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New Orleans 'risks extinction'
BBC ^ | 2 February 2006 | Helen Lambourne

Posted on 02/02/2006 10:08:40 AM PST by ncountylee

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To: SF Republican
"Finally San Francisco is built above sea level."

And if the big one DID take out SF, I'd say yes, maybe it's time we build elsewhere, ya know...
151 posted on 02/02/2006 2:15:42 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: bayourant

As to whats needed. First we got to figure out if certain Corp of Enginneer projects were part of the problem. I am esp thinking of whats called Mr Go in St BErnard Parish. This is controversal but there is evidence that it operated as a major funnel that brought the waters into St BErnard and Orleans Parish. Two true Coastal erosion reclaimation projects Coast wide. THree- IMprovement of the levee system, and 4 the Biggie. and potentially the most expensive and the most chaotic for Louisiana. Serious thought must be taken as to the course of this river. We all know that the river wants to follow a course similar to the atchaflya river. In fact we are prob one smart terroist attack on one area of the river of that happening. The key is to retain enough water in the now channel of the River for navigation and more importantly to prevent Salt water Infusion into the Parishes. However I am willing to think about the unthinkable and allowing the river to change course which would have the benifit of building up areas of the Coast. Of course whole towns and cities would have to be moved


152 posted on 02/02/2006 2:17:44 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Glenn

Thats what we are doing down here. The main concern is the levee system. Also if we dont get funds now for major restoration of the coast then by human nature the project will be forgotten untill the next trajedy hits


153 posted on 02/02/2006 2:20:54 PM PST by bayourant
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To: been_lurking

The problem again is that this not all "mother nature" its "mother nature" plus alot of man interference thats a part of it.


154 posted on 02/02/2006 2:22:35 PM PST by bayourant
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To: DesScorp

I cant believe you said that. The Mississippi river as to traffic is huge. People have no idea what traffic and the volume goes down with it. Also as to the surronding area the network of Pipe lines etc that get that oil to you and your gas pump is truley a wonder of the World. It would take years for instance for the Port of Baton Rouge to even build up to take up a portion of the slack if NOLA was gone


155 posted on 02/02/2006 2:27:09 PM PST by bayourant
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To: DesScorp

Glad to hear you are on board; it is odd, I live about 6 blocks from the beach about 60 ft above sea level; Sacramento is 100 miles inland at 11 ft above.


156 posted on 02/02/2006 2:32:53 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: DesScorp

The problem about building else where because of potential disaster is this. No where is safe. Case in point lets get off poor old San franscico. THere is a major fault line called the NEw Madrid fault. The last time it went off French Explorers recorded that the Mississippi River ran backwards for two days. Now it will go off again this not fantasy. IN fact it prob will go off in our lifetime/ Everyone knows it. However despite that building just proceeds its merry on way along the fault esp in Memphis. Now the big one hits and St LOuis and Memphis among hundreds are decimated. Shall we rebuid? Of course. The smae for San Franscisco and the surrounding areas. We just build better.


157 posted on 02/02/2006 2:45:40 PM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant
plus alot of man interference thats a part of it.

You completely missed my point. Whether or not man "interferes" or not, the Mississippi River will change course, the coastline will erode (or expand), glaciers will grow (or shrink), rainfall will increase (or end), temperatures will soar (or plummet).

Man cannot control Mother Nature. All we can do is "delay", "mitigate", or adapt.

Clearly you fall into the "delay" and/or "mitigate" crowd. That is simply because as a human being you have a very shortsighted view of things and you are conceited enough to think you can create somekind of meaningful impact. You can't. In the long run Mother Nature will win. You are only fighting a losing battle when you "delay" and "mitigate".

158 posted on 02/02/2006 2:52:53 PM PST by been_lurking
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To: GOPJ
[ Ummm, it's a city below sea level, that's sinking, in an active hurricane zone. And that's just for starters... ]

and run by democrats.. lose, lose, lose situation.. Its a miracle that it didn't happen long before now..

159 posted on 02/02/2006 2:53:43 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
If you're going to take federal money to rebuild, you better take our suggestions on how to avoid the same thing happening twice. You have no fundamental right to get your belongings insured for free by the government.
160 posted on 02/02/2006 3:06:32 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: been_lurking

ok lets be clear. The natural course of events is that the Coastline would not erode but in fact expand. There is no natural reason for it to erode. For instance if man had never set foot there in that area that the Coast would not be losing ground. Infact in many areas it would have expanded. Now going from that premisie it seems there fore since MOther Nature cant be controlled we can reverse the problems that man createed by its interference in the whole scheme of thing at least in part. Now your question about the Miss River is indeed quite good. IN fact as I pointed above we are one smart terrorist atttack at the right time to make alot of this discussion about River Diversion projects quite academic. I would consider if other projects would not work to allow ,under man's supervision of course, the River to return to a course that it more wnats to take. IN fact perhaps what we should do and maybe try to do it why we have some control. Of course its expensive


161 posted on 02/02/2006 3:09:21 PM PST by bayourant
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To: SF Republican

A legitimate opinion, then. I might disagree, but won't flame when it is put that way. New Orleans goes longer beteen flood than the San Francisco bay area goes between major earthquakes. The big difference is that corruption is much more blatant in New Orleans.


