cable runs", by the way.


14 posted on 02/02/2006 3:14:42 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: endthematrix

Hellfire

15 posted on 02/02/2006 3:16:41 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

America! F*** YEAH!


16 posted on 02/02/2006 4:58:33 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: endthematrix
That 105mm is what we could use! I 'd like to see either a short barreled version or a multi-missile (Helfire) version.

Well, a multi- Ground Launch Hellfire [AKA Brimstone in the vehicle-launched role] missile shooter would be a Godsend to infantry units without their own other dedicated AT vehicle assets.

Consider a 2,500m/s missile that rides a laser beam to a target up to 10km away, with near- fire and forget performance, the possibility of multiple launch/ multiple engagement and a high rate of fire [4-6 missiles away before reload] without wire guidance subject to WP countermeasures and hard to interfere with in flight with dazzlers or jamming or direct attack (the front of the missile could consist of solid penetrator so a laser beam would do very little to stop it- and would itself act as a kinetic energy *shot round* against other lightly armoured vehicles, APCs and MICVs)

Better yet: if it could also serve as a battalion-level air defense vehicle, better suited than replacing the Javelin gunner in the open hatch of a Stryker with a Stinger missile operator- the most probable target being a hovering or oncoming attack helo with visions of Stryker kills dancing in the gunner's head.

Likewise, that Canadian 25mm gun version [awfully reminiscent of a Marine LAV, though the LAV/25mm has an amphibious capability] is interesting, though a 30mm upgrade will likely be in the future, just as Ivan and his Ukranian cousins are moving away from 23mm guns for their APCs to 30mm.

The real winner of the US Stryker series looks to be that M1135 Stryker NBC Recon Vehicle, a very suitable replacement for the 6-wheel M93A1 Fox NBC recon vehicle that at least offers automotive parts compatability with the other Stryker vehicles. However, the M93A1 Fox was amphibious-capable, and the new Stryker-based M1135 is not.

When we come to a river now, we stop- unless heavy lift helos are available. Maybe the old Fox vehicles can go to the Louisiana NationalGuard in the event of another Hurricane Katrina-type disaster.


17 posted on 02/02/2006 12:59:31 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Hellfire

Brimstone [fire-and-forget version]

[first Brimstone ground launch test, August 1999:


18 posted on 02/02/2006 1:04:00 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Lurker
Why not one with a quad 50 and a couple of Mark 19s for the anti-personell role?

I've observed a Central American WWII-era built M8 armored car [6-wheeler, Mogas engine] fitted with the power turret and quad .50s of an M55 mount, more usually found fitted in the back of an M16A1 halftrack or duece-and-a-half truck. At the time they were also reworking their M20 versions [and old WWII M3A1 and M5A1 light tanks] fitted with a single-shot 37mm AT gun, for replacements with 20mm autocannons. I imagine the possibility of a 25mm Chain Gun is do-able, but their Escuadron de Caballeria seemed to think that the 20mm guns were quite an improvement.

Maybe it's just me, but this old grunt likes to be able to throw a lot of lead downrange. Maybe one with a couple of coax mounted 7.62 mini-guns.....

L

Dillon Aero boss Mike Dillon, whose company rebuilds and reworks M134 miniguns for the U.S. military and other customers, had [and may still have!] an old quad .50 mount with a single M134 replacing all those .50s. For any thin-skinned targets less than an armored vehicle, that allows the minigun to carry ammunition WAY in excess of that most mounts could handle [usually just the 3000-round aircraft ammo can] But I'm sure Mike could set his up with twin guns very easily if he was so inclined.

Of course, there's always Jon Ciener's triple minigun setup...


19 posted on 02/02/2006 1:24:29 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: FreedomPoster
So does the low-ranked man in the crew have to hop out and deploy those anti-rollover jacks, if you have to fire your MGS Stryker with the turret at 90 degrees?

Not if the back door is chained shut, as was said to be the SOP for the crew of the Stryker that rolled over into an Iraqi canal, drowning the crewmen inside.

20 posted on 02/02/2006 1:49:59 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Lurker

That or a pair of miniguns. My PSG and I were talking about that very thing. And an ability to reload inside the vehicle would be nice. Oh well.


21 posted on 02/02/2006 4:00:17 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

.....was just about to ping you......


22 posted on 02/02/2006 4:01:13 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: archy

Here's a Hellfire turret for the Pandur, I believe.

The Bradly turret offers a two shot TOW missile plus the use of the main 30mm. The pic below is Steyr-Daimler-Puch Spezialfahrzeug GmbH Pandur II with a nice turret somewhat like the Bradley.


23 posted on 02/02/2006 9:44:14 PM PST by endthematrix (None dare call it ISLAMOFACISM!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; FreedomPoster; archy
If you read through the O&O for the different BCT they all are relying more and more on aviation assets to take the place of large caliber direct fire weapons in urban and open terrain. Nothing beat the ability the M551 had in Panama City to pop a 152mm HEAT round into the window with a sniper. Gets their attention real fast.
24 posted on 02/03/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: SLB
If you read through the O&O for the different BCT they all are relying more and more on aviation assets to take the place of large caliber direct fire weapons in urban and open terrain. Nothing beat the ability the M551 had in Panama City to pop a 152mm HEAT round into the window with a sniper. Gets their attention real fast.

That'd be great, if the M551 was still available to those clearing cities of snipers and other unfriendlies, particularly wire or laser-guided ones...which Noriega's *Dignity Battalions* did not have available, good thing for us. Given the current vehicles/launch systems available, an inexpensive unguided round for the TOW launcher with a HE or HESH warhead rather than a HEAT charge would seem to be the next best thing. You could even fire a M551 with the turret turned 90º to the side without recourse tooutriggers or engineer-prepared firing positions, though it wasn't the happiest experience in the world. I never saw it done with one of the Shillelagh missiles, however, and suspect that would have been a maintenance-intensive event.

During the closing days of the Second World War, 1944-'45, Patton's Third Army claimed the best tool for mopping up those urban areas that couldn't be bypassed as per Third Army SOP was the 155mm self-propelled howitzer, at that time most commonly found mounted on a Sherman tank chassis. 120mm mortars carried aboard Strykers seem an unlikely replacement for that role, though there are some Soltam and Tampella direct-fire mortars available just right for fitting on a wheeled transporter chassis.

Too, it might be possible to fit an M551 turret on a Bradley chassis as a fire support vehicle, but that wouldn't satisfy the transformational trackless tyrants. Of course, there's also the stretched M113 chassis the Finns have developed for the AMOS twin-mortar system...and there IS an *AMOS FIN* single-barrel variant mounted on an 8-wheeler.


25 posted on 02/03/2006 9:28:31 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Bump for later


26 posted on 02/03/2006 9:52:00 AM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: plustaticman
Welcome to Free Republic,sir.

May I add you to the Stryker ping list? Your comments would be highly valued.

27 posted on 02/03/2006 5:46:33 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Of course.


28 posted on 02/03/2006 11:55:05 PM PST by plustaticman
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

The ATGM was useful in Iraq. We used our TOWS to great effect on the enemy. My concern with the MGS variant is that it can't really self-secure like the ATGM can.

That said, if they put it into a hunter-killer team... well... the enemy are gonna be hating life.


29 posted on 02/03/2006 11:57:23 PM PST by plustaticman
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