162 posted on 02/02/2006 3:11:21 PM PST by PAR35
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To: bayourant

Also for all this talk about Nature taking its course a few thoughts. The natural way of events is that the the Mississippi river should be overflowing its banks and changing course all over the place. This doesnt just occur in our happy State but in great areas of the country. The benifits being that new sediment replenishes once rich farmland. All those in MIssouri Arkansas Tenn etc that are for this please say yea.


163 posted on 02/02/2006 3:15:51 PM PST by bayourant
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To: PAR35

The Dem machine is dead in New Orleans never to return. For all this talk about how the Dems want to bring everyone back I thinks it false. There not coming back in huge numbers. Blanco and the Landrius know this there Dems but not stupid.


164 posted on 02/02/2006 3:18:39 PM PST by bayourant
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To: rahbert
Where will all the cute voodoo stores relocate to?

Those "cute" voodo stores did not exist 30 years ago. They have nothing to do with the real New Orleans. They are faux "culture" for gullible tourists ... operated by opporutnists who will go with the flow and the tourists ... and offer up whatever they think will sell ... wherever they think it will sell ... always to gullible tourists who are waiting to be fleeced. LOL

165 posted on 02/02/2006 3:34:27 PM PST by caryatid (Jolie Blonde, 'gardez donc, quoi t'as fait ...)
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To: caryatid

I know this whole voodoo thing is so funney. I mean the voodoo store in the quarter is a riot. I went to alegit voodoo store/ museum(at least it looked legit) on Rampart. Besides those two i can think of any more. I saw recently some article that said 20 percent of NOLA practiced voodoo for goodness sake. I would put that at prob .002 percent.


166 posted on 02/02/2006 3:38:55 PM PST by bayourant
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To: ncountylee
Mentions BBC TV program: Horizon: The Lost City of New Orleans

The BBC show "Horizon" is rebranded as "Nova" and shown on PBS. This episode will show up sooner or later.

167 posted on 02/02/2006 3:44:17 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: bayourant
Look, your governor just called another Special Session of the state leg that even the legislators are puzzled over. There is nothing going down in this session that could not be covered in regular session. Special Sessions cost $$$$$. Louisiana is addicted to spending money on nothing....even now.

As I told you last night on another thread - I want good things for Louisiana but demanding that we play nice with your state or Republicans won't be elected is a bit over the top. I was not impressed with Vitter or Jindal as Republicans immmediately after the hurricane anyway.

168 posted on 02/02/2006 4:18:59 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: bayourant
The Dem machine is dead in New Orleans never to return

I'll believe that when all of the Landrieus are gone and Orleans Parish has a republican DA.

169 posted on 02/02/2006 7:28:29 PM PST by PAR35
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To: hosepipe
...and run by democrats..

Whoa, I missed that one - and that one's more important than that the city's sinking... Thanks.

170 posted on 02/02/2006 7:46:25 PM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: CajunConservative
They are as soon as the elevation requirements are decided on. That is why homeowners are in limbo right now. Lower Cameron parish is being rebuilt totally different, that is if the locals don't throw FEMA to the gators.

I live in Florida - and know folks who will come help throw FEMA to the gators...

171 posted on 02/02/2006 7:52:03 PM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: ncountylee

Ok, 100 Billion and more is needed. It makes me want to dance.....


172 posted on 02/02/2006 7:53:31 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: bigeasy_70118
That is the general recommendation of those vested with the rebuilding process.

You're saying your part of the world is sane? Had to happen somewhere...

173 posted on 02/02/2006 7:56:29 PM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: ncountylee

"PAVE OUR LAKE"


174 posted on 02/02/2006 8:07:01 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: GOPJ
The gators are still pissed off at being carried out to the gulf. They are also really hungry too. They would have plenty to eat with all the redundant FEMA personnel floating around. ;)
175 posted on 02/02/2006 8:10:11 PM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: Buggman
New Orleans 'risks extinction'

And this is a problem because....

Because we need a major port at the base of the Mississippi to provide a transfer point between ocean-going and river-going traffic, or all those red states in the middle of the Union starve economically.

Perhaps so, but you don't have to have a City of New Orleans in order to have a Port of New Orleans....

If the Government were to have given $200,000 to each of those devastated by the hurricane to let them spend when, how, and where they wanted, do you really believe the residents of New Orleans would stay there and spend their money to rebuild Chocolateville??? Talk about "risking extinction" that would really do it. The free market would rule once again.

176 posted on 02/02/2006 8:21:45 PM PST by rundy
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To: ncountylee
New Orleans 'risks extinction'

Wishful thinking. At least on my part.

177 posted on 02/02/2006 8:23:02 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: dirtboy
They are more concerned with getting money to people who didn't have flood insurance than using tax dollars to fix critical problems along the coast

No, that would be Mississippi that is doing that.

178 posted on 02/02/2006 8:34:46 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: From One - Many

Just wondering if CNN blamed the tornadoes on W's environmental policies. It probably took five minutes.

TAKE CARE BIG EASY!!!


179 posted on 02/02/2006 8:45:53 PM PST by cleveland gop ("I'M NOT CTU"~~JACK BAUER)
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To: swain_forkbeard
It seems that the people most against helping New Orleans are those who know the least about it.

You can sure say that again.

180 posted on 02/02/2006 8:54:19 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: bayourant
I had a lot of Republican friends that supported Blanco for that reason because they felt we would have a ear in Baton Rouge.

Instaed, we have an ass in Baton Rouge

181 posted on 02/02/2006 9:02:11 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: bayourant
The ignorance of Freepers on Louisiana questions is again on display

Louisiana? Is that near Quebec? I can't stand people from Luxembourg.

182 posted on 02/02/2006 9:05:25 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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To: SF Republican
my point is building against nature is IMHO not too smart.

You live in San Francisco? What could be more building against nature than that?

183 posted on 02/02/2006 9:13:37 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: Porterville

lol luxemburg lol


184 posted on 02/02/2006 9:40:19 PM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant

World trip in one sentence.


185 posted on 02/02/2006 10:05:45 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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To: bayourant

I got a little charm that, I was told, would eliminate all
SW bugs from my desktop PC when placed on the monitor.

Now if if would only render code DO-178B compliant...


186 posted on 02/03/2006 5:09:20 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Saints fan

You live in San Francisco? What could be more building against nature than that?
We live on bedrock in our neighborhood. There are landfills around the bay, they are the ones where the ground shifts. We have neighbors that have been here 50 years, they said they felt only the 89 quake and it was very mild.


187 posted on 02/03/2006 8:07:00 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

That's great. I have lived in my house since the day I came home from the hospital as a baby. This was the first time in my 50 years did water get in my house. New Orleans , despite what people believe , does not flood every year. New Orleans is no more dangerous a place to live than San Francisco. Why do people on FR think this will happen again? Being below sea level had absolutly nothing to do with what happened in August. Poorly designed and built levees was responsible for the destruction of my city. The Army Corps of Engineers, witch designed and built them are responsible. I wish everyone in San Francisco the best and hope yall do the same for us.

Paul


188 posted on 02/03/2006 9:49:31 AM PST by Saints fan
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To: Saints fan
Nice note; my sister in law was the first in her family to move out of New Orleans in about 150 years; she was and is devastated at the loss of her heritage. Best of luck to you. Since it is Superbowl Weekend, have to tell you my favorite football story, you may appreciate. Russell Erexlabin (spelling?) had missed a game winning field goal for the Saints for like the 3-4th game in a row; said he went home, put a gun to his head, pulled the trigger and missed wide left!
189 posted on 02/03/2006 10:09:46 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican
AMEN!

...building against nature is not smart...

190 posted on 02/03/2006 11:43:15 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: SF Republican

LOL That's funny. I remember Russel Erxlabin, or however it's spelled. He was a first round pick of their's. He was supposed to be a punter too. He couldn't do either. He was another of a long, long list of bad draft picks by the Saints.


191 posted on 02/03/2006 10:05:30 PM PST by Saints fan
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To: bayourant
The ignorance of Freepers on Louisiana questions is again on display.

Lots of old, old social dynamics being displayed here.

Protestant vs. Catholic is one of the oldest. The Protestants hate the Catholics, not vice-versa. The more fundamentalist the Protestant, the greater the hatred.

English vs. French is another old, old one.

Bible Belt has always hated French Lousiana, going back to when both were colonies.

On the other hand, the type of people who settled South Louisiana aren't the kind to let their feelings get hurt by a bunch of Yankees.

192 posted on 02/05/2006 8:28:01 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: bayourant
The ignorance of Freepers on Louisiana questions is again on display.

It makes you sick to your stomach doesn't it?

193 posted on 02/05/2006 8:37:23 AM PST by Despot of the Delta ("Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience")
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To: bayourant
USC does not suck
 

Yes they do ;)

194 posted on 02/05/2006 8:58:09 AM PST by Despot of the Delta ("Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience")
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To: Despot of the Delta

I think it's easier for Protestants to empathize with their fellow Protestants. Wish it were not so but I truly believe that if you were able to look at it from a sociological/anthropological/historical basis it all goes back to ancient Protestant vs. Catholic.

Speaking of which, I've turned up speeches and letters from early American patriots that support the argument that in part the American Revolution was motivated by a fear that the British would legalize Catholicism in the American colonies, as they had just done in Canada.

And I've right here on Free Republic on several occasions rants about the Pope being the "Anti-Christ."


195 posted on 02/05/2006 8:58:23 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: SF Republican
how much did SF receive in subsidies and grants for the 1906 earthquake?
 

How much did they receive in 1989?

196 posted on 02/05/2006 9:02:31 AM PST by Despot of the Delta ("Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience")
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